The Atomic Ski Boot Thread

[JKlompus]

Biggest advantage I’ve seen with the shock stopper is that you won’t break your bootboard entering your boot racer style/liner first. Zipfits break the rigid board all the time, especially if it has been ground.

Anybody know where to source a 26.5 hawx xtd Shockstopper? The atomic site has been out of stock for a couple months now. TIA


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[onenerdykid]

ONK, aside from the slightly smaller last, are there any significant differences between the Redster TI 130 (95mm) vs Redster CS 130 (96mm)? Liners?

As of today, no. In the 24/25 range, the TI and STI liners will not have Mimic in them. The ankle space in the shell is simply too narrow in these boots and people complain about it.

CS has a much more anatomic ankle & navicular areas of the shell and Mimic is staying in the CS liners.

Other than Mimic, same liner materials, just lasted differently.

[Ville]

The new Hawx fits much bigger in the forefoot. I measure 107mm in a 24.5 and have nerve issues in my forefoot so I can’t be crushed. The old Hawx was such a project to make bearable. I would barely have to punch the new one. Even fire length, which was a huge issue in the last one. I am currently in a zero G that is punched for a ton of width. The off the shelf Hawx ultra feels remarkably similar to the expanded zero g.

From my experience with selling them, the old one always needed toebox work. The new one is our best selling boot and I haven’t had to do any work on any toe boxes except one guy with a hammer toe. He tried so size up to get the toe box room but hated how they skied so I expanded the toe box vertically in the size smaller boot.

This is all to say the new one fits way bigger in the forefoot and toebox and I have yet to see someone who should size up. More importantly, how long does your foot measure exactly?

26,5cm right and 26cm left. Annoying difference.

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[taters]

Hey all, I have a pair of Hawx Ultra XTD 120s. Solid boots for my purposes but the stock liner has packed out and I’m starting to swim in em.
I see a good deal on eBay for intuition alpines — does anyone have experience with alpines in the hawx xtd? I have seen other posts saying some intuition models have too much material to get the buckles closed. I am not touring a ton this winter so not overly concerned with the reduction in ROM.

Also looking for beta on sizing. I don’t have a ton of experience with intuitions.. had powerwraps in some Salomons a few years back. I wear a 27.5, intuition recommends sizing up to the 28. I am mostly concerned with eating up space in the toebox, seems to me that sizing down to 27 would ensure a snugger fit?

Thanks for any input. I mostly lurk but appreciate the wealth of knowledge on these forums.


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[GoldenBC]

26,5cm right and 26cm left. Annoying difference.

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Dang that right foot.

For ski performance go 25, for touring and comfort guaranteed, especially on flat tours, go 26. The 260mm foot should feel spacious in a 25. Sizing to the big foot never skis how people want it to ski but at least we have aftermarket liners to deal with that.

[Dromond]

Hey all, I have a pair of Hawx Ultra XTD 120s. Solid boots for my purposes but the stock liner has packed out and I’m starting to swim in em.
I see a good deal on eBay for intuition alpines — does anyone have experience with alpines in the hawx xtd? I have seen other posts saying some intuition models have too much material to get the buckles closed. I am not touring a ton this winter so not overly concerned with the reduction in ROM.

Also looking for beta on sizing. I don’t have a ton of experience with intuitions.. had powerwraps in some Salomons a few years back. I wear a 27.5, intuition recommends sizing up to the 28. I am mostly concerned with eating up space in the toebox, seems to me that sizing down to 27 would ensure a snugger fit?

Thanks for any input. I mostly lurk but appreciate the wealth of knowledge on these forums.


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I use the Pro Wrap which is similar volume to the alpine liner. I can close the buckles just fine but the cuff has a good amount of volume so it depends how much volume your foot/leg is. FYI the pro wrap specifically has more room in the toe and has a removable shim under the sole, so that you can tune the volume more than the alpine liner.

[Ville]

Dang that right foot.

For ski performance go 25, for touring and comfort guaranteed, especially on flat tours, go 26. The 260mm foot should feel spacious in a 25. Sizing to the big foot never skis how people want it to ski but at least we have aftermarket liners to deal with that.

Yeah, not hard to guess which one takes the beating and lost nail [emoji28] Left is always perfect. Well after punching it's perfect. My feets are also quite wide 107mm widest and would say "medium +" height. Probably related to hobbits.

