If only there was something we could do...

[ex-powderbroker]

Here you go, shit for brains:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...oryId=92319314

[leroy jenkins]

Fuck your whataboutisims you disingenuous asshole.

How exactly am I disingenuous? And saying that our suicide epidemic won't be solved by making it a bit harder to get a gun is far from a whataboutism. Are you guys on some serious drugs or something?

[leroy jenkins]

Here you go, shit for brains:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...oryId=92319314

The very first paragraph says we haven't gotten much closer to understanding suicide. There is nothing in there that says that suicide would be 'solved' by making it a bit harder to get a gun. Perhaps improved, but you're crazy if you think it would be 'solved'. And funny enough, heres another article ALSO from NPR that contradicts that. Suicide in elderly caused by loneliness, isolation. https://www.npr.org/2019/07/27/74501...ing-to-suicide. How about this? 46% of people who die by suicide have a diagnosed mental health condition, and 90% experience a long history of symptoms of one?https://nami.org/mhstats

Yea, its healthy people just realizing they could go out and buy a gun and off themselves. The mere existence of guns does not make people mentally ill, and simply limiting access to them will not solve suicides or mental health problems. Thats crazy talk.

[ex-powderbroker]

Anderson says that suicide is an overwhelmingly impulsive act. He cites a study of survivors that said only 13 percent reported thinking about committing suicide for eight hours or longer; 70 percent said they thought about it for less than an hour; and a whopping 24 percent said the idea had occurred to them less than five minutes before their attempt.

For example, he notes in his magazine piece that states in which gun ownership are highest have the highest rates of suicide by gun; in fact, the higher rates of gun ownership closely track the higher rates of gun suicides by state. Yet suicide rates by other means remain roughly similar.

(this is the most famous example of taking away the method)


Anderson points to another example where simply making a change in people's access to instruments of suicide dramatically lowered the suicide rate. In England, death by asphyxiation from breathing oven fumes had accounted for roughly half of all suicides up until the 1970s, when Britain began converting ovens from coal gas, which contains lots of carbon monoxide, to natural gas, which has almost none. During that time, suicides plummeted roughly 30 percent — and the numbers haven't changed since.


So contrast that with what you said "You really think making guns a little harder to purchase will "solve" the suicide problem?"

Yes, all of the evidence points to taking away preferred methods for an opportunistic ailment and it goes down.

you said "solve"

I said make it look like Canada

Besides having a gun fetish you are an argumentative dolt that never reads anything people write and are just here to make assumptions and an ass out of yourself.

If you bothered reading this thread you would know that I, like others here, are missing two friends to gun suicide. Their deaths were preventable in any place that doesn't normalize gun fetish b.s. like you insist on.

Go ahead and post another four times to prove to everyone your a fucking moron, i'll just start skipping them again.

[nickwm21]

The thought that stricter gun control would “solve” suicide is just as naive as the thought that stricter gun control would not have an affect on suicide rates.


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[leroy jenkins]

Anderson says that suicide is an overwhelmingly impulsive act. He cites a study of survivors that said only 13 percent reported thinking about committing suicide for eight hours or longer; 70 percent said they thought about it for less than an hour; and a whopping 24 percent said the idea had occurred to them less than five minutes before their attempt.

For example, he notes in his magazine piece that states in which gun ownership are highest have the highest rates of suicide by gun; in fact, the higher rates of gun ownership closely track the higher rates of gun suicides by state. Yet suicide rates by other means remain roughly similar.

(this is the most famous example of taking away the method)


Anderson points to another example where simply making a change in people's access to instruments of suicide dramatically lowered the suicide rate. In England, death by asphyxiation from breathing oven fumes had accounted for roughly half of all suicides up until the 1970s, when Britain began converting ovens from coal gas, which contains lots of carbon monoxide, to natural gas, which has almost none. During that time, suicides plummeted roughly 30 percent — and the numbers haven't changed since.


So contrast that with what you said "You really think making guns a little harder to purchase will "solve" the suicide problem?"

Yes, all of the evidence points to taking away preferred methods for an opportunistic ailment and it goes down.

you said "solve"

I said make it look like Canada

Besides having a gun fetish you are an argumentative dolt that never reads anything people write and are just here to make assumptions and an ass out of yourself.

If you bothered reading this thread you would know that I, like others here, are missing two friends to gun suicide. Their deaths were preventable in any place that doesn't normalize gun fetish b.s. like you insist on.

Go ahead and post another four times to prove to everyone your a fucking moron, i'll just start skipping them again.

Hey I'm kinda just reacting to the word choice of the word "solve". They didn't say improve they said solve.

