Return of the R/R - Heritage Lab 132 - Dedicated Thread

[3pin]

C132 owners, talk to me about your impressions/reviews now that it's been a little bit...

I'm considering the 190 C132 for 75/25 PNW touring with the occasional deeper resort day. I know the FR is probably the better choice for resort, but I already have DPS 115RPC and Pon2oons for alpine setups. Touring would be mostly Snoqualmie/Crystal/Stevens area, with the chance of a BC hut trip. This would be a pow complement to my current touring quiver of 182 Atomic Backland 107 (regular winter touring) and 181 K2 Wayback 88 (spring/firm), both driven with the 1st gen Hawx XTD 130. My resort quiver consists of 184 M102, 183 Corvus, 186 RPC (most pow days), and 179 Pon2oon (rare deepest days). I've never skied full R/R in the style of the 132, only both generations of Pontoon. I generally prefer directional skis with more traditional mount points, and ski aggressively but with a pretty upright stance. I'd probably need to make more pow touring days happen to really justify a niche purchase, but I've been really curious about this kind of ski. Am I crazy here?

[riff]

I’m in the stevens pass corridor and I’m getting more use out of them than i expected. As for ride quality; i have 180 /118mm/ 2400gr skis with Shifts that were intended for deep days inbounds, and after a direct comparison I’ve been preferring my 190 C132’s with Plum Oazo’s in every way, enough to carefully consider a heavy pair of 200’s later on just for resort use.
They are ridiculously responsive, swing weight and length are so easy to work terrain and have a great time. I wish i was better at describing it all, but i have a similar stance to what you described and the less I think about how to drive the ski the better they do. Stand on them and make whatever turn you feel like. Completely instinctive and effortless on any soft snow so far for me.
Specific uses that blow me away: all types of tree skiing; dense, steep, gladed. Go as fast as you want and shut them down any moment you want. Any super deep/high hazard touring day, these are my weapon- low angle terrain is still so fun. Incredibly stable and settled for landing airs.
I more or less bring them any day there’s new snow and I have the legs for a 1900 gr ski on the uphills. I’m not terribly articulate like some of the ski reviewers around here, but if I blew them up I’d replace them at the first opportunity without hesitation, and i now get why Marshal has 132’s and a skinny ski for his entire touring quiver. I could live that way now too.
They are straight up the most ridiculous fun soft snow touring weapon I’ve had.


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[Daywalker]

3pin, maybe not the exact answer you're looking for, but I've got C132 mounted alpine at the moment and have had more fun skiing them on inbounds pow days (twice at Alpental) than expected. FR132 probably better at that, but C132 is no slouch.

I planned to mount them with inserts to swap alpine and race-style pin bindings, but haven't gotten to the latter despite having bindings and skins. I will, but also have Lotus 124s mounted for touring and the ~300g weight difference per ski factors in my hesitancy. The Lotus is good, the C132 is likely better, but no A/B comparison on same boots yet. I prioritize speed on the uphill enough that the weight eats at my brain. As mounted the C132 is an occasional midweek pow resort day or other mechanical assist day. Once I eventually get both bindings on there I anticipate using them 50/50 human vs. mechanical access.

From your name, guessing your on tele bindings but happy to loan them out if you're around a 315mm alpine BSL.

[3pin]

3pin, maybe not the exact answer you're looking for, but I've got C132 mounted alpine at the moment and have had more fun skiing them on inbounds pow days (twice at Alpental) than expected. FR132 probably better at that, but C132 is no slouch.

I planned to mount them with inserts to swap alpine and race-style pin bindings, but haven't gotten to the latter despite having bindings and skins. I will, but also have Lotus 124s mounted for touring and the ~300g weight difference per ski factors in my hesitancy. The Lotus is good, the C132 is likely better, but no A/B comparison on same boots yet. I prioritize speed on the uphill enough that the weight eats at my brain. As mounted the C132 is an occasional midweek pow resort day or other mechanical assist day. Once I eventually get both bindings on there I anticipate using them 50/50 human vs. mechanical access.

From your name, guessing your on tele bindings but happy to loan them out if you're around a 315mm alpine BSL.

Super helpful from you and riff with the info above. Except that my hemming and hawing looks like it cost me as the 190 C132 is now sold out

It's not not a huge quiver need, but definitely a design I was very intrigued to try. Both of your approaches is where I was thinking... deep touring days and trying them out for occasional inbounds pow. The FR is tempting, but I already have a lot of overlap with resort pow boards (no more teleing, it's all alpine and AT now). I'm usually at Alpental, and would love to still check those out some day if there's a 326bsl would fit. Maybe I'll get a crack on the second-hand market some day?

[riff]

Easy fix if you’re a 326 bsl, just get the 200’s. Other than kick turns I wouldn’t hesitate to fire up the 200’s. I’m 5’10” and never notice the length as is. Whats 100gr on a ski this size anyway….


