50 years to the day

[Bunion 2020]

Mohammad-Javad Larijani, adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, warned the U.S. president that a small Iranian drone could target and strike the president, as reported by London-based outlet Iran International. Larijani's remarks, even if intended as a joke, add to speculation over possible retaliation by the Islamic Republic against the U.S. for its attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities in June.

Fair is fair, right?

[californiagrown]

Fair is fair, right?

The box is wide open and its all fair game now. FPV drone trucks changed the game and we can no longer rely on our comparative geographic isolation and vastly superior fire power to protect ourselved domestically. Scary times ahead.

[MultiVerse]

I can't thin k of better spokesman for the Iranian regime than Bunion and californiagrown. Sadly, no matter how much you debase yourselves & grovel at their feet the Mullahs will still hate you

[californiagrown]

I can't thin k of better spokesman for the Iranian regime than Bunion and californiagrown. Sadly, no matter how much you debase yourselves & grovel at their feet the Mullahs will still hate you

The best spokesman for the Ayatollah you can think of is a guy who loudly cheered the bombing of iran's nuclear facilities, and refers to hamas in scathing terms? You must not be thinking very hard. par for the course though, eh?

[MultiVerse]

No, you're not thinking at all. Your entire premise is really really dumb. To recap, your premise is that Iranian retaliation is justified "Fair is fair, right? " i.e. that this is new and unprecedented which willfully ignores all the Iranian cold-blooded murder, torture, rape, abduction, hostage taking, terror & tyranny that came before

[Bunion 2020]

MV said,

I cant think

No shit, I already knew that.

Fuck you.

[MultiVerse]

Fellas, fellas, in free countries when you have a disagreement with a leader you have what's called an election You don't cheer on his assassination. It doesn't work that way with the Islamic Republic. For Iran it means free people supporting Iranians who want meaningful elections, not assigning moral equivalency to their oppressors.

[Bunion 2020]

FOAD

[MultiVerse]

LOL: Rackin’ Frackin’ Cockin’ Ballsackin’ my name is Bunion I play shuffleboard... get off my lawn

[Trackhead]

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Probably a waste of time but. It IS possible to not support Israel and it&#39;s actions while feeling bad for the Palestinians and detesting Hamas. But keep right on putting people in neat little boxes.

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This is standard operating procedure on literally every political thread on TGR.&nbsp; No middle ground, either full LIBTARD OR FULL MAGA.&nbsp; Nothing in the middle.&nbsp; No critical thinking.&nbsp; None.</p>

[summit]

If Trump keeled over from a natural stroke, I'd have to consider the awfulness of having JDV as POTUS vs the benefits of not having the orange narcissist in power. It might be a wash.

But if Iran made Trump a martyr, I would put that solidly in the "bad" category. And that is even before you consider the possibility that that might result in us invading. Remember Iraq 2003 had a decent chunk of animus from GWB being pissed at Saddam for trying to assasinate his daddy GHB.

And on that note Iran ALREADY tried to have Trump killed. Their operatives failed. And the Ayatollah thinks Trump stopped the Izzies from hitting Khamenei's bunker. And he knows we could have hit the bunker ourselves.

[JimmyCarter]

If Trump keeled over from a natural stroke, I'd have to consider the awfulness of having JDV as POTUS vs the benefits of not having the orange narcissist in power. It might be a wash.

But if Iran made Trump a martyr, I would put that solidly in the "bad" category. And that is even before you consider the possibility that that might result in us invading. Remember Iraq 2003 had a decent chunk of animus from GWB being pissed at Saddam for trying to assasinate his daddy GHB.

And on that note Iran ALREADY tried to have Trump killed. Their operatives failed. And the Ayatollah thinks Trump stopped the Izzies from hitting Khamenei's bunker. And he knows we could have hit the bunker ourselves.

Israel is going to need a war with Iran.
Their global influence network is aging out and younger generations around the world no longer see them as an ally or people worth supporting.