Only 30% of women and 50% of men use a firearm to commit suicide, so even if those numbers went to zero, it wouldn't solve the problem.

And yes I read your source the first time you posted it. Posting it again in bold doesn't do much. Are you just saying it louder? I'm not deaf.

[neufox47]

Maybe not but you sure are dumb.


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[Core Shot]

Lots of lives could be saved, in lots of different ways, if less people had guns.

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https://x.com/phil_lewis_/status/169...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

4 years old?

Firearm safety at that age is don’t touch it. Wtf!

[SumJongGuy]

Disingenuous because starting with the personal desired outcome of "keep my guns" instead of what's best for society and searching for and trying to twist the evidence to support that persona desired outcome instead of reading it at face value.. Oh the sky is blue, that means it's better for us to carry guns everywhere.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Leroy Jenkins, willful ignorance savant


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[riser4]

Disingenuous because starting with the personal desired outcome of "keep my guns" instead of what's best for society and searching for and trying to twist the evidence to support that persona desired outcome instead of reading it at face value.. Oh the sky is blue, that means it's better for us to carry guns everywhere.

This. My stance on guns has gone 180° in 30 years. It changed only once I realized I was being selfish. Sure, I personally would love to own anything I want. Guess what? That's fucking selfish. Instead of bans for certain weapons, I'd prefer more of an NFA approach. However, it's not about me.

[SumJongGuy]

This. My stance on guns has gone 180° in 30 years. It changed only once I realized I was being selfish. Sure, I personally would love to own anything I want. Guess what? That's fucking selfish. Instead of bans for certain weapons, I'd prefer more of an NFA approach. However, it's not about me.

Exactly! I would 100% feel safer carrying a gun some places, and having one in my car for the inevitable road rage assholes.. But, it's a fact that ALL OF US get pissed off once in awhile and all of us having a gun handy all the time is just plain fucked up.

I'd never forgive myself if my gun was easily stolen from my car or I left it someplace else not super secured. So I just suck it up buttercup and live life out in public totally gun free all the time. (except the range. I don't hunt anymore either).

Our elected leaders need to grow some balls and end this fucking madness. I DGAF if it takes awhile to weed out all the illegal shit that would take longer to clean up.

[ex-powderbroker]

But, it's a fact that ALL OF US get pissed off once in awhile and all of us having a gun handy all the time is just plain fucked up.

Read those stats about how impulsive suicide is.

The guns don’t go in mouths if they aren’t in reach.

[SumJongGuy]

Read those stats about how impulsive suicide is.

The guns don’t go in mouths if they aren’t in reach.

It's so fucking easy to get a gun around here... Maybe 30 minutes of jiggling car door handles tops. And if you're suicidal you DFAG about getting caught. But, honestly as much as I'd hate for immediate family or a close friend to succeed at that (2 attempts immediate family already), I'd much rather they just do that WITHOUT TAKING OTHERS AROUND THEM OUT FIRST.

We can't stop someone hell bent on killing themselves, but we can sure make it a little harder... Make sure you do your best to tell them they are loved.. but with mental illness it doesn't always work..

[leroy jenkins]

Disingenuous because starting with the personal desired outcome of "keep my guns" instead of what's best for society and searching for and trying to twist the evidence to support that persona desired outcome instead of reading it at face value.. Oh the sky is blue, that means it's better for us to carry guns everywhere.

Or I just actually disagree about what is best for society. I've stated my position many times in this thread. When armed governments start killing their people the death tolls jump into the tens of millions. Those numbers are way higher than civilians killing each other in the last 100 years.

But yea, ya know, no one could EVAR disagree with you without being stupid crazy or a liar. Thats a pretty good cop out to avoid ever having to actually think about your beliefs.

Just like this assertion that suicides would be 'solved' by just making guns harder to get. Its a cop out, some mental gymnastics that allows one to avoid ever having to actually think about real solutions to the very real suicide epidemic. Just grrrrrr guns bad blame guns and gun owners.

[leroy jenkins]

Read those stats about how impulsive suicide is.

The guns don’t go in mouths if they aren’t in reach.

If people really want to kill themselves they will find a way. Plenty already use methods other than guns. Hanging and poisoning aren't anything that hard to do.

[riser4]

Exactly! I would 100% feel safer carrying a gun some places, and having one in my car for the inevitable road rage assholes.. But, it's a fact that ALL OF US get pissed off once in awhile and all of us having a gun handy all the time is just plain fucked up.

I'd never forgive myself if my gun was easily stolen from my car or I left it someplace else not super secured. So I just suck it up buttercup and live life out in public totally gun free all the time. (except the range. I don't hunt anymore either).