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[enginerd]

c132 first day review

TL;DR - they are the (stoopidly fun, surfy pow touring) droids you’re looking for. Get them while you can.

SO thrilled I managed to score some c132, 190s. They are to replace my broken dedicated powder touring skis. Review is with this perspective.

Mounted with alpinist 10’s at 9.5 back from center per Marshall’s recommendation. My current boot is the scarpa Quattro XT. I’m 185#, 6’ and my favorite in bounds skis are 196 OG protest, 192 ULGPO, 187 XXL, 184 OG m102, 187 bonafide. Backcountry skis I’ve liked include the Fischer Hannibal 100, k2 backlash, praxis yeti (all in the 18x size). First time R/R user, long time reader. I generally like to mount praxis back 1cm. Everything else goes on the line.

I have most of one day on the c132s at Olympic Valley in a storm. Conditions were a mix of medium density untracked to cut up mid shin (OS says 44” in the last 5 days) pow along with some really really nice chalky windboard (chalky windboard face shots, what!?) and of course the obligatory icy cat track and occasional groomer section.

It’s important to note that I skied hard on my beloved OG protests/dukes/Mach130s bell to bell the day prior and katana 108s/dukept/Mach130s bell to bell the day before that (winter is finally here, yay!). Read: my whole body started the day tired and stiff.

The first run was down a “groomer” to get from far east to KT. Said groomer was actually covered in about 4-6” of medium density pow. On the chair up, I thought to myself “this is probably not going to be the ideal intro to these skis” and “I don’t think it actually snowed enough last night…”



SURPRISE! This is the most “fun” and intuitive bc ski I’ve ever been on (where “fun” is like cheerful kids frolicking in the park, not to be confused with “fun” like Duke nukem with a rocket launcher…maybe some whispers of that too). Mind completely blown.

Mount point is spot on.

They are MUCH more versatile than I thought an R/R would be. Everything from the 4-6” untracked on a groomer to fresh soft wind buff/chalk to cut up medium density pow was super fun and very intuitive whether you wanted big or small turns, high or low speeds. They were more stable (in soft snow and in a surfy way) and less chattery than I thought a carbon ski would be. Of course, they can pivot fast. My use case for these skis doesn’t really involve Mach looney. Today I skied them faster in the resort than I probably ever will in the bc. Not sure if I found their limit. Was having so much fun (and was carrying so much built up fatigue), I didn’t need to. I’m definitely looking forward to pressuring the tips more and more as I get more confidence in their behavior in deep snow. I have a suspicion there is even more fun to unlock as I start to learn the finer points of driving an R/R ski.

As a result of the above versatility, I have a feeling I may tour on them more than expected. I might even take them out at the resort on occasion when like on this day I just feel tired and want a really fun, light, easy pivoty, surfy ride in a bunch of new snow. The words that come to mind are “video game skiing.” Just think whatever turn shape you want and it happens. Want to rail? Pressure the tips, lean in and load up. Want to slash or dump speed? Just pivot and whoosh. Want to send? Point and shoot!

Did MO call this the ultimate good times ski? I see why. For their purpose in my quiver as a pow touring ski, I’m absolutely thrilled.

Icy groomers, icy moguls and firm bumpy cat tracks are not very fun or confidence inspiring. No one is surprised. Fortunately, I don’t find too much of that in the bc…

Really can’t wait to get some touring days in on these beauties. After today, I find myself pondering if these and my yetis are the only touring skis I need.

Cold-dead-hands skis after day one.

[riff]

Hear hear! 🤠


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[3pin]

SO thrilled I managed to score some c132, 190s.

Cold-dead-hands skis after day one.

Dammit. Really regretting missing out on those 190s. Glad you scored and are enjoying them.

Anyone miraculously not feeling them and looking to sell?


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[Norseman]

just passed mine to HAB

[Marshal Olson]

1x pair of 200cm C132 and 2x pair of 190cm FR132 still available too!

[3pin]

1x pair of 200cm C132 and 2x pair of 190cm FR132 still available too!

Fuck it, I guess I'll make it 0 pair of the 200s left.

[riff]

This is a very good idea 3pin!


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[Marshal Olson]

Fuck it, I guess I'll make it 0 pair of the 200s left.

YESSSS!!!

[L8APX]

1x pair of 200cm C132 and 2x pair of 190cm FR132 still available too!

Make that 1x FR132 still available

[3pin]

C132 owners - let's talk bindings.

Trying to decide what to put on the 200s that are currently inbound. I'm planning to use them as a deep day ski for touring and resort (Alpental/Crystal). I ski fairly aggressively, but not dropping big air. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes. 5'10, 190 lbs with a 322bsl on first gen Atomic Hawx XTD 130 if I'm going to set them up for up and down. I'm leaning toward a mid or full-featured tech binding rather than running Shift/Duke PT. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes, but know there's a lot of good tech offerings out there. Initial options seem like Marker Alpinist, Salomon/Atomic MTN Summit, ATK Raider or Moment Voyager, G3 Zed?

