50 years to the day

[MultiVerse]

Deflecting and Now flat out lying that myself or actually anyone in here for that matter is supporting Hamas.

No, you're the one who is lying. You were one of biggest rape and sexual assault deniers in this thread. This you mcski?:

No, you can speculate but you do not know what happened to her. She might have been raped, dragged in the mud, or shit her pants. We don’t know

And there are plenty of sites like the old orgrish or livelink still around that don’t remove anything. So my bs meter is on high w these reports of mass gang rapes, etc.

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[californiagrown]

kinda wild how A-OK everyone is with killing iran's top scientists and their families. Imagine if the lead thinkers at boeing, lockheed, raytheon, general dynamics had bombs dropped on their house in suburban sunnyvale, CA and the rest of the world was just like "oh well, i guess they shouldnt have been involved in the science behind building weapons we dont like but produce ourselves". Kinda crazy.

[rod9301]

I and probably very few people are ok with these killings but I am desensitized to all the horrible things Israel is doing. And US and EU are doing nothing, while everybody is supporting Ukraine and helping it defeat Russia.

Maybe it's because Palestinians are brown and Ukrainian are white?

And how about the Israeli plan to create a concentration camp in part of Gaza?

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[Cisco Kid]

Koncentration Kamps are all the fad today.

[MultiVerse]

kinda wild how A-OK everyone is with killing iran's top scientists and their families. Imagine if the lead thinkers at boeing, lockheed, raytheon, general dynamics had bombs dropped on their house in suburban sunnyvale, CA and the rest of the world was just like "oh well, i guess they shouldnt have been involved in the science behind building weapons we dont like but produce ourselves". Kinda crazy.

Why is it crazy when Iran is directly responsible for killing thousands of Americans and thousands of Israelis in the war Iran started? Do you imagine a world where one side gets to kill the other, and the other doesn't fight back?

Maybe it's because Palestinians are brown and Ukrainian are white?

It's because Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th and then embedded themselves among and underneath the civilian population. People also support Ukraine because Putin's unprovoked invasion

Man, tankies are dumb

[summit]

CAgrown you have had some pretty reasonable discussions on this thread but you have been off the damned deep end the last few hot takes. What gives?

Are you fucking serious about the scientists? If we could have, we would have blown up Nazi and Japanese sciensts working on their nuclear bomb projects. They would have killed our Manhattan project scientists if they could have.

Why in the world would they be off limits in an existential war?

[californiagrown]

Why is it crazy when Iran is directly responsible for killing thousands of Americans and thousands of Israelis in the war Iran started? Do you imagine a world where one side gets to kill the other, and the other doesn't fight back?

And did the iranian scientist who were killed give orders to kill the americans or israelis? Did they carry out attacks to kill americans or israelis? Were they member of the active duty military that killed americans and israelis?

These were scientists that were killed, not military leaders or soldiers (who i agree are fair game)... hopefully folks don't start thinking that our civilian workforce is fair game as long as its connected to the military industrial complex.

[MultiVerse]

Scientists working directly in a military nuclear weapons program. They weren't meteorologists or oceanographers. They were working directly in military operations in a military capacity for a country in an armed conflict. For that reason they are in the same category as military leaders and soldiers

[californiagrown]

CAgrown you have had some pretty reasonable discussions on this thread but you have been off the damned deep end the last few hot takes. What gives? Are you fucking serious about the scientists? If we could have, we would have blown up Nazi and Japanese sciensts working on their nuclear bomb projects. They would have killed our Manhattan project scientists if they could have. Why in the world would they be off limits in an existential war?

Eh, my takes arent really off the deepend. Just pointing out that you and a few others seem all to content to gloss over the morality of recent military/government actions becasue its easier to just platitude that War is Hell, and What Else are We/They Gonna Do. I think it is a very slippery slope to start using the ends to justify the means, and you guys are sliding.

We are not at war with iran. Period, full stop. I have iranian coworkers, Iranians can still visit the USA as tourists, the USA still even trades with Iran.

We are not at war with Iran.

Why is it considered A-OK to bomb iranian civilian scientist in their home with their families? Given, the USA didn't do the actual bombing... but we were certainly close partners in it. Seems odd to be so complicit when we arent actually at war with the country. I guess knowledge will get you killed.

