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[matt_ski]

Some of the older tunes were really hot garbage, beyond just the ultra sharp tip to tail edges w no detune. Base bevels not done , edge high, etc. My 2014 or 15 vintage GPO was grabby as hell due to this , since then my Q came with a perfect tune.

The Blister reviews and some others really suffered from this inconsistent tuning. Seems to be fixed now, but the damage was unfortunately done.

I’ve got the 2014’s and while I’ve loved them in the soft snow (Japan), I have really struggled to get on with them on piste- they go from chattery / no edge set at lower controlled speeds to super hooky….. I’ve not really done anything about with the tune apart from running the diamond file over the tip and tail

[Muggydude]

Sounds like they’re edge high. A ton of skis come from the factory (most brands) edge high, and it can really mess with their hardpack and variable performance. I typically end up getting a “new ski tune” on most skis I buy, which includes a minor grind to set the base and edges perfect and some better wax. Then detune tips and tails and the skis are perfect.

As mentioned Praxis used to be hit or miss, but I believe they’re pretty consistent now.


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[matt_ski]

Sounds like they’re edge high. A ton of skis come from the factory (most brands) edge high, and it can really mess with their hardpack and variable performance. I typically end up getting a “new ski tune” on most skis I buy, which includes a minor grind to set the base and edges perfect and some better wax. Then detune tips and tails and the skis are perfect.

As mentioned Praxis used to be hit or miss, but I believe they’re pretty consistent now.


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Good to know, I'll give it a shot, otherwise, I'm going to get enforcer 110 frees......

[Shredeagle]

Yo! Jedi 191 mindstick. Pretty much rounded all edges ahead/behind the contact point. So sick. Like my 182 OG Woodsman that switches between big turns and pivots wherever you want. But way more bad ass. Just stand on it and let it ride. Or make any turn you need to. Great set of boards. Kinda light and EZ to ski with the wood veneer.


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[AintEZbeingSteezy]

I'm looking seriously at the MVP 108 as the replacement to my now deceased Big Horn 106 in 187cm. RIP.

I have the moment wildcat 108 in 184cm and I don't like it as much. At my size (5"10 180lbs), I find it too light, stiff and harsh in variabe conditions, and not as good on edge/ ice as the BH. The Big Horn had notably more plushness/ suspension, and I just felt better pushing it in a variety of conditions. The BH is a softer ski than the wildcat which I think helps it absorb hits and bumps better, while also being 150g or so heavier per ski. I think I've learned that I appreciate a ski that is a little softer at the ends but with some heft.

Specs wise, the 108 MVP looks nice and similar. My main question is the flex. Can anyone comment on how the MVPs feel flex wise compared to Moment skis?

Nerdy spreadsheet I made

[toast2266]

I'm looking seriously at the MVP 108 as the replacement to my now deceased Big Horn 106 in 187cm. RIP.

I have the moment wildcat 108 in 184cm and I don't like it as much. At my size (5"10 180lbs), I find it too light, stiff and harsh in variabe conditions, and not as good on edge/ ice as the BH. The Big Horn had notably more plushness/ suspension, and I just felt better pushing it in a variety of conditions. The BH is a softer ski than the wildcat which I think helps it absorb hits and bumps better, while also being 150g or so heavier per ski. I think I've learned that I appreciate a ski that is a little softer at the ends but with some heft.

Specs wise, the 108 MVP looks nice and similar. My main question is the flex. Can anyone comment on how the MVPs feel flex wise compared to Moment skis?

Nerdy spreadsheet I made

I went from a 190 Wildcat 108 to a (stock) 188 Praxis MVP 108 (with a season on the Whitedot Director in between). Agreed with your take on the Wildcat - skis too light, is kinda harsh, and is mediocre on firm. I sold my Wildcats after not too long. I like the MVP's much, much better. I find them easier in tight spots but also considerably more composed at speed. By the numbers, they don't weigh *that* much more than the Wildcats (comparing the 190's to the 188's), but the weight is used better - they're smoother, less harsh, and less inclined to get knocked around in crud than the Wildcat. I think the grip on firm snow probably comes down to the tune as much as anything, but the MVP's feel better on firm snow mostly due to being smoother and damper.