I have tried couple of 26,5 shells in the past but only lucky with old Full tilts, thanks to their heel buckle(I liked these alot and skied quite many seasons). Got me thinking also K2 Diverge SC's, but never had those in my feets and thats bit too risky to order without testing. And also would need 130 tongue.

Would 26,5 hawx with boa be able to provide better fit for smaller feet? If I have understood right, it kinda wraps around instead of pushing down like buckles.

I would like these ones to have ski performance, I have radical pro's for long days and for my "light" setup and Lange RS130 for lifts. These would be mostly used for sled skiing(200-600 vert laps, no flats), sidecountry and travelling with one boots.

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[GoldenBC]

ONK, what should one expect out of a Redster TI toe box?

[onenerdykid]

ONK, what should one expect out of a Redster TI toe box?

It's a narrow, low-volume, World Cup-level boot with lots of plastic to do whatever you want to it. Kilde is a size 27 foot and a 25 shell can be made to fit his foot. Based on that, you can expect a lot I guess, but don't expect it to fit like a glove out of the box. That's not the point of this boot.

[Pacman922]

ONK, is there a significant difference between the women's and mens Hawx Ultra XTD Mimic liner? I am a guy and have a pair of 2019 Atomic Hawx XTD 130s with a Intuition Dreamliner im looking to replace. Mimic liners would be ideal but they've been sold out online for awhile. I found the womens Hawx Ultra XTD liner (LINK) in stock in my size at a local shop. Feels good but looking at the mens (LINK) it looks like the gusset in the back is a bit bigger. Zooming in, each note they are 200grams. Is there a significant difference?

[onenerdykid]

ONK, is there a significant difference between the women's and mens Hawx Ultra XTD Mimic liner? I am a guy and have a pair of 2019 Atomic Hawx XTD 130s with a Intuition Dreamliner im looking to replace. Mimic liners would be ideal but they've been sold out online for awhile. I found the womens Hawx Ultra XTD liner (LINK) in stock in my size at a local shop. Feels good but looking at the mens (LINK) it looks like the gusset in the back is a bit bigger. Zooming in, each note they are 200grams. Is there a significant difference?

If you have a unisex version of the boot, you will need a unisex version of the liner. The unisex cuff is 15mm taller than the women's and if you put a women's liner into the unisex boot, it simply will not fit and will be mega uncomfortable in the calf area.

[Pacman922]

Would this liner be considered unisex? https://www.atomic.com/en-us/shop/pr...ml#color=34831

It says Women in the title of course but under the About the Product section it says Unisex for gender.

[onenerdykid]

Would this liner be considered unisex? https://www.atomic.com/en-us/shop/pr...ml#color=34831

It says Women in the title of course but under the About the Product section it says Unisex for gender.

Women's liner. Shit website.

[Bamski]

Normally ski most boots in a 26.5. Have a really snug fit in some promachines in a 25.5 with some punches.

Went to try on the backland XTD 120 as a replacement for my 26.5 Radical Pro and holy shit it felt like a bucket by comparison. I wanted to try on a 25.5 but there was no stock. Is this just the Prime last? Seemed way roomier than I expected.

[GoldenBC]

The prime is a huge last. The forefoot is massive for an mv boot.

[auvgeek]

Normally ski most boots in a 26.5. Have a really snug fit in some promachines in a 25.5 with some punches.

Went to try on the backland XTD 120 as a replacement for my 26.5 Radical Pro and holy shit it felt like a bucket by comparison. I wanted to try on a 25.5 but there was no stock. Is this just the Prime last? Seemed way roomier than I expected.

Man, my understanding was the radical pro is a bucket so … wow. Even in the heel & ankle?

[zion zig zag]

Man, my understanding was the radical pro is a bucket so … wow. Even in the heel & ankle?

The heel and ankle is pretty roomy, maybe even slightly larger than my old Maestrales. I’m working on ways to take up some room there.

[GoldenBC]

What are these for? Stiffening? For an ultra 130 s.

[GoldenBC]

I can’t load the photo right now. It’s the little mini spoiler that gets mounted at the spine bolts.

[tompietrowski]

The prime is a huge last. The forefoot is massive for an mv boot.