They need to get as much accomplished while Trump is in office as they can. Hell it wouldn’t surprise me all that much if they managed to asassinate Trump and framed the Iranians just to get us to go in there and kill a bunch of people.

[MultiVerse]

Nah, Jimmy you're wrong. Trump will pass and so will Free Palestine from the River to Sea. People, especially young people, will wake up and decide they don't want to live under or support a third world regime. This is both peak Trump and peak Palestine. The sales pitch for cosplaying as revolutionaries in symbolic participation with Hamas pogroms just isn't sustainable when Israel is normalizing relations with Arab countries and Iran is exposed as a paper tiger

[Bunion 2020]

This is standard operating procedure on literally every political thread on TGR

This cannot be a political thread, its in PR.

[californiagrown]

If Trump keeled over from a natural stroke, I&#39;d have to consider the awfulness of having JDV as POTUS vs the benefits of not having the orange narcissist in power. It might be a wash. But if Iran made Trump a martyr, I would put that solidly in the &quot;bad&quot; category. And that is even before you consider the possibility that that might result in us invading. Remember Iraq 2003 had a decent chunk of animus from GWB being pissed at Saddam for trying to assasinate his daddy GHB. And on that note Iran ALREADY tried to have Trump killed. Their operatives failed. And the Ayatollah thinks Trump stopped the Izzies from hitting Khamenei&#39;s bunker. And he knows we could have hit the bunker ourselves.

Personally, i think that JD is just playing maga as he saw his opportunity and took it. He and his wife are no dummies and i think they both are fully using thiel/maga/trump to achieve their american dream. I don&#39;t think he is nearly as extreme as he has appeared over the last few years as he had had to pander to the maga bloodlust. purely a guess and gut feeling on that though... i just have a hard time believing such a sober, even keeled person (married to another brilliant sober person) could actually spiral down a rabbithole as far as it appears in just a few short years.

RE: Khameni&#39;s bunker. How do we know that the bunker was reachable? waaaaaaay fucking easier to build a bunker 500&#39; down for a handful of people than it is to build an industrial scale nuclear facility 200&#39; down. Honest question, do we actually know his bunker situation, or are we just going on trumps word here? FWIW, the iranian plot to kill trump was intended to happen during his candidacy, not while he was president. There is a big difference there.

I dont think that an invasion of Iran would happen, even if an assisination of turmp could be loosly tied back to iran. I think that would result in aerial bombardment and regime change efforts though. More likely is that iran goes tit-for-tat and engages in infrastructure attacks in america... remember a few years ago when a series of drunk rednecks mag-dumped on substations and shut down power for hundreds of thousands? It&#39;d be fairly easy to sabatoge the HetchHetchy water pipes feeding 2 million people, or fuck with water resevoirs, etc. I think that is a more likely attack from iran, IMO.

Personally, i think i would have preferred that the USA didnt publicize their B2s and bunkers buster mission and instead just stayed mum the whole time, and let the world think that Israel had that bunker buster tech and dropped the bombs. I like the whole Speak Softly But Carry a Big Stick approach, but we spoke REAL loudly on that too when it wasnt neccessary.

[JimmyCarter]

Nah, Jimmy you're wrong. Trump will pass and so will Free Palestine from the River to Sea. People, especially young people, will wake up and decide they don't want to live under or support a third world regime. This is both peak Trump and peak Palestine. The sales pitch for cosplaying as revolutionaries in symbolic participation with Hamas pogroms just isn't sustainable when Israel is normalizing relations with Arab countries and Iran is exposed as a paper tiger

I doubt it, as the support has been declining for years, this is just an acceleration

[MultiVerse]

Nah, it depends on the poll. You can cite polls showing more support for Palestinians and other people can cite polls showing more support for Israel. It waxes and wanes like it did in the past. Over time, when people step out of their respective bubbles you see that opinions about Israel are mostly ambivalent and Gaza is a low priority for normie voters

[S_jenks]

