2023 College Football Thread

[SumJongGuy]

Yeah, you guys got screwed on that play. I have to admit, though, it made me smile.

FWIW, I did notice a LOT of pass interference non-calls in several games this week. But that one was especially bad.

The Big12 refs fix is clearly in. The last thing they want is for OU and Texas to finish 1 and 2 there in OUr way out the door.

[billyk]

I thought Missouri played pretty well. Sanford Stadium isn’t a particularly loud stadium, but there is a little mystic with the hedges. One end, the north end zone, opens onto a big bridge that splits Georgia’s campus, so a lot of sound escapes. That being said, UGA’s fans have gotten pretty organized over the last few years and are smart enough to quiet down when their team has the ball. Missouri punched back pretty well through the first 3 quarters. I think they are the second best team in the east this year. I guess we’ll find out when Tennessee hosts them and the Dawgs back to back.

I didn’t mean to imply Missouri played poorly. They obviously gave Georgia a good game. Just wish they could’ve played that extra bit better to knock them off.

Was rooting for USC for the same reason, despite being a former student at UW for a couple years before finishing at Texas.

Pretty much resigned to the fact that Texas is probably going to miss out on the playoffs though, even if Quinn gets healthy, and they win out the rest of their games. Too bad they 12 team playoffs didn’t start this year.

[lowsparkco]

I didn’t mean to imply Missouri played poorly. They obviously gave Georgia a good game. Just wish they could’ve played that extra bit better to knock them off.

Was rooting for USC for the same reason, despite being a former student at UW for a couple years before finishing at Texas.

Pretty much resigned to the fact that Texas is probably going to miss out on the playoffs though, even if Quinn gets healthy, and they win out the rest of their games. Too bad they 12 team playoffs didn’t start this year.

The last couple years I don’t think I minded having the big target on our back’s (UGA alum).

But, this year we’re just not that kind of dominant. A bad game, like last year in the BCS against OSU on NYE and we’re going down. Whether it’s Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, any of them are going to beat us on an average day if we have a bad one.

Anyone else notice the heat Dan Lanning got for going for it on 4th down against Washington, yet Kirby Smart snatched up a 4th and 5 at mid-field the very first possession against Missouri. No one bats an eye when it works.

[SumJongGuy]

Flag on Oklahoma LOLOLOLOL! I'd be pissed if I thought OUr team was good enough to go all the way. Enjoy it Pokes, you don't "win" very often..

https://twitter.com/ImDerBatman/stat...87048652374105

[alias_rice]

Flag on Oklahoma LOLOLOLOL! I'd be pissed if I thought OUr team was good enough to go all the way. Enjoy it Pokes, you don't "win" very often..

https://twitter.com/ImDerBatman/stat...87048652374105

They got the final one though. Winner takes all is how it works.

[BmillsSkier]

The B1G tripping over each other to show their ass on a national stage in their effort to hurt either the Michigan program or just Jim Harbaugh because he's a weird dude who doesn't get along with many of them has reached the point of absurdity where its no longer about the alleged sign stealing scheme.

I stream enough Ohio sportstalk to get my Browns/Guards/Cavs fix to hear not only radio hosts and Ohio State fans all (surprisingly) come to the conclusion that nothing is going to come of this, at least not what the foaming at the mouth folks would like to see happen - at least when it comes to the B1G investigation, the NCAA investigation may not be over for a very long time and then Harbaugh will likely be gone.

Michigan will not lose games, Harbaugh may get suspended for a couple games, and everyone will go back to yelling about the playoffs and who's in and who's out. tOSU fans don't want the program or Harbaugh affected come The Game - they want the chance to beat a full-flavor Michigan team, not some squad with an excuse.

The counter-dirt digging appears to be well underway too and these schools had better make sure their own house is in order before getting on another 13 vs 1 call with the commissioner.

[SumJongGuy]

I stream enough Ohio sportstalk to get my Browns/Guards/Cavs fix to hear not only radio hosts and Ohio State fans all (surprisingly) come to the conclusion that nothing is going to come of this, at least not what the foaming at the mouth folks would like to see happen - at least when it comes to the B1G investigation, the NCAA investigation may not be over for a very long time and then Harbaugh will likely be gone.