[AintEZbeingSteezy]

I went from a 190 Wildcat 108 to a (stock) 188 Praxis MVP 108 (with a season on the Whitedot Director in between). Agreed with your take on the Wildcat - skis too light, is kinda harsh, and is mediocre on firm. I sold my Wildcats after not too long. I like the MVP's much, much better. I find them easier in tight spots but also considerably more composed at speed. By the numbers, they don't weigh *that* much more than the Wildcats (comparing the 190's to the 188's), but the weight is used better - they're smoother, less harsh, and less inclined to get knocked around in crud than the Wildcat. I think the grip on firm snow probably comes down to the tune as much as anything, but the MVP's feel better on firm snow mostly due to being smoother and damper.

Honeslty this is excellent info and has pretty much made up my mind. Thank you!

The only question that remains is do Praxis ever do summer sales on customs? Deciding whether to wait and get a spicier graphic or just go stock.

[N1CK.]

Honeslty this is excellent info and has pretty much made up my mind. Thank you!

The only question that remains is do Praxis ever do summer sales on customs? Deciding whether to wait and get a spicier graphic or just go stock.

Yes they usually do have a summer sale. I'm on flex 3+ MVPs (stock flex is 4) and they've become my daily driver 75% of the time. 188cm, veneer, mounted a hair fwd of the line. Just a great ski (for me anyway)
FWIW, I love the current stock graphics. If I was shopping and had plenty of season left, I'd snag a stock model in a heartbeat.

[Self Jupiter]

Sounds like an awesome build N1ck.

Encountered all kinds of snow putting qround with family at Steamboat over the past couple warmer days and the OG MVP handled it all and never felt weird or out of place. So nice to have camber for the flats.

Considering a -1 MVP 94 for my first custom. Thinking New England firm snow days that I might try to check out the woods and see what they’re like. My fully cambered pipe skis blow if the snow is any bit grabby or fresh.

[AintEZbeingSteezy]

Yes they usually do have a summer sale. I'm on flex 3+ MVPs (stock flex is 4) and they've become my daily driver 75% of the time. 188cm, veneer, mounted a hair fwd of the line. Just a great ski (for me anyway)
FWIW, I love the current stock graphics. If I was shopping and had plenty of season left, I'd snag a stock model in a heartbeat.

That sounds pretty sick.

What made you go with a slightly softer flex? Did you find their flex too stiff previously.

[SchralphMacchio]

Yes they usually do have a summer sale. I'm on flex 3+ MVPs (stock flex is 4) and they've become my daily driver 75% of the time. 188cm, veneer, mounted a hair fwd of the line. Just a great ski (for me anyway)
FWIW, I love the current stock graphics. If I was shopping and had plenty of season left, I'd snag a stock model in a heartbeat.

Do you have A/B thoughts on MVP108 vs Woodsman 110s that you just sold? I’m pretty sold on my WD110s but am MVP curious. Also finding that the WD110 may have a a narrow mounting sweet spot but I will expound on that in the ON3P thread.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Do you have A/B thoughts on MVP108 vs Woodsman 110s that you just sold? I’m pretty sold on my WD110s but am MVP curious. Also finding that the WD110 may have a a narrow mounting sweet spot but I will expound on that in the ON3P thread.

Would love to hear this comparison as I have a woods110 headed my way in the mail.

Also two friends of mine bought a GPO and it's made me quite GPO curious.

[N1CK.]

funny, I'm also a huge GPO fan, to the point I have a spare pair.

Over the last two seasons I ran through every mid-fat 110-118ish ski that I could get my hands on looking for something that just clicked for me. I've sold or am selling everything but a GPO and Wren 114. The GPO is just so good in anything soft.

Woods110 vs MVP. I suck at describing skis but they're very different to me. Woods were much more stout, considerably more rocker/splay. The MVPs less so on both specs. On3Ps floated better, but MVPs are still more than adequate. It could be the flex. Again it was just one clicking more with me in most conditions. YMMV and all of that.

