The Black Crows thread

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Ok so first pow day on the new nocta… float is there. Easy to maneuver in tight spots and overall a pretty good time. The main thing that jumped out to me however is that they felt a bit hooky (maybe due to the 19m radius?) I didn’t get a ton of runs in to due the back wearing out faster than I thought. I will post again once I have more days on them.

Side note. I snagged a pair of the old Nocta (2022) locally for $350 in plastic. Going to mount them up and AB test them. Anyone go back a touch on the mount? I’m 6’1 205 and I remember some complaining of tip dive.

I’m 6’1”, 170 on 185 Noctas (V2, 26m radius) mounted OTL 306 BSL and like them there. No tip dive

Posted this before…


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I don’t know how BCs calculates their published turn radius but my 193 Corvus don’t ski like a 21 m ski. Seems like a much straighter ski.

Is it just a number that they think it feels like or is there an actual calculation?


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[J. Barron DeJong]

I don’t know how BCs calculates their published turn radius but my 193 Corvus don’t ski like a 21 m ski. Seems like a much straighter ski.

Is it just a number that they think it feels like or is there an actual calculation?


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Sooth Ski measured it at 25.1m actual radius.

[kid-kapow]

I ended up not skiing the Atris at all today, A-B'ed Noctas and K2 Dispatch 120 186s instead.

Noctas are fun. They are not as chargy/capable in variable as Dispatch 120s imho, but they can still rally plenty hard with a forward to centered stance, while popping off stuff and slarving with ease. Nearly had a double eject after getting hung up / plating myself in a depression.

They do not have the effortless unsinkable float of BMT122s or ON3P C&Ds imho, but still float very well for their mount point. Great pow / soft snow ski imho. I've not skied them in deep fresh yet, though it seems like speed and a slight adjustment to the stance should make them more than capable enough. Happy that I went with 185s.

They actually do well on groomers, if not as well as the metal induced D120s.

I (unsurprisingly) really like them, though they would prob be even better / more versatile with a bit of camber

[TahoeJ]

I will say, as others have said, that the Noctas ski short for sure. I originally had 185's and loved them but wanted a little more in front of my boot so went up to 190's. And honestly the 190's don't feel nearly as long as other 190 skis I've been on, such as the Moment Wildcats. I'm 5' 11" / 185 - 195 pounds.

[kid-kapow]

oh, and got to fondle some 181 Dracos today too. They were surprisingly supportive - def no noodles. Their shape and flex pattern should be just what Lusti and Schirmer has been wanting - lighter than Animas, but wider than the Atris while still being supportive. Very, very interesting ski.

I will see if I can demo them tomorrow.

oh, and yes - a local BC rep mentioned that he much preferred the v1 and v3 Noctas over v2s, so it will def be interesting to hear more on how people get along with theirs

[kid-kapow]

I got to ski Draco 181s today. They skied fine, the ATK RentMes that were mounted on them made it kinda hard to tell as we did not get along. They released easily, were happy at speed on groomers and were easy to control off piste. They were mounted at -1, supposedly the spot Schirmer recommends they be mounted. I would love to try a Castified pair - that might very well be a setup I prefer over the Atris. They are fairly supportive, but easy to ski. I would not be surprised if they sell these by the boat load.

The Atris did not handle the heavily wind buffed pow we had in spots today with aplomb. I think I need to aggressively detune fore/aft of the contact points.

I also got to try Anima 189s. They were fun going straight, but a lot of work / noticeably heavy at slower speeds and when noodling around. I prefer MFree-118 to them by a mile - you loose no top end speed, but way less swing weight and equally strong on edge make MF118s easier to get along with imho. They did not have 182s, if they did I would have tried them as well.

And yes, the biggest takeaway is that I hate demo binders

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Sooth Ski measured it at 25.1m actual radius.

That’s probably why I like them so much. 25-30 meters is my sweet spot


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[outdoorsisfree]

which model Nocta?

I ended up not skiing the Atris at all today, A-B'ed Noctas and K2 Dispatch 120 186s instead.

Noctas are fun. They are not as chargy/capable in variable as Dispatch 120s imho, but they can still rally plenty hard with a forward to centered stance, while popping off stuff and slarving with ease. Nearly had a double eject after getting hung up / plating myself in a depression.