Mostly this.. But Michigan WILL lose games and any titles won this season.... TWO YEARS AFTER THE FACT. That's how the Reggi Busch USC shit went down. This season will be business as usual.. Mich fans will get to celebrate any titles won and buy their champs merch.. Then the NCAA will rule it all vacated in a year or two IF they do prove infractions happened.

Giant asterisk season.

[BmillsSkier]

Mostly this.. But Michigan WILL lose games and any titles won this season.... TWO YEARS AFTER THE FACT. That's how the Reggi Busch USC shit went down. This season will be business as usual.. Mich fans will get to celebrate any titles won and buy their champs merch.. Then the NCAA will rule it all vacated in a year or two IF they do prove infractions happened.

Giant asterisk season.

While all of that is certainly possible I don't see vacated games/seasons happening. Wouldn't you have to show that a team actually benefitted from the completely legal act (advance scouting excepted) of sign stealing? And if the NCAA goes that hard at Michigan doesn't it have to equally investigate and punish tOSU/Purdue/Rutgers for their alleged sign-sharing of Michigan's signs last year?

I'm just not sure all this really adds up to something that a team (Michigan or anyone else) would lose a season over. I do know that the other B1G teams are tripping over each other to show the world how much more indignant they are than the next guy.

[The SnowShow]

Penn State wins Saturday and that would really derail UM.

[BmillsSkier]

PSU has a fantastic defense.

Their offense couldn’t hit water falling out of a boat.

[Hott Butt Mud]

While all of that is certainly possible I don't see vacated games/seasons happening. Wouldn't you have to show that a team actually benefitted from the completely legal act (advance scouting excepted) of sign stealing? And if the NCAA goes that hard at Michigan doesn't it have to equally investigate and punish tOSU/Purdue/Rutgers for their alleged sign-sharing of Michigan's signs last year?

I'm just not sure all this really adds up to something that a team (Michigan or anyone else) would lose a season over. I do know that the other B1G teams are tripping over each other to show the world how much more indignant they are than the next guy.

Michigan is doing everything they can to deflect. Sure sounds like like B1G is going to suspend Harbaugh tomorrow (probably for the rest of the season). I don't think they should go further than that until NCAA wraps up their investigation. If B1G does suspend Harbaugh, they sure better come public with some evidence at the same time.

[SumJongGuy]

While all of that is certainly possible I don't see vacated games/seasons happening. Wouldn't you have to show that a team actually benefitted from the completely legal act (advance scouting excepted) of sign stealing? And if the NCAA goes that hard at Michigan doesn't it have to equally investigate and punish tOSU/Purdue/Rutgers for their alleged sign-sharing of Michigan's signs last year?

I'm just not sure all this really adds up to something that a team (Michigan or anyone else) would lose a season over. I do know that the other B1G teams are tripping over each other to show the world how much more indignant they are than the next guy.

Neither Constitution muster nor "equal protection" are requirements for NCAA investigations and sanctions. Same with pro league rules. If it were they wouldn't be able to require football players to be 20 or juniors to be draft eligible.

[The Reverend Floater]

While all of that is certainly possible I don't see vacated games/seasons happening. Wouldn't you have to show that a team actually benefitted from the completely legal act (advance scouting excepted) of sign stealing? And if the NCAA goes that hard at Michigan doesn't it have to equally investigate and punish tOSU/Purdue/Rutgers for their alleged sign-sharing of Michigan's signs last year?

I'm just not sure all this really adds up to something that a team (Michigan or anyone else) would lose a season over. I do know that the other B1G teams are tripping over each other to show the world how much more indignant they are than the next guy.

You sound like all the UM callers on Maddog Sports Radio today.

Whether or not OSU participated in sign steeling is irrelevant to the Michigan case. Yes, they should be subsequently investigated but pointing fingers about it is ridiculous.

No, they do not have to prove that they benefited. They only have to prove that they cheated. Since when do you have to prove that someone benefited to prove that they're culpable?

I have no idea what the punishment will be nor do I really care, other than making sure Harbaugh is punished. But fans making asenine arguments like "Harbaugh didn't know" is just dumb.

[BmillsSkier]

No, they do not have to prove that they benefited. They only have to prove that they cheated. Since when do you have to prove that someone benefited to prove that they're culpable?