Something else worth mentioning. I used to mount back from the line on different Praxis skis but the current MVP and GPO are both just slightly fwd of the recommended point (due to hole conflicts) and I find them awesome like this.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

funny, I'm also a huge GPO fan, to the point I have a spare pair.

Over the last two seasons I ran through every mid-fat 110-118ish ski that I could get my hands on looking for something that just clicked for me. I've sold or am selling everything but a GPO and Wren 114. The GPO is just so good in anything soft.

Woods110 vs MVP. I suck at describing skis but they're very different to me. Woods were much more stout, considerably more rocker/splay. The MVPs less so on both specs. On3Ps floated better, but MVPs are still more than adequate. It could be the flex. Again it was just one clicking more with me in most conditions. YMMV and all of that.

Something else worth mentioning. I used to mount back from the line on different Praxis skis but the current MVP and GPO are both just slightly fwd of the recommended point (due to hole conflicts) and I find them awesome like this.

Does the GPO ski short? I feel in between sizes but think longer (192) would be better.

Can you post a nice little rocker shot for me?

[N1CK.]

Does the GPO ski short? I feel in between sizes but think longer (192) would be better.

Can you post a nice little rocker shot for me?

I don't think they do, no.
There has to be a thousand pics in the Praxis and GPO threads, if you aren't familiar to check those out.

What made you go with a slightly softer flex? Did you find their flex too stiff previously.

Not at all. I bought these used so that's just what they were.

[Self Jupiter]

[cstefanic]

Continuing the stoke.

[slowroastin]

Backcountry setup with Cast a stupid idea?


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[grinch]

Im looking at my next CAST set up. Thinking enduro core veneer mvp 108. My ul gpo has been great and now a friend is really enjoying them. I wouldnt put CAST on them or ski them inbounds though. I'd say enduro core is a nice 50/50 balance of light vs damp. Others may disagree

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[birdboatboy]

Here to say the current stock MVP 108 graphic wasn’t my top choice either, but it’s really grown on me. Paired with Raw P15s.

The skis too are awesome. 11 days total now, they do everything I need. Including ski switch mounted on the line. I’ve been pushing that the last few years, I’m skiing greens and blues backward with pretty good confidence, a skill learned in my late 30s.

I’m a 6’ 155lb endurance runner and I think the stock 4 flex works for me in the 188cm length. Not a super charger as a skier, but I’m strong enough to go all day and have no issues with them by the end.

Also, the rocker splay has definitely increased a bit with use. I initially thought it seemed too minimal for what I wanted of the ski, but now I have no complaints.

[Self Jupiter]

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[The Iron Horse]

funny, I'm also a huge GPO fan, to the point I have a spare pair.

Over the last two seasons I ran through every mid-fat 110-118ish ski that I could get my hands on looking for something that just clicked for me. I've sold or am selling everything but a GPO and Wren 114. The GPO is just so good in anything soft.

Woods110 vs MVP. I suck at describing skis but they're very different to me. Woods were much more stout, considerably more rocker/splay. The MVPs less so on both specs. On3Ps floated better, but MVPs are still more than adequate. It could be the flex. Again it was just one

Something else worth mentioning. I used to mount back from the line on different Praxis skis but the current MVP and GPO are both just slightly fwd of the recommended point (due to hole conflicts) and I find them awesome like this.

I didn't want to read this about mount. I will be receiving my GPO next week and I was dead set on -1.

[hoarhey]

I love the -1 mount for my GPO’s


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[N1CK.]

I didn't want to read this about mount. I will be receiving my GPO next week and I was dead set on -1.

No need to second guess. They're great at -1. I also think they're great at 0 and even +smidge. GPO has a large sweet spot, IMO.
I'm finding that I get along with slightly fwd-ish mounts on some skis more than I ever knew, that's all.

[The Iron Horse]

I love the -1 mount for my GPO’s

No need to second guess. They're great at -1. I also think they're great at 0 and even +smidge. GPO has a large sweet spot, IMO.
I'm finding that I get along with slightly fwd-ish mounts on some skis more than I ever knew, that's all.

Ok, good to know. I will stick to my guns, and make the final call once they arrive and I stand on them. I'm really looking forward to these.