What do I want here other than lightweight, wider mount pattern, decent power transmission? Freeride spacer, gapless heel for a little better elasticity inbounds? I'd prefer something without super high ramp angle, and ideally has a brake option that fits C132s. Seems like brake options max out at 115-120 for everything except G3. Has anyone gotten a brake to fit?

What are you all running on your 132s? What do you like/dislike about them?

[TAFKALVS]

Why not buy vipecs and tectons? You can just swap the heels on the track between the two. Tectons have way way better power transmission than any of the bindings you listed above.

[arild]

916s.

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[hoarhey]

I purchased the ski trab TR1 and the 120 mm brakes look like they just might fit

I likely won’t mount them up
Until
I get new AT boots



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[Lord Thomas]

C132 owners - let's talk bindings.

Trying to decide what to put on the 200s that are currently inbound. I'm planning to use them as a deep day ski for touring and resort (Alpental/Crystal). I ski fairly aggressively, but not dropping big air. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes. 5'10, 190 lbs with a 322bsl on first gen Atomic Hawx XTD 130 if I'm going to set them up for up and down. I'm leaning toward a mid or full-featured tech binding rather than running Shift/Duke PT. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes, but know there's a lot of good tech offerings out there. Initial options seem like Marker Alpinist, Salomon/Atomic MTN Summit, ATK Raider or Moment Voyager, G3 Zed?

What do I want here other than lightweight, wider mount pattern, decent power transmission? Freeride spacer, gapless heel for a little better elasticity inbounds? I'd prefer something without super high ramp angle, and ideally has a brake option that fits C132s. Seems like brake options max out at 115-120 for everything except G3. Has anyone gotten a brake to fit?

What are you all running on your 132s? What do you like/dislike about them?

I've got alpinist on my C132's and thinking of adding the 3 extra holes and inserts to put KP heels on for resort or side country work. Makes a pretty compelling combo when you add the fact that the toe piece stays the same for either heel. YMMV

[John_B]

I've got alpinist on my C132's and thinking of adding the 3 extra holes and inserts to put KP heels on for resort or side country work. Makes a pretty compelling combo when you add the fact that the toe piece stays the same for either heel. YMMV

LT have you managed to get out on those things this winter? Some time I want to swing by and take a peak at those things!

[fleaches]

C132 owners - let's talk bindings.

Trying to decide what to put on the 200s that are currently inbound. I'm planning to use them as a deep day ski for touring and resort (Alpental/Crystal). I ski fairly aggressively, but not dropping big air. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes. 5'10, 190 lbs with a 322bsl on first gen Atomic Hawx XTD 130 if I'm going to set them up for up and down. I'm leaning toward a mid or full-featured tech binding rather than running Shift/Duke PT. I currently tour on Salomon MTNs with brakes, but know there's a lot of good tech offerings out there. Initial options seem like Marker Alpinist, Salomon/Atomic MTN Summit, ATK Raider or Moment Voyager, G3 Zed?

What do I want here other than lightweight, wider mount pattern, decent power transmission? Freeride spacer, gapless heel for a little better elasticity inbounds? I'd prefer something without super high ramp angle, and ideally has a brake option that fits C132s. Seems like brake options max out at 115-120 for everything except G3. Has anyone gotten a brake to fit?

What are you all running on your 132s? What do you like/dislike about them?

I think ideal binding depends on exactly how much resort is going to happen. Quite a bit? Maybe tectons or inserts. A few perfect days? I'd just put something light on. While extremely light for their size they are heavy skis so I like to keep the weight down.

I have Alpinists on mine and happy with them. They ski very well and have a low ramp. Have not tried to ski them at a resort though.

I'm not sure if a freeride spacer type thing is as important on a pure pow ski (on the other hand, these are really wide so maybe it does help?). I'm not sure I can really tell the difference between the various flavors of touring binding in fluffy deep snow.


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[riff]

I’m using Plum Oazo’s with excellent results, including chairllift days


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[enginerd]

Alpinists here. See review above. For me the best review of a binding is no mention of said binding [emoji23]

It’s an impressively lightweight ski for its size. Seems an obligation to pair with a lightweight binding.


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[waveshello]

I settled on ATK Trofeos for my 132s, heels on an adjustment track. I was going to build up another radical toe/race heel on track setup, but the ATKs were on sale for $300 with the adjustment plate and leashes.

Mine probably won't see a lot of lift-served action, I think I'll be doing a lot of yo-yo tours on them so I wanted efficient/light.

[enginerd]

Northwest facing trees + c132s = best turns of the weekend!