Water.....

[schuss]

Interesting to read as an east coaster that lives in a town that supplies to multiple other water districts and we don't really get anything but a pain in the ass for it as the water table is so high I have to have pump up septic.

[neufox47]

yep, problem solved.

flood stats:

On Saturday at 6 p.m., the USGS’s Mill Creek streamflow gage at the Sheley Tunnel (an irrigation diversion nine miles upstream from Moab) recorded a flow of 15 cubic feet per second—a gurgling little stream about the size of an irrigation ditch—and the gage height was 3.5 feet. Within an hour, the creek had swollen into a raging, 1,160-cubic-feet-per-second monster, with the gage height registering nearly 10 feet. It took about two hours for the surge to reach the streamflow gage just above where it joins the Colorado River (just downstream from Moab), where Mill Creek ballooned from just 8 cfs at 8:15 p.m., to 1,120 cfs at 10 p.m. It’s safe to assume the stream was even larger as it barreled through town, since some of its waters were diverted by, well, Main Street.

Some crazy monsoon action all over the SW the last two years.

In 40 seconds that stream produced 1 acre foot, or about 2,000 acre feet per day if it was continuous. If it continued for a whole year it would produce ~750,000 acre feet. So we only need 5 of those to make up for the production shortfalls!

[SkiBall]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...e/10271103002/

Saudi firm has pumped Arizona groundwater for years without paying. Time to pony up
Opinion: The State Land Department unlawfully allowed Fondomonte to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater at no cost. That must stop.


AZ should be one of the most conservation focused states in the union, yet their fuckery spells corruption, absolute incompetence, or a mix of both. WTAF?

[riser4]

Interesting to read as an east coaster that lives in a town that supplies to multiple other water districts and we don't really get anything but a pain in the ass for it as the water table is so high I have to have pump up septic.

Right? It's going to be a shock when that water table drops.

[This End Up]

I love the talk of pumping Missouri river water over the continental divide to keep Californians and Arizonians happy. About century ago, in Colorado, many pipelines, dams and tunnels were planned and built specifically to route water from the west side of the divide to the east. Water allowed to go down the Colorado river to the deserts of Utah, Arizona and Mexico was considered wasted. It was better to use that water irrigating the farms of eastern Colorado and western Nebraska and Kansas.

Arizona was the last one to tap into the Colorado river water, and it will need to be the first one cut off. That’s just water rights 101. Growing food in the desert is cool, and has its advantages, but requires too much water.

From a snow sports perspective I love the idea of; “let’s pump sea water over great distances and over tall mountains to refill the Great Salt Lake”, but fuk that’d be expensive. And over a long enough time, with evaporation, the lake would turn into the Great Salt Block.

[Danno]

I love the talk of pumping Missouri river water over the continental divide to keep Californians and Arizonians happy. About century ago, in Colorado, many pipelines, dams and tunnels were planned and built specifically to route water from the west side of the divide to the east. Water allowed to go down the Colorado river to the deserts of Utah, Arizona and Mexico was considered wasted. It was better to use that water irrigating the farms of eastern Colorado and western Nebraska and Kansas.

Arizona was the last one to tap into the Colorado river water, and it will need to be the first one cut off. That’s just water rights 101. Growing food in the desert is cool, and has its advantages, but requires too much water.

From a snow sports perspective I love the idea of; “let’s pump sea water over great distances and over tall mountains to refill the Great Salt Lake”, but fuk that’d be expensive. And over a long enough time, with evaporation, the lake would turn into the Great Salt Block.

Water from the Colorado River does not, generally speaking, flow into Kansas or Nebraska. Not if we can help it.

And no, it's not Water Rights 101 that Arizona gets shut off first, that's not how it works between states (prior appropriation is an intrastate doctrine). Fwiw, Nevada is the state that was latest to the river (and thus they got the smallest allocation).

[bodywhomper]

And MX?

[schuss]

Right? It's going to be a shock when that water table drops.

We actually will get wetter due to rainfall increases from climate change. Also in NH we have an unholy cluster of major water supplies having PFOA/PFAS contamination thanks to shithead companies, so regardless things will get tight.

[jackstraw]

We actually will get wetter due to rainfall increases from climate change. Also in NH we have an unholy cluster of major water supplies having PFOA/PFAS contamination thanks to shithead companies, so regardless things will get tight.

Aquarion addressed that recently with some filtering upgrades apparently.

It rained yesterday which was nice. We're still in a D1 drought down a good 12" or so compared to average 12 months.

[ötzi]

The more we bitch about how dry it is around here the worse the hurricane will be that ends the drought.

[jackstraw]

The more we bitch about how dry it is around here the worse the hurricane will be that ends the drought.

waves!

[Danno]

What about that thousand-year flood that Dallas is seeing? You know, that thousand year flood that comes around every year or two.

[east or bust]

https://youtu.be/KC5H9P4F5Uk


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[SumJongGuy]

Pretty sure it hasn't been that long ago (maybe 10 years tops) that we were in the red zone and told we couldn't wash our cars or stuff like that.. Oh the humanity! Again it did impact snowmaking collection ponds and other sources..

But nothing like west of the divide..

Can we steal Canada's water?

[muted reborn]

Meanwhile in LA, celebs are getting busted for water overages.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ht-water-waste

"Among the addresses that received notices was an $18-million Hidden Hills property, listed under the name of former NBA star Wade, that exceeded its allocated water budget in June by more than 1,400%, or 90,000 gallons. That was an improvement over May, when the property exceeded its budget by 489,000 gallons — more than any other customer."

Looks like he really cut back in June, good job Wade!

[PB]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...e/10271103002/

Saudi firm has pumped Arizona groundwater for years without paying. Time to pony up
Opinion: The State Land Department unlawfully allowed Fondomonte to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater at no cost. That must stop.


AZ should be one of the most conservation focused states in the union, yet their fuckery spells corruption, absolute incompetence, or a mix of both. WTAF?

Ask Jarod.

Too political??

[bagtagley]

Problem solved

[SumJongGuy]

Problem solved

Better yet..

[Danno]

Good thing we reclaim sewer water because I see some runs in the future for McD's eaters!

[Jong Lafitte]

Better yet..

Get em before the ocean becomes too acidified!!! Er, I mean, while they’re hot, er, I mean, hey if you froze one back in 17 I’ll take it and post it up in the wouldnyou eat it thread.


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[Core Shot]

waves!

Where?
Only big storm so far was in Baja

[ötzi]

He meant the eventual hurricane will bring waves.

In other water news, it's been all drought, all the time in the news but it's been raining for 5 minutes and the NWS just issued a flash flood warning.

[riser4]

We actually will get wetter due to rainfall increases from climate change. Also in NH we have an unholy cluster of major water supplies having PFOA/PFAS contamination thanks to shithead companies, so regardless things will get tight.

Depends on what you mean by we and wetter. Here in the northern part of the Champlain valley we have mostly escaped the varying levels of drought that has hit the rest of the state and New England. Yes, heavier rains than normal will eventually show up. But they do damage and as we all have discussed up thread, they don't recharge the ground as well. See what I did there?

[Timberridge]

[skaredshtles]

It's cool visiting the headwaters of these big western rivers. They are so tiny at the beginning...