2024-2025 NBA thread: who wants to buy a Duck Boat?!?!

**Danno** · 07-01-2024, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by cinnepa

PG was the best option for the 6ers...hopefully stays healthy enough. Much better than tobias as well. Good 3rd option behind embiid/maxey

he's an upgraded Tobias Harris.

**Danno** · 07-01-2024, 10:42 AM

Lest you were all worried about Tobias, not to fear, he's found a great landing spot with the *checks notes* Detroit Pistons! Bobmc is gonna love him!

**Self Jupiter** · 07-01-2024, 10:49 AM

Derrick White signs 4 year $125M extension with the Celtics. Brad Stevens’ heater continues

**riser4** · 07-01-2024, 10:51 AM

Dayum!

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 07-01-2024, 12:04 PM

And... Grousbeck is looking to sell his majority stake in the Celtics. I'm guessing he doesn't have the cash to play the tax bill, and figures now would be a time to cash in.

**teleee** · 07-01-2024, 12:28 PM

Think the Dubs are regretting not trading Klay yet?

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**DBdude** · 07-01-2024, 12:37 PM

who wants Klay?

**teleee** · 07-01-2024, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by DBdude

who wants Klay?

My bet is the Lakers.

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**The Reverend Floater** · 07-01-2024, 12:56 PM

Apparently Dallas.

**TahoeJ** · 07-01-2024, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by teleee

Think the Dubs are regretting not trading Klay yet?

He was a free agent, so not sure what you mean.

Oof, turns down 2 / 48 extension last year from the Dubs and then signs for 3 / 50. Sucks to see him go but I’m not sure that contract is going to age well by the time he’s 37/38. The Warriors couldn’t just run it back after being a play-in team last year.

**Danno** · 07-01-2024, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

He was a free agent, so not sure what you mean.

I assume he meant trading him at the deadline vs seeing him walk for nothing?

**TahoeJ** · 07-01-2024, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I assume he meant trading him at the deadline vs seeing him walk for nothing?

They were on a pretty good run the second half of last season so that wasn’t even a thing being discussed at the time.

Also: the second apron is real. It’s about more than just money.

**DBdude** · 07-01-2024, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

He was a free agent, so not sure what you mean.

Oof, turns down 2 / 48 extension last year from the Dubs and then signs for 3 / 50. Sucks to see him go but I’m not sure that contract is going to age well by the time he’s 37/38. The Warriors couldn’t just run it back after being a play-in team last year.

i must be bad luck for Klay because when I watched him play he wasn't that great

**teleee** · 07-01-2024, 01:42 PM

Never mind Klay to the Mavs. And yea I was referring to last year when they could have got some value for Klay. He’s leaving pissed off regardless- why wouldn’t they have traded him?

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**Danno** · 07-01-2024, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

They were on a pretty good run the second half of last season so that wasn’t even a thing being discussed at the time.

Well, maybe it wasn't discussed by GSW internally at the time, but his name as a possible trade candidate has been discussed by pundits for the last year or two (since everyone knew he wanted an extension and they didn't want to pay him). And they had a losing record in Jan/Feb leading up to the trade deadline, what "pretty good run" are you talking about?

**TahoeJ** · 07-01-2024, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by teleee

Never mind Klay to the Mavs. And yea I was referring to last year when they could have got some value for Klay. He’s leaving pissed off regardless- why wouldn’t they have traded him?

Because they wanted to stay under the second apron this year and salaries in trades have to match. Pretty simple. That’s why they had no problem hard capping themselves this off season.

Some of you guys really need to brush up on the new CBA terms.

**cinnepa** · 07-02-2024, 07:58 AM

funny, mavs odds of winning it all didn't change with the klay pickup

**TahoeJ** · 07-02-2024, 08:06 AM

I do have to say I think offensively Klay is a great fit for what Dallas needs, but his diminishing defensive skills along with Luka and Kyrie is a major concern. They’re going to have to win some high scoring games.

Not always, but most of the time defense wins championships.

Denver losing KCP is going to hurt. If you’re a Denver fan you’re not happy about the new CBA kicking in right as you finally win it all - in the past they likely wouldn’t have lost all three of those guys, maybe just one. Definitely missed Brown last season.

**BmillsSkier** · 07-02-2024, 08:09 AM

Donovan Mitchell signs a max extension with Cleveland. Stephen A must be apoplectic right now.

Will someone smarter than me at the NBA trade machine explain how Klay signing as a free agent somehow sends two 2nd rounders back to Golden State?

**Danno** · 07-02-2024, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Donovan Mitchell signs a max extension with Cleveland. Stephen A must be apoplectic right now.

Will someone smarter than me at the NBA trade machine explain how Klay signing as a free agent somehow sends two 2nd rounders back to Golden State?

Klay didn't sign as a free agent, it was a sign and trade deal.

and the Knicks gave up on getting Mitchell when they traded for Bridges.

**BmillsSkier** · 07-02-2024, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Klay didn't sign as a free agent, it was a sign and trade deal.

Thanks, the blurb I read made that less than clear.

Originally Posted by Danno

and the Knicks gave up on getting Mitchell when they traded for Bridges.

Someone forgot to mention that to Stephen judging from the 30 seconds of elevator time I see him each morning.

**TahoeJ** · 07-02-2024, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Klay didn't sign as a free agent, it was a sign and trade deal.

and the Knicks gave up on getting Mitchell when they traded for Bridges.

And the key being Golden State got an MLE that won’t count against the cap. They were desperate to shed money for obvious reasons- keep shaking my head at these posts saying they let Klay and CP3 go for nothing. CP3 was a gift from Washington to get out of Poole’s contract.

I’d be stunned if we ever see a team go over the second apron twice in four years unless some team like the Celtics are going for a three peat or something. It’s just too punative and screws up your franchise for years once the dust settles. Nevermind the insane tax bill.

**riser4** · 07-02-2024, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

And the key being Golden State got an MLE that won’t count against the cap. They were desperate to shed money for obvious reasons- keep shaking my head at these posts saying they let Klay and CP3 go for nothing. CP3 was a gift from Washington to get out of Poole’s contract.

I’d be stunned if we ever see a team go over the second apron twice in four years unless some team like the Celtics are going for a three peat or something. It’s just too punative and screws up your franchise for years once the dust settles. Nevermind the insane tax bill.

Let's get a repeat before we talk about a three-peat. M'kay?

**Brock Landers** · 07-06-2024, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

It’s just too punative and screws up your franchise for years once the dust settles. Nevermind the insane tax bill.

Agree it’s insane how the tax accelerates and gets huuuggee. How does it screw up the franchise though, aside from paying the tax (and obviously the contracts). There isn’t a hard cap, not gutting a farm system like in baseball. If the owner is willing to bite the bullet and pay…seems good for the franchise?

**TahoeJ** · 07-06-2024, 08:04 AM

It messes with your future draft picks, freezing ability to trade some of them, moving them to the back of each round. That's a very big deal.

But even going into the second apron just once forces you to only be able to trade players on an exact salary match (which is almost impossible) and you can't even combine players in a trade to make the salaries work. And no cash padding allowed. Also, no trade level exceptions or MLE.

It's brutal.