A-Basin skiers can eat a bag of dicks

[MakersTeleMark]

Al has forsaken thee. Legendary move there bud.

[summit]

Vail was not allowed to keep Abasin when they got Breck and Keystone due to antitrust back when Vail was only Vail and Beaver Creek. That is how Dundee Real Estate acquired it from Vail in 1997. That was the dawn of the cheap season multi-pass wars.

But now Alterra can own it and Copper? Hello feds... is anyone home?

Also, the owners selling out to Vail/Alterra are spineless fucks.

Abasin is owned by a Dundee Real Estate, a Canadian based multibillion dollar multinational holding company that primarily has a portfolio of urban commercial real estate and golf resorts. Abasin was their only ski property.

Why do you think that multibillion dollar multinational is gonna have a "spine" that sticks up for your vision of skiing unless that is where the profit is? You were perhaps imagining the total BS fantasy narrative that Abasin was a plucky little independent locals mountain making it in a world of megacorps. That is the idea Al wanted you to believe in, because it sold passes, and it delivered. But Al had no say in this acquisition.

The plucky independent mountain? That's Loveland... which is owned by Texans. And Cooper. And Monarch.

Anyway, if Alterra makes it an unlimited hill, then that will fuck Abasin up... and traffic will be SO fucked. Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...

[Name Redacted]

Fuck this shit.

[galibier_numero_un]

Vail was not allowed to keep Abasin when they got Breck and Keystone due to antitrust back when Vail was only Vail and Beaver Creek. That is how Dundee Real Estate acquired it from Vail in 1997. That was the dawn of the cheap season multi-pass wars.

But now Alterra can own it and Copper? Hello feds... is anyone home?



Abasin is owned by a Dundee Real Estate, a Canadian based multibillion dollar multinational holding company that primarily has a portfolio of urban commercial real estate and golf resorts. Abasin was their only ski property.

Why do you think that multibillion dollar multinational is gonna have a "spine" that sticks up for your vision of skiing unless that is where the profit is? You were perhaps imagining the total BS fantasy narrative that Abasin was a plucky little independent locals mountain making it in a world of megacorps. That is the idea Al wanted you to believe in, but Al had no say in this acquisition.

The plucky independent mountain? That's Loveland... which is owned by Texans. And Cooper. And Monarch.

Anyway, if Alterra makes it an unlimited hill, then that will fuck Abasin up... and traffic will be SO fucked. Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...

^^^ this ^^^

What drink washes down a bag of dicks?

[brutah]

But now Alterra can own it and Copper? Hello feds... is anyone home?

Alterra owns Winter Park, POWDR owns Copper.....

Certainly, a bummer about Alterra buying A-Basin. I'm not really that certain that the US government gives many shits about monopolies particularly in the outdoor industry. It was nice they shut down the frontier and spirit airlines merger recently but that may still get overturned and is only one example.

[doebedoe]

Alterra owns Winter Park, POWDR owns Copper.....

Certainly, a bummer about Alterra buying A-Basin. I'm not really that certain that the US government gives many shits about monopolies particularly in the outdoor industry. It was nice they shut down the frontier and spirit airlines merger recently but that may still get overturned and is only one example.

Alterra operates Winter Park, but it's owned by the City of Denver.

[phatty]

Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...

Crystal Mountain (5 days basic/7 day full) and Deer Valley (0 days basic/7 days full and requires Ikon reservations) are both owned by Alterra. Both have seen their access decrease since they joined Ikon. Crystal was originally unlimited and DV used to be on the basic. Both sell premium individual passes. Might be others but not sure.

[Norseman]

Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...

Crystal Mtn WA... after the initial ikonik blowout when unlimited.

Vibes to A-basin folks.


Edit - the esteemed phatty just beat me to it. Vibes still. Fuck Alterra.

[Truckee Joe]

Do you guys have paid parking reservations yet? I'll bet you do after this...

[MakersTeleMark]

https://www.justice.gov/atr/report-violations

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Well shit.

