United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[Rideski]

[MultiVerse]

And what good is a graphic that allocates 40% of excess to the highly descriptive category of "other" and claims

It comes from hospital and other types of consolidation deriving more revenue from owning the facilities etc. Industry consolidation makes it possible for hospital groups to jack up prices.

Billing rules allow hospitals to buy out physician offices and then charge double for the same services—just because they own the office too. Provider prices are the main driving force behind America's costly healthcare system:

"Policies like site-based payments created an incentive for hospital systems to acquire freestanding physician offices where they could immediately begin receiving higher reimbursements by simply labeling an off-campus facility as a hospital outpatient department (HOPD) without changing the care patients receive."
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"Providers are winning 75 percent of disputes in the new arbitration process for payment disagreements and receive payments three times the median in-network rates."

More here: https://www.niskanencenter.org/healt...thcare-supply/

[RTsucks]

More daring less rent seeking rich people? I want a jet ski that's also a jet fighter. Guess we've got different ideas about cool shit.

[MontuckyFried]

and it ain’t just McKinsey, management consultants are worthless corporate rot. If you see one, get a new job.

Geez, I hope I don't ever see those tools show up at my company. Thankfully I work for an Asian company and generally speaking, they don't seem to get sucked into all the usual nonsense quite like corporate America tends to. It's actually been quite a breath of fresh air, I gotta say.

[dunfree]

More daring less rent seeking rich people? I want a jet ski that's also a jet fighter. Guess we've got different ideas about cool shit.

why do you want a miniature ekranoplane?

[RTsucks]

It's all in the name. Beautiful.

[Cisco Kid]

[J. Barron DeJong]

It's all in the name. Beautiful.

Now I really want a minekranoplan.

[RTsucks]

Heilminenkranoplane

[JimmyCarter]

So if an ekranoplan is on a river that flows at the exact opposite speed as it…

[frorider]

https://www.fighthealthinsurance.com/

AI tool that generates your appeal when insurance authorization denied.

[MontuckyFried]

https://www.fighthealthinsurance.com/

AI tool that generates your appeal when insurance authorization denied.

Welp, what's good for the goose is good for the gander! Gotta fight fire with fire. Watch the AI-using health insurance dweebs be like "HeY! ThaT'S Not faiR! TheY can'T do THAT!"

[fomofo]

https://www.fighthealthinsurance.com/

AI tool that generates your appeal when insurance authorization denied.

Might you not be a little cautious (if not paranoid) about putting your info into yet another 3rd party database? I guess you could try and read their privacy policy very carefully, for whatever that's worth.

On another front Nancy Pelosi went to Germany to get her hip replacement. Doesn't that tell yo everything you need to know about the US healthcare system?

[bobz]

Then the media will then move on the next mass shooting or recent tragedy of sensation and the health industrial complex will continue to fuck over millions of people every year.

Yup. A pretty good hint is that, just a month ago, a narrow majority of Americans (no doubt including many who celebrate Luigi and what he stands for) voted for a man and his cabal that will work to give United Healthcare greater latitude for denying claims, while also steering people who would otherwise escape their clutches at age 65 back to being at their mercy via Medicare "Advantage" plans (which will suck even worse when they're no longer competing against actual Medicare).

And they voted for even more an even more rapacious corporate health insurance because... oh, look over here, price of eggs, it's what Real Americans in diners are talking about! But for the moment, they're going to get some whining about health insurance denying claims off their chest, before getting back to their stronger concerns about transgenders in youth sports.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

LOL the red hatter fox news addict up the street was one of those complaining about the price of eggs and just last week a brand new $15,000 enclosed snowmachine trailer showed up in his driveway.

[MontuckyFried]

Yup. A pretty good hint is that, just a month ago, a narrow majority of Americans (no doubt including many who celebrate Luigi and what he stands for) voted for a man and his cabal that will work to give United Healthcare greater latitude for denying claims, while also steering people who would otherwise escape their clutches at age 65 back to being at their mercy via Medicare "Advantage" plans (which will suck even worse when they're no longer competing against actual Medicare).

And they voted for even more an even more rapacious corporate health insurance because... oh, look over here, price of eggs, it's what Real Americans in diners are talking about! But for the moment, they're going to get some whining about health insurance denying claims off their chest, before getting back to their stronger concerns about transgenders in youth sports.

While that could very well be true, it's not like our absolute mess of a healthcare system has improved in any meaningful way over the last 4 years either. I know this crowd hates this argument, but when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry, the health insurance industry, and every layer in-between, it is VERY much a "both sides" problem, with lobbyists throwing all sorts of $$$ at both parties on all levels.

Additionally, I've seen some recent estimates that administrative costs alone can account for up to 40% of hospital expenses. I know healthcare's a seriously complex subject, but THAT needs to be dealt with in a very serious way. It's insane what we put up with in this country. It's something everybody seems to acknowledge at least, with many trying to help address, but has literally only made things much, much worse.

Remember when the ACA was intended to streamline administrative processes? Credit where credit's due, it was a good intention, but here we are. Worse than ever before on that front.

[The SnowShow]

LOL the red hatter fox news addict up the street was one of those complaining about the price of eggs and just last week a brand new $15,000 enclosed snowmachine trailer showed up in his driveway.