Our elected leaders need to grow some balls and end this fucking madness. I DGAF if it takes awhile to weed out all the illegal shit that would take longer to clean up.

You do you. I absolutely do not feel safer carrying a gun. Last thing I want is one with me in a road rage situation.

[SumJongGuy]

You do you. I absolutely do not feel safer carrying a gun. Last thing I want is one with me in a road rage situation.

Yep. Guns, if anywhere, belong securely locked up AT HOME. I'd rather be a victim than share some responsibility for a tragedy/crime.

[ex-powderbroker]

Leroy says some dumb shit "If people really want to kill themselves they will find a way"

Yes! But of course, suicides are mostly impulsive and that ignores that there are preferred methods. Most people who want to kill themselves at one moment, don't necessarily want to the next day. Read again what happened when they banned the preferred method in England, they went down 30%.

It is an act of opportunity, and guns are the current efficient and preferred method.

I love it how you're like "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SUICIDE" even though it's come up many times, and when your shown how making guns harder to get would reduce suicides you get all "it wont work anwyay i love mah guns too much". I thought you were an expert on law and suicides already?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1%E2%80%931.02).

fuck you you fucking fuck

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy says some dumb shit "If people really want to kill themselves they will find a way"

Yes! But of course, suicides are mostly impulsive and that ignores that there are preferred methods. Most people who want to kill themselves at one moment, don't necessarily want to the next day. Read again what happened when they banned the preferred method in England, they went down 30%.

It is an act of opportunity, and guns are the current efficient and preferred method.

I love it how you're like "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SUICIDE" even though it's come up many times, and when your shown how making guns harder to get would reduce suicides you get all "it wont work anwyay i love mah guns too much". I thought you were an expert on law and suicides already?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1%E2%80%931.02).

fuck you you fucking fuck

I didn't say no one is talking about suicide, I said no one is talking about any possible solutions other than gun control. 30% is a huge number, but its not 'solving' it as someone said a couple pages ago. Thats the thing I had to point out, even if guns disappeared overnight it wouldn't 'solve' suicide. 30% is great but its not 'solved'.

You guys are really angry. Every time I come back here you all seem crazier.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy says some dumb shit "If people really want to kill themselves they will find a way"

Yes! But of course, suicides are mostly impulsive and that ignores that there are preferred methods. Most people who want to kill themselves at one moment, don't necessarily want to the next day. Read again what happened when they banned the preferred method in England, they went down 30%.

It is an act of opportunity, and guns are the current efficient and preferred method.

I love it how you're like "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SUICIDE" even though it's come up many times, and when your shown how making guns harder to get would reduce suicides you get all "it wont work anwyay i love mah guns too much". I thought you were an expert on law and suicides already?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1%E2%80%931.02).

fuck you you fucking fuck

Ya know, your link doesn't really say what you said it does. 30% overall reduction would be great, but for one, it only says it reduced suicide BY FIREARMS, and not overall suicide rates. Two, its not even about the UK. Its a study about the US.

[bennymac]

Maybe also take time to appreciate the red bars on this graph - and then, when you blame it on “gangs” - explain how it is that no other country listed has “gangs”

[CarlMega]

This. My stance on guns has gone 180° in 30 years. It changed only once I realized I was being selfish. Sure, I personally would love to own anything I want. Guess what? That's fucking selfish. Instead of bans for certain weapons, I'd prefer more of an NFA approach. However, it's not about me.

I, too, had a similar change of thought. As one matures, the importance of convenience in getting what you want, when you want is diminished and, hopefully, you begin to weigh what benefits of society - making efforts to leave it better than you found it. This used to be the virtue of wisdom and experience. These days, it's hard to expect the nobility of self-restraint and that's sad.

Regardless, being cavalier about one's responsibility is an abhorrent quality. That's a low-standard IMHO and yet I see poor personal conduct in many of gun-fetish crowd. Reckless. What bothers me is that there is critical mass of people who are so entrenched in their 'rights' that they dismiss responsibility - and that's too far of a leap to 'yes, you are a responsible gun owner but you're going to need to take one for Team USA and put up with some constraints and delays because there's a bad element that is simply fucking it all up and a danger to society'. That selflessness is rarer than it should be.

[mcski]

No one said solved. You’re just another obstinate thread cunter that thrives on red herrings and straw men arguments

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Maybe also take time to appreciate the red bars on this graph - and then, when you blame it on “gangs” - explain how it is that no other country listed has “gangs”

no other country has chicago
#checkmatelibs