[The SnowShow]

Indeed. I often wonder why this isn't really a thing for most ski areas. I'm guessing the costs to build and maintain those structures is a lot. Overall the footprint of going upward instead of outward seems environmentally responsible but there's always the NIMBYS that would probably say it's an eyesore.

Yeah, I’m thinking any structure higher than 2 will be such an eyesore in that beautiful valley but then again, so would any structure. I mean, look at Snowbird and that shit brutalist Cliff Lodge structure.

[Leshphilling77]

Here’s the thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic. Feel like most ikon pass holders in Denver only ski like 5-10 overall days to begin with and weekends at the basin are already at capacity. Obliviously there will be increase in demand not having to ‘save days’ but feel like it will be more so weekends which are already proving to be fucked. Good bye chill December and January. Also yeah fuck this fuck the ski industry fuck capitalism

[Leshphilling77]

** was just in 6th alley so feeling feisty. Vibe there was whatever. Lots of patrol has not left Pali outpost all day lol.

[Danno]

Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...

Aspen mountains. Heck, Aspen isn't even ON the Base Pass.

I think technically Alterra may not own the Aspen mountains but they're all owned by the same entity.

[phatty]

Aspen mountains. Heck, Aspen isn't even ON the Base Pass.

I think technically Alterra may not own the Aspen mountains but they're all owned by the same entity.

Aspen Ski Co. is an investor with KSL in Alterra, but Alterra has no ownership in Aspen.

[Name Redacted]

Here i am skiing keystone with my gaper ass family thinking about how bad this place sucks and then i get this news. Paid for a ticket and everything. Skiing is going to shit. 💩

[cmsummit]

Al will still be running the show, so that keeps me somewhat optimistic. My buddy on patrol thinks that they will still offer an ABasin only pass....so that sounds good to me. Don't 'force' me to buy an Ikon pass Al.

[MakersTeleMark]

One of my quotes of the day today:

Trey Parker and Matt Stone

"Sometimes what's right isn't as important as what's profitable."

[ColMan]

No way Alterra keeps Abasin as a “premium” resort. Unlimited Abasin on Ikon will certainly increase pass sales and pull from VR. With the deal not expected to close until later this year (and details released then), curious to see what Abasin does as far as spring pass sales goes. Maybe no changes for Abasin passes/Ikon (5/7 days) with the shitstorm coming the following season. Would love to get another Abasin season in (albeit w/o free parking) before going elsewhere (Loveland may be the only option).

[MakersTeleMark]

Ah, the good ole days.

[ENDOOO]

Al will still be running the show, so that keeps me somewhat optimistic. My buddy on patrol thinks that they will still offer an ABasin only pass....so that sounds good to me. Don't 'force' me to buy an Ikon pass Al.

Maybe in the coming days I'll try to be somewhat optimistic but right now I just want to bitch and get drunk. I would gladly pay double for a season pass to keep it exactly the way it's been the last 3 years. Saturday lots were full by 10am I think? And really lift lines not bad at all. But there's the rub. Higher price pass with no increase in parking would be an easy pill to swallow. That probably sounds douchy and entitled but fuck, I'm not wealthy. it's just the one place that always feels right. I know I got no reason to feel butthurt. Just hope the change is slow I guess.

[Name Redacted]

Al will still be running the show, so that keeps me somewhat optimistic. My buddy on patrol thinks that they will still offer an ABasin only pass....so that sounds good to me. Don't 'force' me to buy an Ikon pass Al.

Al will do what his corporate overlords tell him to do.

[Leshphilling77]

Al will still be running the show, so that keeps me somewhat optimistic. My buddy on patrol thinks that they will still offer an ABasin only pass....so that sounds good to me. Don't 'force' me to buy an Ikon pass Al.

Hmm I see the logic. Something like base pass with restrictions (blackouts, limited days) and full pass no restrictions. or still just ski the basin for cheaper than either of those. But I guess I have to wonder why Alterra would do that? Do they have any other resorts that they own where this is an option? I very likely see this as a different scenario than the vail days as they weren't actually owned by vail.

[shroom]

schweitzer still offered a pass in yr 1. the primary change is from a local customer base to global, if marketing focus is not already there