They do not have the effortless unsinkable float of BMT122s or ON3P C&Ds imho, but still float very well for their mount point. Great pow / soft snow ski imho. I've not skied them in deep fresh yet, though it seems like speed and a slight adjustment to the stance should make them more than capable enough. Happy that I went with 185s.

They actually do well on groomers, if not as well as the metal induced D120s.

I (unsurprisingly) really like them, though they would prob be even better / more versatile with a bit of camber

[kid-kapow]

which model Nocta?

v2 -> full rocker 26m r

[outdoorsisfree]

Will you get a chance to A/B with the v3?

[kid-kapow]

Will you get a chance to A/B with the v3?

sadly, no - not any time soon.

The camber comment above was made in jest. I bought these specifically as they are reverse camber, long radius skis. I have no real interest in the new ones.

The Noctas will fill the quiver slot of a wider playful easy-to-ski ski, a ski to contrast my Koala 119s, a very beefy ski

I went amok on the edges of my Atris tonight, will see if it helps.

[waxoff]

I went amok on the edges of my Atris tonight, will see if it helps.

It's my experience that this is a must on most rockered tips and tails, maybe more so on Crows. The Animas lost a lot of twichyness after detuning the edges on the rockered portions. Heck, on Anima, detuning only the edge portions sans steel will make for a noticeable difference, but round off the steel as well for better results.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Can someone give me the skinny on the Corvus?… and the just tell me to buy it. Chargy but pivoty? Sounds wonderful.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The Corvus is great. Jack of all trades and master of none. It’s Chargy, playful and can trench soft groomers. Surprising amount of energy in 3d snow, almost poppy. Handles crud, crust and hard wild snow well. Decent float in knee deep snow, better as it settles. They’re very quick.


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[halliday]

Corvus is my daily driver. It turns and pivots well. Short turns, big long turns, fast, slower, nice stiff tails, likes to charge. Its a great ski. Im 5'7" 180# and ski the 183. Its a comfortable ski. You need to buy a pair.

[SoVT Joey]

I too run the Corvus as my DD. It’s exactly as they both say about it. It’s a blast.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I’m sold.

[halliday]

Here is a smokin' deal if the 183 is what you are looking for. https://www.outdoorxl.com/black-crow...2-541x144-4028

[Pins and Skins]

not my sale, but this is a ridiculous deal if someone wants the shorty version of the Corvus:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...6508586255127/

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Here is a smokin' deal if the 183 is what you are looking for. https://www.outdoorxl.com/black-crow...2-541x144-4028

Thanks for the look!

Snagged a pair of the 188s (I’m 6’1 205) off corbetts for $590. Their whole line is on sale. No tax free ship. Prices are CAD so essentially 25% off of whatever the price is.

[halliday]

not my sale, but this is a ridiculous deal if someone wants the shorty version of the Corvus:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...6508586255127/

That's a great deal for sure. Too bad they are 176.

[lemmycaution]

Having been stubbornly devoted to another pair of do-everything skis for years, had a first day out on an Atris the other day. WIll not be looking back I do not think. Really nice ski and stoked to get them into other situations to see how they perform.

[kid-kapow]

I on the other hand have given up on the Atris.

I feel like the front and aft halves want to do different things in fresh/soft/variable snow - the front wants to float while the back end is too soft to stand up to it / be surfy making them feel locked in / weird / heavy - making them feel off for how I want to ski.

I feel like either making the shovels a bit narrower ( my preferred option) or the tails a bit wider while also umphing up the flex pattern could remedy the situation. A tad more splay out back wouldn't hurt either.

I can totally understand how mags with more forward lean, actual skiing technique and a more forward stance could get on with them really well though.

[RadSkier_]

I on the other hand have given up on the Atris.

I feel like the front and aft halves want to do different things in fresh/soft/variable snow - the front wants to float while the back end is too soft to stand up to it / be surfy making them feel locked in / weird / heavy - making them feel off for how I want to ski.

I feel like either making the shovels a bit narrower ( my preferred option) or the tails a bit wider while also umphing up the flex pattern could remedy the situation. A tad more splay out back wouldn't hurt either.

I can totally understand how mags with more forward lean, actual skiing technique and a more forward stance could get on with them really well though.

This year's version or the previous version? I found the old version to be meh until I figured out how to ski it but it took a bit of adjustment but it still never blew me away EXCEPT for how well it floated in deep snow.

I was hoping the new version would have been a significant update but it sounds like the changes are subtle and the ski still isn't worth the hefty price tag compared to other skis in its class.