Water.....

[Dantheman]

You posted in another thread awhile ago an eye opening map of all water pipelines throughout the state - or maybe only to the wastach front - can you post that again? I can't find it on google.

Probably this one, which is just the Central Utah Project:




This is also eye-opening:

Jesus. I think my minimum bill is $100 a month for ~4000 gallons.

I pay a flat rate of $43 for anything up to 10,000 gallons. Going beyond 10k gal doesn't cost much extra, and it's only metered Apr-Oct.

Around here sewer is *also* stupid cheap. Just paid my yearly bill - it was $271.

My sewer bill is $35 bi-monthly.

[GiBo]

...sewer rates are calculated off domestic water usage.

uh... kinda, but not really. It's a little more involved than that. Here's some exciting reading for your weekend.
http://www.stocktonca.gov/files/218RateStudyReport.pdf

[Danno]

I know we do, although I'm not sure it's as high a percentage of our potable water as you seem to imply. My point was that it sounds cheaper to reclaim used waste water than desalinate (may change in the future), so why the rush to desalinate? Perhaps if desalinated water is dedicated to new growth + make-up after we're successful at reclaiming at least 90% per cycle, but we've got a long way to go to come even close to that goal. I just think it makes more sense to really get aggressive about re-using for non-ag water.

I don't know where you live so obviously can't speak about your exact situation. And I don't know how to quantify "percentage of potable water", you'd have to explain exactly what numbers you want to compare. As for "why the rush to desalinate", well, I'm not sure if anyone IS rushing, but the whole point of this thread is there isn't enough water, or won't be. But let me ask a few questions. And let's exclude people on well water and septic, let's just talk about "city water" and "sewer".

Where does the city water come from? Streams and reservoirs and the like, right? Some use wellfields, but generally speaking, those are still coming from the streams. It all gets treated before it comes out of your tap, of course.

Ok, so now, what happens to the sewer water that leaves your house? It goes through the sewer system to a wastewater treatment facility. What do you think happens to the water that comes out of that treatment facility? It gets put back into the stream system, because where else would it go?

I just don't understand what you think happens to wastewater.

[LongShortLong]

I just don't understand what you think happens to wastewater.

Late in the dry season, a major tributary to Sacramento River is the Sacramento sewer outfall. And the Delta pumps that supply the aqueduct to corporate farmers and LA... well the San Joaquin River doesn't run at all that time of year.

Here in the bay area, they've been using reclaimed (sewer) water in the parks. Turns out it kills the redwood trees (and other conifers) because it has too much salt. It's unclear to me how much is due to salts that get flushed vs bay water leaking into the sewer.

[bodywhomper]

^^^that's pretty interesting (and unfortunate)

2019 published piece on the biological and physical effects of the brine discharge of the carlsbad (San diego county) desal plant: https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Constructions

"Our results indicated that to minimize environmental impacts discharge should target waters where a long history of anthropogenic activity has already compromised the natural setting. To ensure adequate mixing of the discharge brine desalination plants should be constructed at high-energy sites with sandy substrates, and discharge through diffusor systems. "

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There's a state law in CA that prohibits human body contact (swimming) in drinking water reservoirs. I am aware of some higher elevation reservoirs where the utilities have debated about prohibiting dogs for the same reason. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...r=5.&article=1.

[old goat]

For many years Donner Lake houses got their water from the lake. Unfiltered and with enough chlorine to kill fish. There was never a ban on swimming although I'd have worried more about the 2 cycle engines. We get our water from wells now.

[PB]

I don't know where you live so obviously can't speak about your exact situation. And I don't know how to quantify "percentage of potable water", you'd have to explain exactly what numbers you want to compare. As for "why the rush to desalinate", well, I'm not sure if anyone IS rushing, but the whole point of this thread is there isn't enough water, or won't be. But let me ask a few questions. And let's exclude people on well water and septic, let's just talk about "city water" and "sewer".

Where does the city water come from? Streams and reservoirs and the like, right? Some use wellfields, but generally speaking, those are still coming from the streams. It all gets treated before it comes out of your tap, of course.

Ok, so now, what happens to the sewer water that leaves your house? It goes through the sewer system to a wastewater treatment facility. What do you think happens to the water that comes out of that treatment facility? It gets put back into the stream system, because where else would it go?

I just don't understand what you think happens to wastewater.

Ha! Got me! We're re-using the non-potable water water discharge that's been diluted in the riverine primary supply source! Sure, but obviously not what we're discussing here i.e. tertiary+ treated water that can go right back into the potable supply system without dilution.

[bodywhomper]

For many years Donner Lake houses got their water from the lake. Unfiltered and with enough chlorine to kill fish. There was never a ban on swimming although I'd have worried more about the 2 cycle engines. We get our water from wells now.

