Wildfire ‘24

[Meadow Skipper]

We're currently breathing the smoke from that blowout.

This video is pretty wild- https://www.instagram.com/p/C-WYU0Hs45M/

It's surprising to me that they had a 16 blade wide dozer line and let the head of the fire burn all the way up to it. Why not burn it off?

That thing is rippin’. I wonder too why they didn’t light it off.

Maybe they need to come up with a new term, then. Mandatory sure sounds like you must go.

Can’t say I disagree with you.

[The AD]

Peace officers will enforce orders here if minors are involved, but they won’t otherwise force property owners to leave. They will set up roadblocks and the like and prevent access into the zone. Once out, you can’t get back in unless authorized.

I suppose that's a pretty reasonable approach.

[Meadow Skipper]

^ That’s how it pretty much goes in the states.

[BCMtnHound]

I suppose that's a pretty reasonable approach.

We also provide an info pamphlet and ask a few questions of the property defenders. Like name of their dentist - teeth tend to preserve better than tissue for Id purposes. Reactions to that can be very interesting.

[skaredshtles]

We also provide an info pamphlet and ask a few questions of the property defenders. Like name of their dentist - teeth tend to preserve better than tissue for Id purposes. Reactions to that can be very interesting.

That's a brutal (and probably effective) way of getting some to heed the evacuation orders...

[Norseman]

We also provide an info pamphlet and ask a few questions of the property defenders. Like name of their dentist - teeth tend to preserve better than tissue for Id purposes. Reactions to that can be very interesting.

Love this.

[Meadow Skipper]

We also provide an info pamphlet and ask a few questions of the property defenders. Like name of their dentist - teeth tend to preserve better than tissue for Id purposes. Reactions to that can be very interesting.

That’s cool!

[John_B]

A decent amount of the folks still in Stehekin are involved with feeding folks at fire camp that is at the Stehekin Valley Ranch.

Stehekin has been through this before in 2006, 2010 and 2015. After a few rounds of fire and evacuations I'm sure people begin to develop their own evacuation criteria beyond the standard 3 levels. I know I have.

[plugboots]

A decent amount of the folks still in Stehekin are involved with feeding folks at fire camp that is at the Stehekin Valley Ranch.

Stehekin has been through this before in 2006, 2010 and 2015. After a few rounds of fire and evacuations I'm sure people begin to develop their own evacuation criteria beyond the standard 3 levels. I know I have.

I came to post a version of this. The folks that stayed feel obligated to feed, help, lodge, etc. the firefighters that are there. Also it’s on the water and they have boats. It’s a different situation than most.

[neufox47]

Crozier fire by us just went from 0 to 571 acres in one day. Watched the smoke plume out of my window and at one point the top of it got high enough to turn white. I should have taken a picture.

It’s burning right between the Mosquito and Caldor fires, but that’s a lot of territory to run.


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[heckacali]

1200 acres now

[frorider]

Nice air in SLT but the AQI map’s looking nasty for north lake…

[bodywhomper]

Stinging eyes today. 4am wake up to close up the house. My kid was out late last night on a nearby mountain top and watched the smoke roll in.

[mcski]

Definitely noticed it get thicker last night in TC and seemed to get worse during the night. AQI isn’t egregious at the lake but enough to make me procrastinate outside activities

[The AD]

A decent amount of the folks still in Stehekin are involved with feeding folks at fire camp that is at the Stehekin Valley Ranch.

Stehekin has been through this before in 2006, 2010 and 2015. After a few rounds of fire and evacuations I'm sure people begin to develop their own evacuation criteria beyond the standard 3 levels. I know I have.

Thanks for this. Good to know. Definitely easy to armchair QB this I realize.

[frorider]

Re: Crozier — https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ed/ar-AA1otbho

Arghh.

[skaredshtles]

Our local fire (Quarry Fire) was 100% contained as of some time yesterday. Just a bit of good news to share in this thread...

[TBS]

Vibes to the NorCal mags. Arsonists suck.

Question on the Park fire. I read somewhere that most of the fire is on private land. Aerial photos show a lot of clearcut patches. Is this burning on Sierra Pacific plantations?

[TBS]

Closer to home, we are surrounded by wildfire. AQI approximates that of a Chinese tire factory.



Crews are so thin here now that everything in that picture west of highway 97 (except Elk Lane) is being managed by one IC.

At least the Ore fire is burning between two recent fire scars so not a lot of room to burn (as long as the wind doesn’t shift 180*

[claymond]

Yeah a lot of the land the Park fire is burning is SPI.

Regarding why they didn't burn off the dozer lines, here's the reasons I see and saw:
The Park fire is being managed by 2 CalFire Incident Management Teams.
CalFire is much more hesitant to conduct large scale burnouts than feds are. They are much more willing to let a fire bump (or slam) a line and then pick up the pieces. They'll blow a massive dozer line out, put tons of resources on it, dice up the ground behind it with dozers, then if and when it spots over, flood it with resources. That's one reason you see people hunkering in vehicles as crown fire hits a line, the plan is for them to stay in there and catch it, then the fire is more intense than hoped for, that plan clearly isnt going to work, and people have nowhere better to go. A lot of burnouts happened on the park fire, but there's a lot of hoops to jump through, hesitancy, and waiting for multiple high level people to give the ok.

[Meadow Skipper]

^ That’s a fascinating insight (to me, long-time fed, retired) to the ‘cultural’ differences between fed and CalFire. Years ago (‘87) I got assigned to a CalFire IMT to run air ops (AOBD) on a Nat’l Forest fire in CA. The differences in the way I (and the NF) looked at things vs. the CalFire team made it really interesting, and a bit challenging sometimes.

[Meadow Skipper]

I’ve become kind of addicted to watching the air shows on Watch Duty. I’d say the Crozier fire near Pollock Pines CA is the big priority. There have been as many as six (!) air tankers, 9 helicopters, a lead plane, and air attack plane working on it today. That’s one intense air show.

On the Park Fire (CA) the air show hasn’t been focused on the head of that blowout at all - helicopters have been working the NW flank pretty intensely. That tells me that the towns of Mill Creek and Mineral might be fairly secure right now.

[Kevo]

Yeah a lot of the land the Park fire is burning is SPI.

Regarding why they didn't burn off the dozer lines, here's the reasons I see and saw:
The Park fire is being managed by 2 CalFire Incident Management Teams.
CalFire is much more hesitant to conduct large scale burnouts than feds are. They are much more willing to let a fire bump (or slam) a line and then pick up the pieces. They'll blow a massive dozer line out, put tons of resources on it, dice up the ground behind it with dozers, then if and when it spots over, flood it with resources. That's one reason you see people hunkering in vehicles as crown fire hits a line, the plan is for them to stay in there and catch it, then the fire is more intense than hoped for, that plan clearly isnt going to work, and people have nowhere better to go. A lot of burnouts happened on the park fire, but there's a lot of hoops to jump through, hesitancy, and waiting for multiple high level people to give the ok.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I read somewhere that Calfire IMTs are generally accustomed to working in lighter fuel types that the heavy timber of the Park Fire. In manzanita a thick dozer line will generally hold as the head comes up against the line. In heavy timber, not so much.

[TBS]

@MeadowSkipper - Do you need a premium subscription to see “air show” video?
I see webcams on the map, but no setting to see video. What am I missing?

[heckacali]

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