Of course. It’s always the assholes with thousands of dollars of lawn decorations, driving around in 5mpg campers or XXL pickups who complain the loudest about Bidenomics. Fuck em. Maybe he’ll get polio.

[J. Barron DeJong]

While that could very well be true, it's not like our absolute mess of a healthcare system has improved in any meaningful way over the last 4 years either. I know this crowd hates this argument, but when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry, the health insurance industry, and every layer in-between, it is VERY much a "both sides" problem, with lobbyists throwing all sorts of $$$ at both parties on all levels.

Additionally, I've seen some recent estimates that administrative costs alone can account for up to 40% of hospital expenses. I know healthcare's a seriously complex subject, but THAT needs to be dealt with in a very serious way. It's insane what we put up with in this country. It's something everybody seems to acknowledge at least, with many trying to help address, but has literally only made things much, much worse.

Remember when the ACA was intended to streamline administrative processes? Credit where credit's due, it was a good intention, but here we are. Worse than ever before on that front.

Any analysis needs to contend with the fact that Dems only had 50 senators, two of which were Manchin and Senima who have left the party. Need 60 to get past a filibuster on most bills.

Medicare being able to negotiate drug prices is a big deal, and is just getting going. He did also significantly expand Medicaid coverage, though that’s likely to get rolled back some.

[fomofo]

I am confident Woody, and Pete, and Bob would all agree, that's on point, and pretty damn good to boot!

This? Jesus F'N Christ!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/o...-mangione.html

Wow! Wowee Wow Wow Wow!!

[jono]

As ^^^ reminds us...

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...a critical fact about that 6% is that UnitedHealthcare is the insurer, while UnitedHealthgroup is their more profitable parent. The parent gets the profits from the insurer, but more importantly, also from all the insurer's sister companies.

The sisters exist to soak up revenue from the insurer, who contracts "services" from them (like claim rejections) so the insurer can expense some revenue and keep their margins below ACA limits. Sisters hire "doctors" (like the ones Luigi got pissed at, not actual providers of patient services) to reject claims and rubber stamp nonsensical letters about it.

But not to worry, the parent's CEO is going to hire some AI bots to help make sure you can understand why you should spend your last days with your family instead of killing CEOs.

[coldfeet]

Castro was born into a landowning family and married into an even wealthier family who went on to produce American congressmen. Che's father was a successful doctor. Marx, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Allende, Mossadegh all came from comfortable or rich families. The famines and starvation they produced after taking control show well educated rich revolutionaries violently oppose the actual working peasants they claim to champion

I don't respond to most of your provocations, but I made quite a few trips to Chile, including working with people who had had to flee Pinochet's military government and spent years in exile. Allende was unlike the others you name (except Mossadegh) - Allende was a democratically elected president who happened to be a socialist, not a revolutionary, and was murdered by his own country's armed forces in a coup. You should back off dancing on his grave and shut the hell up about things of which you only have a shallow understanding. If you want to discuss that bored rich kids murdering CEOs on the street is bad, armies staging coups against elected presidents is REALLY REALLY BAD. Even if it were certain US presidents I don't like, it would be really super awful bad.

[Trackhead]

LOL the red hatter fox news addict up the street was one of those complaining about the price of eggs and just last week a brand new $15,000 enclosed snowmachine trailer showed up in his driveway.

American culture of debt/spending on material possessions certainly is a bipartisan phenomenon. Anyone with eyes can see that.

[MultiVerse]

I don't respond to most of your provocations, but I made quite a few trips to Chile, including working with people who had had to flee Pinochet's military government and spent years in exile. Allende was unlike the others you name (except Mossadegh) - Allende was a democratically elected president who happened to be a socialist, not a revolutionary, and was murdered by his own country's armed forces in a coup. You should back off dancing on his grave and shut the hell up about things of which you only have a shallow understanding. If you want to discuss that bored rich kids murdering CEOs on the street is bad, armies staging coups against elected presidents is REALLY REALLY BAD. Even if it were certain US presidents I don't like, it would be really super awful bad.

Right, that's why Political murder is bad. How is that not obvious? Allende, who committed suicide and was not murdered, and like Hugo Chavez was elected—but after his narrow victory joined forces with more radical communists and ruled like a dictator. Including engaging in political violence. Allenda's actions caused a constitutional crisis culminating in the Pinochet coup and all the horrors that ensued. Neither Allende nor Pinochet were liberal democrats.

The point being, there is no way to normalize violence against the type of people you don't like without also, effectively, normalizing violence against everybody else. Violent psychopathy justified by class violence, led by wealthy Marxists, leads to even greater acts of violence, in turn triggering calls for even more violence. Marxists have reshaped Allende's legacy as a folk hero and a democrat. He was neither. Pinochet was a disgusting Fascist and Allende was a brutal Cuban-style communist

[waxman]

Mass shooting of a grade school/ shopping mall/ post office is not so popular but offing an executive doesnt really get lot of pushback, it wouldn't suprise me if we see the disgruntled shooter hitting corporate targets not just health CEO'si

Term Limits a novel by Vince Flynn proceeds along these lines nicely with politicians and others thrown in the mix. It may have been made into a movie too.

[byates1]

Call me a reasoned sadist but I'd rather see heads of rapey corporations gunned down than kids at school