I would not say that. We recently benchmarked most of the popular MV boots. We had the following:

Lange Shadow MV
Atomic Hawx Prime
Nordica Speed Machine
Tecnica Mach 1
Salomon SPro
Salomon Suppra
K2 Recon (Buckle)
K2 Recon (BOA)

I would say the Hawx was pretty comparable to most of these boots fit wise. The Nordica was the narrowest in the forefoot but not by much. Most were honestly pretty close in the forefoot and it was other areas such as the heel and instep which showed a lot more variation, but the big take away was nearly all were pretty close in terms of fit when skiing. What was interesting is the initial try on was not consistent, there we did find very different results but these initial feelings did not usually translate to how the boots felt skiing.

[GoldenBC]

The height above the foot in the prime is next level. The width doesn’t matter so much as it’s such an easy dimension to change. We outsell Hawx Ultra to Prime 3:1 because these boots fit so much bigger than you’d think and are so easy to adjust. The ultra fits decently wide feet and quite high insteps with zero work. The prime is too big for most people. The mindbender imo is a much better mid volume boot than the prime. It’s our #2 behind the ultra.

Fyi, the ultra regularly gives people the best ankle hold they have ever had and there is very little bootwork needed after the initial fitting And most people don’t get a full heat mold.

Most people with a prime end up asking to have the forefoot snugged up with a shim. That boot fits big.

[tompietrowski]

The height above the foot in the prime is next level. The width doesn’t matter so much as it’s such an easy dimension to change. We outsell Hawx Ultra to Prime 3:1 because these boots fit so much bigger than you’d think and are so easy to adjust. The ultra fits decently wide feet and quite high insteps with zero work. The prime is too big for most people. The mindbender imo is a much better mid volume boot than the prime. It’s our #2 behind the ultra.

Fyi, the ultra regularly gives people the best ankle hold they have ever had and there is very little bootwork needed after the initial fitting And most people don’t get a full heat mold.

Most people with a prime end up asking to have the forefoot snugged up with a shim. That boot fits big.

Interesting. We did not try the ultra this round but perhaps we should take a look especially for our female fit. Thanks.

[onenerdykid]

The height above the foot in the prime is next level. The width doesn’t matter so much as it’s such an easy dimension to change. We outsell Hawx Ultra to Prime 3:1 because these boots fit so much bigger than you’d think and are so easy to adjust. The ultra fits decently wide feet and quite high insteps with zero work. The prime is too big for most people. The mindbender imo is a much better mid volume boot than the prime. It’s our #2 behind the ultra.

Fyi, the ultra regularly gives people the best ankle hold they have ever had and there is very little bootwork needed after the initial fitting And most people don’t get a full heat mold.

Most people with a prime end up asking to have the forefoot snugged up with a shim. That boot fits big.

Your experience is your experience, and what works in your shop works in your shop - I'm not going to contest that. But objectively, having compared CAD overlays of the Prime last against all of the usual suspects, the only boot we are actually much taller than (instep wise) is the older Salomon S/Pro, which is a low-volume pancake. Most brands are literally within a couple mm or the same as us in the instep. I can also say there are way wider boots in this category than us...

While the last shape is an important factor, liner construction is a huge variable here. Especially the tongue - our tongue has an instep cut out in it which 1) allows for taller insteps to gain relief and 2) it is more flexible than a solid tongue in this area, which allows the tongue to flatten and conform to the foot rather than push down into the foot. I think part of what you and your shop is experiencing is for sure liner related. I think you'll find that the forthcoming 24/25 Hawx Prime boots will deliver a snugger fit while still staying in the MV-fit category.

[GoldenBC]

Interesting. We did not try the ultra this round but perhaps we should take a look especially for our female fit. Thanks.

I would. After years of asking for a boot to be made like this, Matt did it. A tight ankle and spacious forefoot. Any bootfitter knows the majority of your time is spent trying to lock heels down and expand the forefoot, yet many companies still make boots with wide ankles and tight forefoot.

[tompietrowski]

I would. After years of asking for a boot to be made like this, Matt did it. A tight ankle and spacious forefoot. Any bootfitter knows the majority of your time is spent trying to lock heels down and expand the forefoot, yet many companies still make boots with wide ankles and tight forefoot.

I think for an lv boot that makes a lot of sense but I question that for an mv boot. As you say the recon/mindbender last is your second best selling and that is fairly generous in the heel so we don’t want to go too aggressive with a fit which is meant for the masses. We have lv coming which I think you will really like but I am interested in getting our female test team back out in the ultra.