I have no idea what the punishment will be nor do I really care, other than making sure Harbaugh is punished. But fans making asenine arguments like "Harbaugh didn't know" is just dumb.

Look, let me be clear, I'm not dying on any hill for fandom here. That said, my bolded and underlined portion of your post is what I understand the current state of the outrage to be: take down Harbaugh by 13 other coaches/ADs who don't like him while the gettin's good.

As for proving benefit of the alleged scheme, you're correct, it's not a requirement, but it's also not a smell test here either. When I hear tOSU friendly callers and hosts admit that this whole thing has long since blown past sign stealing that's when I know its jumped the shark.

While I personally haven't heard any "Harbaugh didn't know" defenses, I'm sure they're out there in spades. It's not valid nor persuasive. What I do know is the outrage and demands departed from the level of the perceived offense a long time ago and morphed into an opportunistic takedown of the guy who's ahead of you in the standings.

[Hott Butt Mud]

Personally, I just want to see Penn State beat Michigan this weekend.

1. I think PSU really needs a big win
2. Fuck Michigan

[BmillsSkier]

I've walked past the tv in the elevator bank of my building at least 5 times today and each time its 2-4 talking heads with "MICHIGAN FOOTBALL WATCH" or some such shit emblazoned across the screen.

They're going to lose their shit once whatever the B1G decides to do turns out to not be a total and absolute tear down of the program, you just watch.

[XavierD]

I’m more worried about if Penn St is going to score a touchdown this weekend than if they can win. That offense against that defense ain’t a great match up. Does anyone actually think Michigan isn’t clearly the best team this year?

The thing about vacated wins and titles is, you still won them.

[Hott Butt Mud]

I’m more worried about if Penn St is going to score a touchdown this weekend than if they can win. That offense against that defense ain’t a great match up. Does anyone actually think Michigan isn’t clearly the best team this year?

The thing about vacated wins and titles is, you still won them.

- Home game for PSU gives a little edge to them
- Michigan won't have the PSU play signals to use for calling blitz when they're on D
- Michigan has yet to play a good team and now will without Connor Stallions

However, if I'm honest, Michigan could still win by 3 touchdowns and then all OSU fans will be extremely nervous. We just won't know until game time.

[SumJongGuy]

They got the final one though. Winner takes all is how it works.

These two team could very well meet agarin in the Big12 Title Game..

[XavierD]

- Home game for PSU gives a little edge to them
- Michigan won't have the PSU play signals to use for calling blitz when they're on D
- Michigan has yet to play a good team and now will without Connor Stallions

However, if I'm honest, Michigan could still win by 3 touchdowns and then all OSU fans will be extremely nervous. We just won't know until game time.

Michigan having opponents play calls isn’t why they put every offense they have played in a shoe box. I get they haven’t played a legit game yet, but…

It’s week 9 and I don’t think Michigan’s defense hasn’t lined up against an offense on first and goal yet. They have allowed two teams to score double digits. Average TD distance against them is something like 44 yards, because you need explosive plays. Penn St’s offense doesn’t do explosive plays. It also doesn’t do much at all against anyone not named Maryland.

It can absolutely be a good game, but probably not one where Penn St scores much.

[cinnepa]

Harbaugh won't be on sideline...does it matter?

[Adolf Allerbush]

- Home game for PSU gives a little edge to them
- Michigan won't have the PSU play signals to use for calling blitz when they're on D
- Michigan has yet to play a good team and now will without Connor Stallions

However, if I'm honest, Michigan could still win by 3 touchdowns and then all OSU fans will be extremely nervous. We just won't know until game time.

I'm hoping for a PSU win and then Michigan goes and beats tOSU.

ETA: Harbaugh's punishment seems weak

[SumJongGuy]

I'm hoping for a PSU win and then Michigan goes and beats tOSU.

Then one of those one loss teams beats Georgia.. TEXAS..

[BmillsSkier]

Harbaugh won't be on sideline...does it matter?

Nope. They attempted to throw the ball all of 8 times and ran the ball on Penn State all day. PSU defense is elite and kept that team in the game up till the offense couldn’t in the 4th.

Hail!

[The SnowShow]

Is there anyone with a great defense and good offense that can take down the cheaters?