[emoji638]][emoji640][emoji639]][emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji638]]I doubt it, as the support has been declining for years, this is just an acceleration

It really does give the air of Israel trying to accomplish as much as they can before significant pushback finally occurs. Although I scratch my head a bit at where Bibi could even go next, without someone escalating things further…

[S_jenks]

Personally, i think that JD is just playing maga as he saw his opportunity and took it. He and his wife are no dummies and i think they both are fully using thiel/maga/trump to achieve their american dream. I don't think he is nearly as extreme as he has appeared over the last few years as he had had to pander to the maga bloodlust. purely a guess and gut feeling on that though... i just have a hard time believing such a sober, even keeled person (married to another brilliant sober person) could actually spiral down a rabbithole as far as it appears in just a few short years.

RE: Khameni's bunker. How do we know that the bunker was reachable? waaaaaaay fucking easier to build a bunker 500' down for a handful of people than it is to build an industrial scale nuclear facility 200' down. Honest question, do we actually know his bunker situation, or are we just going on trumps word here? FWIW, the iranian plot to kill trump was intended to happen during his candidacy, not while he was president. There is a big difference there.

I dont think that an invasion of Iran would happen, even if an assisination of turmp could be loosly tied back to iran. I think that would result in aerial bombardment and regime change efforts though. More likely is that iran goes tit-for-tat and engages in infrastructure attacks in america... remember a few years ago when a series of drunk rednecks mag-dumped on substations and shut down power for hundreds of thousands? It'd be fairly easy to sabatoge the HetchHetchy water pipes feeding 2 million people, or fuck with water resevoirs, etc. I think that is a more likely attack from iran, IMO.

Personally, i think i would have preferred that the USA didnt publicize their B2s and bunkers buster mission and instead just stayed mum the whole time, and let the world think that Israel had that bunker buster tech and dropped the bombs. I like the whole Speak Softly But Carry a Big Stick approach, but we spoke REAL loudly on that too when it wasnt neccessary.

And I very much agree with this take right now. No way the trump admin understands the weight behind Teddy’s old phrase, and has handled the PR for US involvement terribly.

And no sense for Iran to play any kind of symmetric war at this point. If they do anything, they are probably going to pull a page from the Ukrainian books and strike elsewhere with drones. Why strap a bomb vest to people nowadays when you can teach them to fly a drone-after-drone with an Xbox controller?

[highangle]

Couchfucker/Blood Daddy are nothing like as benign as you think, and they're using Trump/MAGA Culture to make America the ultimate trickle-down.

...There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today...

[MultiVerse]

And I very much agree with this take right now. No way the trump admin understands the weight behind Teddy’s old phrase, and has handled the PR for US involvement terribly.

And no sense for Iran to play any kind of symmetric war at this point. If they do anything, they are probably going to pull a page from the Ukrainian books and strike elsewhere with drones. Why strap a bomb vest to people nowadays when you can teach them to fly a drone-after-drone with an Xbox controller?

You guys do know Iranian drones are already routinely attacking a Western/European country, right? The entire framing of, uh oh, Iran is going to strike back entirely ignores the reality that Iran was already attacking Americans and American allies:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ar-2024-09-13/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/22/n...-alinejad.html

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/202...rushdie-attack

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...assassination/

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...-plot-00188498

[S_jenks]

Of course they are already using drones, and will continue to do so. But nothing so far has been measurable enough against the US to register on our national psyche.

[highangle]

I like how yall so ready to stand up for the power and authority of fearsome Iran. Its almost like it just takes datacenters and bots to make teenagers think anything is awesome.

[californiagrown]

I like how yall so ready to stand up for the power and authority of fearsome Iran.

By saying their best weapon and best bet against america is essentially the same as what a couple rednecks with a truck and two ARs managed to do in 2022? IMO, thats not really holding iran&#39;s power or authority in high esteem.

[highangle]

Their best weapon and best bet against small-A america is a realignment of their hate-based theocratic values, but we both know they'd rather kill millions if given the choice.