I don’t understand the enforcement of the law, but I just know that it exists. There are other reservoirs that you can’t swim in. Castiac is an example. Several in the Bay Area, too.

[old goat]

I don’t understand the enforcement of the law, but I just know that it exists. There are other reservoirs that you can’t swim in. Castiac is an example. Several in the Bay Area, too.

Maybe courts or someone decided that the law only applies to manmade reservoirs, not natural lakes. (Donner does have about 10 feet of dammed water.)

[up an down]

I wonder what they do with all the salt from the desalination facilities in Saudi Arabia and other gulf states? When I was there in 90/91 the scale was mind boggling.

Probably rub it into the wounds of the people the government tortures

[neufox47]

Hey Danno, under use it or lose it water rights, what happens if the water is unavailable for a time? Does that constitute not “using it” and the right goes away?


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[gravitylover]

Probably rub it into the wounds of the people the government tortures

Oof

[Danno]

Hey Danno, under use it or lose it water rights, what happens if the water is unavailable for a time? Does that constitute not “using it” and the right goes away?


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If water wasn't available, that wouldn't count in proving the intent to abandon a water right.

[muted reborn]

Flooding in Moab of Millcreek this weekend, pretty impressive volume. The waterfalls around town look amazing too.

https://twitter.com/Neildos/status/1...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Supposedly this increased the flow of the Colorado by 25% where Millcreek goes into the river (I can't verify this) during the event

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Flooding in Moab of Millcreek this weekend, pretty impressive volume. The waterfalls around town look amazing too.

https://twitter.com/Neildos/status/1...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Supposedly this increased the flow of the Colorado by 25% where Millcreek goes into the river (I can't verify this) during the event

Lakes Mead and Powell must be almost full by now

[muted reborn]

yep, problem solved.

flood stats:

On Saturday at 6 p.m., the USGS’s Mill Creek streamflow gage at the Sheley Tunnel (an irrigation diversion nine miles upstream from Moab) recorded a flow of 15 cubic feet per second—a gurgling little stream about the size of an irrigation ditch—and the gage height was 3.5 feet. Within an hour, the creek had swollen into a raging, 1,160-cubic-feet-per-second monster, with the gage height registering nearly 10 feet. It took about two hours for the surge to reach the streamflow gage just above where it joins the Colorado River (just downstream from Moab), where Mill Creek ballooned from just 8 cfs at 8:15 p.m., to 1,120 cfs at 10 p.m. It’s safe to assume the stream was even larger as it barreled through town, since some of its waters were diverted by, well, Main Street.

Some crazy monsoon action all over the SW the last two years.

[bagtagley]

Never really understood the no swimming at reservoirs thing. Boulder res was like that, though that didn’t stop people. I’ve got a picture somewhere of a large group of people swimming and congregating around the “no swimming” sign.

You can’t swim in any of the reservoirs around here, which is kinda funny because you can boat and drink, and there are established trails to swimming holes just upstream. One thing I really like about taking the SUP on a reservoir is that it’s a lot easier to “accidentally” fall in, a bunch.

[Yonder_River]

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. Here you cant even go hiking in the drainage where our water supply comes from.

[AK47bp]

It’s all fun and games until Johnny Rottencrotch hops in your reservoir with a raging case of mud butt.


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[SumJongGuy]

Wait, it's not cool for hot chicks to go skinny dipping in the town water tower??



I was under the impression that all our water here comes from seval manmade lakes where people swim, fish, boat, ski, fuck, die, etc.. The water gets treated before getting pumped up the water towers for human consumption..

[Core Shot]

I don’t drink water
Fish fuck in it.


#WCFields

[Jong Lafitte]

Wait, it's not cool for hot chicks to go skinny dipping in the town water tower??



I was under the impression that all our water here comes from seval manmade lakes where people swim, fish, boat, ski, fuck, die, etc.. The water gets treated before getting pumped up the water towers for human consumption..

This wasn't just an actual show. It was somehow deemed worthy of being in syndication. for like 30 fucking years. eeeeesh.

[PB]

What about alien parasites???

I mean, alien tourons with the galactic version of Montezuma's revenge skinning dipping happens a lot, right?

[Bunion 2020]

Bad enough that Billie Joe, Bobbi Joe and Betty Jo were dunking their lady bits but the dog is gross.

[Core Shot]

This wasn't just an actual show. It was somehow deemed worthy of being in syndication. for like 30 fucking years. eeeeesh.

Always hated that show.
Been in a rental last few weeks where it’s network or meTV.

Fuck that show. The only decent part was the tease where they swim in the water tank. The rest of it sucked. Then. And now.

The rest of meTV was fun. Andy Griffith. Mat lock. Perry mason green acres Etc.
I even watched some A Team and Cannon (aka fat ass PI)