Recco Rescue System?

[iceman]

Does anyone know about this?
Does anyone have it?
Does it work?
How much does it cost?
Tech talk, bitch?

[phUnk]

More popular in Euro resorts. Uses different receivers than pieps do, I believe. What happens if your buddy (truth?) gets slid in an avie and you don't? You gonna use your little Recco wafer as a probe to find him?

Smacks of "false sense of security," says this cynic.

[nightpanda]

Originally posted by iceman
Does anyone know about this?
Does anyone have it?
Does it work?
How much does it cost?
Tech talk, bitch?

yes
yes
yes
$24.95
http://www.reccona.com/
yes
phunk has some good points there, it is on the small dinky piece of metal side so when I went out in bc I just used a different reciever, it is only 25 bucks though so its kinda hard to go wrong

[Ripzalot]

They use it to find bodies. That's about it. Seriously, it's just a chip imbedded in your jacket. It requires the patrol to come out with a big radar thingie to find you. It won't save your life. Unless you get in an avalanche right next to the patrol shack.

[Mountainman]

Ya. Seems like they would only be good close to a patrol shack. My boots have them and they put them in our work coats.

[Spamhelmet]

yup.
what ripzalot said.

recco "chip" is a small metal foil piece plastered to your pants or some other object that you dont loose (well, propably..) in an avalance.
it´s passive and the system recuires a "active" transmitter/reciever unit,
thats about pigsized,pigweighting unit. so it practilally "bings" the reflector
and aquires your position that way.

benefits of this system is that you can plaster theese reflectors to,lets say, rental boots. and when günther the gaper skis after your track and gets into an avalanche, there is at least some marginal chance to find him before the spring..
and other benefit is that in many parts of the alps (swizerland,frace,austria)
the recco has been attached to helicopters too. so a low flying helicopter
can try to pick up a initial signal if they are called upon a large avalanche,
where the might be some victims. it MAYBE can reduce the search time by few minutes.

the downsize of the system is that the portable units are very large and cumbersome, they are not that widely used, and well. its more of a curiosity.
just some places in the alps and sweden/norway use them.

but, having a reflector sewn up in your panthyhose doesnt weight that much,
so there no harm in having one.

unless you decide to take a leap of faith into some scechy slope thinking,
"now i have two avalanch blingbling systems..."

[Xover]

Ice,

It comes in most high end jackets now.
Cheap alternative to a beacon; however as others have indicated - unless Patrol is right there it most always means a body recovery as oppose to a rescue.

Alta has had it the last two years among other "top" resorts.

When I did all my AV training (up to Level III) they told us that if it is snowing over 1"/hr you might want to seriously think about wearing your transceiver and really practice the buddy system.

There are at least a half dozen days a year where I get reminded mildly that this is a good practice to get into. Better to always be safe on those days than get into that ONE time when the numbers catch up to you.

[iceman]

Thanks. I saw a sign at Solitude that they have it, and then I saw an ad for a jacket that had it built in. I was just wondering what the deal was.

[phUnk]

The Recco system is the method by which the government, which as we all know, controls the weather, tracks Iceman in order to maintain proper precipitation in particular areas.

[subtle plague]

Originally posted by phUnk
The Recco system is the method by which the government, which as we all know, controls the weather, tracks Iceman in order to maintain proper precipitation in particular areas.

Its not the gouvernment, ITS THEM ! THEY control everything.

[BakerBoy]

I don't understand how people can pick and choose the days they do or don't wear their transceiver. I mean, if its snowing or there is any new snow, why not wear it? I can't even tell I have mine on.

My buddies Session clothing has the Recco stuff sewn in on it, and the Mt. Baker patrol has a Recco receiver thingy somewhere.

[meatdrink9]

Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

[Mountainman]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

i thought i remember hearing last year somebody had this or was developing this...

[Alkasquawlik]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

But, but, but,......could I still keep my 10 foot long neon green ribbons.

[Xover]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

Orotovox has had this for years; called the "mouse"

[iceman]

Plus I don't think they'd want to put this Recco thing on skis in case you got buried and your ski was separated from you. They'd be digging up your skis while you stayed buried.

[Schmear]

Not to be confused with the Ronco [Hair] Rescue System.

http://store.ronco.com/includes/images/glh200x224.jpg

http://store.ronco.com/shop/glh/

[phUnk]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

They could find them just as easily with a metal detector. No need for Recco wafers.

[Spamhelmet]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Screw putting it in clothing. If they can put a light on a ski or attach bullet shells or studs, why not integrate the chip into a ski or binding and they'll be no more lost skis in deep snow. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people spend a whole day digging (in killer ski conditions) and end-up with nothing.

well....ermm...and what happens when mr.meatdrink gets caught in an avalanche, his two skis depart from rest of his carcass, and the cavalry arrives, just in time to find a blue noodle with a robot drawning, with no passanger aboard?

erm. you loose minutes.
maybe.

[iceman]

Oh wow, deja vu.

[Spamhelmet]

ohdammit.

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[meatdrink9]

But what if I've got a transceiver on my person and the recco thing on my boards? It sounds like anybody who has any desire to be found alive wouldn't bother with recco for anything more.

Just an idea. The metal detector is probably the best idea, but obviously there are times when the metal detector wouldn't be present (last year at the Valhallas) and something like this could save a ski.

I don't think you would ever consider just using one sysytem for each aspect of your gear, but if you used both it would make a lot of sense.

[phUnk]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
But what if I've got a transceiver on my person and the recco thing on my boards? It sounds like anybody who has any desire to be found alive wouldn't bother with recco for anything more.

Just an idea. The metal detector is probably the best idea, but obviously there are times when the metal detector wouldn't be present (last year at the Valhallas) and something like this could save a ski.

I don't think you would ever consider just using one sysytem for each aspect of your gear, but if you used both it would make a lot of sense.

Recco doesn't work with avie pieps. They use an entirely different system.

[splat]

Originally posted by Ripzalot
They use it to find bodies. That's about it. Seriously, it's just a chip imbedded in your jacket. It requires the patrol to come out with a big radar thingie to find you. It won't save your life. Unless you get in an avalanche right next to the patrol shack.

Totally agree. It's a body recovery system. Won't be anyone remotely close to most avies with one of those humungous units they use to find a signal. Any idiot that thinks they might actually be saved with a Recco is banking on a one-in-a-billion chance.

[Greydon Clark]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
But what if I've got a transceiver on my person and the recco thing on my boards? It sounds like anybody who has any desire to be found alive wouldn't bother with recco for anything more.

Just an idea. The metal detector is probably the best idea, but obviously there are times when the metal detector wouldn't be present (last year at the Valhallas) and something like this could save a ski.

I don't think you would ever consider just using one sysytem for each aspect of your gear, but if you used both it would make a lot of sense.

Turn your binders up to manly, from girl-manly. Sloves your pre-ejecto problem, eh.

Also, beacons and the Recco are for rich kids, I do all my BC with 30 feet of rope trailing behind me.