[californiagrown]

Scientists working directly in a military nuclear weapons program. They were working directly in military operations in a military capacity for a country in an armed conflict. For that reason they are in the same category as military leaders and soldiers

Shit the wife and kids of that middle manager for Lockheed better watch the fuck out!!!

[bodywhomper]

That’s a “fun” distinction to make and line to draw. Lots of “what if” occupations and jobs, especially in the world of scientist military contractors, where one can argue for them to fall on either side of that line.

[MultiVerse]

The Unites States doesn't have to declare war against Iran to engage in anticipatory self-defense. The Islamic republic of Iran, the regime, has attacked Americans for decades. Given that fact there is no requirement to take another hit from either a conventional or nuclear weapon when it can effectively defend itself by acting preemptively. The attack doesn't have to be imminent. The main thing is whether the adversary has intent and is acquiring the capability. Both of which Iran demonstrated

[ex-powderbroker]

Did the US just kill a bunch of scientists? If this is in regard to the bunker buster strikes, i’d say trump should have gotten congressional authorization but he basically told iran he was going to bomb anyway.

don’t worry, they told us they were going to attack our base in qatar and he was good with it.

[MultiVerse]

Shit the wife and kids of that middle manager for Lockheed better watch the fuck out!!!

Setting aside the fact senior, not mid, level scientists were killed in the targeted strikes, you do know countries like Russia and China, Iran too, target American and European civilians working in defense, right?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/polit...ssination-plot

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russia...r-against-west

[californiagrown]

Setting aside the fact senior, not mid, level scientists were killed in the targeted strikes, you do know countries like Russia and China, Iran too, target American and European civilians working in defense, right? https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/polit...ssination-plot https://www.csis.org/analysis/russia...r-against-west

WHo do you think is gonna fill the role of the senior level scientists? Next up! So, its really just attacking the military industrial complex's braintrust (and their families). Raytheon managers (and their kids) watch the fuck out!


Ruhroh. Did you really just justify civilian assasinations because... the russians do it too?!?! since fucking when should we be staking our ethics to the russians?

[MultiVerse]

Refer to post #6638 above which already answered part of your question. As for filling the role, that was discussed earlier in this thread. Israel's strike targeted regime hardliners and hardliner scientists. These were people got their start in the Iran-Iraq war sending children into minefields to clear mines. Now, we'll have to wait and see whether a new younger generation leaders wants to pursue the same course of action.

Also, too, as long as we're spitballing on where to draw a line imagining a “what if” scenarios ...

[californiagrown]

Israel's strike targeted regime hardliners and hardliner scientists.

Ahhh, so if you work for Raytheon/Lockheed/GD/etc AND you voted MAGA you and your family should be fair game for preemptive military strikes.

Some might say that doesnt sound so bad.

[MultiVerse]

You sound bad for fantasizing about killing Americans you have a political disagreement with

[californiagrown]

You sound bad for fantasizing about killing Americans you have a political disagreement with

Lighten up francis, it was an obvious joke.

[MultiVerse]

A white guy laughed at his own joke with an intensity that hinted at a darkness within

[bodywhomper]

These were people got their start in the Iran-Iraq war sending children into minefields to clear mines.

Prove it

Also, what does “middle management” mean? In the civilian federal government, I’ve learned it to mean gs15 and up. Next level is executive political appointees. Maybe it’s different in agencies that I do not know about.

[summit]

This whole discussion is fucking retarded. The US didn't blow up Iranian nuke scientists. Israel did.

Israel is in an existential war with Iran that would go to the next level with a nuclear Iran. Really so would it be for the US. So yes, justifiable.

[up an down]

What is not justifiable in my opinion is the continued eradication of the population in Gaza by the IDF..Deliberate starvation and destroying health care facilities and health workers.... Yes.. there is the excuse of all the horrible unjustified shit from Hamas .. .. Call me a cynic...or a realist.. But I think Israel wants to do ..and will do....to all the Palestinians exactly what the American government and American corps have done to the American Indians, Eskimos, and Hawaians.... kill or force out the population.. Take over the land..

[mcski]

Clearly , you meet MVs deluded qualifications as another Hamas supporter! Welcome lol. He will be posting lies a disingenuous misinterpretations of your posts in bad faith as soon as the algorithm reviews your posts!

Bonus points if you can count how many times he and summit have used existential in their posts. It practically inconceivable