If only there was something we could do...

[m2711c]

Unfortunately, we can’t even get people to vote or to show up for jury duty. If they’re not willing to take on the basic responsibilities of being a citizen, I doubt they’re going to take any kind of responsibility being a gun owner.

People are quick to list their rights, but you never hear them talk about their responsibilities.


right leroy?

[Meadow Skipper]

Start by saying serious question. Finish with textboock strawman argument that literally no one is making, directed at no one in particular.

Have fun screaming at clouds.

An oldie, but so apt.

[waxman]

We need to go back to the way handguns (and military stile weapons) were regulated in the 50s.

Sounds great, before my time but mail order belt fed machine guns, anti-tank rifles and light machine guns (all I want is a BREN gun) would be awesome.

[schuss]

An oldie, but so apt.

I also love his intimation that he loads his gun before going to the range. Can't wait for the footie of him shooting his own dick off because he tripped at the door.

[Meadow Skipper]

A good article on how lawmakers worked to strengthen the NRA and circumvent democracy.

Enabling minority rule is dangerous and anti-democratic.

[TBS]

Yes it is
And sadly it’s a feature of the American experiment

[TBS]

Opinion piece from NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/o...smid=url-share

People Get Scared and Buy a Gun. Here’s What Happens Next.
Excerpt

The economist Stephen Billings looked at residents of Charlotte, N.C. and the surrounding county who received concealed-carry permits. He found that during the year he tracked them, people who had a permit were no less likely to be victims of violent crime than people who didn’t have one. But the concealed carriers were substantially more likely to report being the victim of a property crime — and what the criminals often took was one of their guns.

Stolen guns are sometimes trafficked out of state, but more commonly circulate locally, where they may be used to commit additional offenses. As a result, each concealed-carry permit increased the violent crime rate in the neighborhood by about 2 percent. (Dr. Billings noted that if the owners had simply practiced better gun safety, such an increase would have blunted.) Guns that wind up in the wrong hands also make crime more lethal.

[From_the_NEK]

Opinion piece from NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/o...smid=url-share

People Get Scared and Buy a Gun. Here’s What Happens Next.
Excerpt

....shocked face...

[SumJongGuy]

Same source..

The Largest Source of Stolen Guns? Parked Cars.

And yes, I will keep stumping on this same guns in cars rant until its highly illegal for anyone but an actual cop or professional security guard to roll with a loaded handgun in their car. It should be just as illegal for me to have a gun in my car is it is for the punk who stole yours from your car..

There's an echo in here, but it's a good echo..

Opinion piece from NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/o...smid=url-share

People Get Scared and Buy a Gun. Here’s What Happens Next.
Excerpt

[TBS]

https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2...y-killed-self/

EUREKA, Mont. (KTVZ) – A 40-year-old Bend man was shot and killed at a Montana boat ramp Wednesday afternoon during an argument with a Montana man who later shot and killed himself, the Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office reported.

Sheriff’s deputies and detectives and Eureka Police officers were dispatched around 3:15 p.m. to the Rexford Bench boat launch on a report of a shooting, Sheriff Darren Short said.
They arrived to learn a verbal dispute occurred between two men who were loading boats at the boat ramp.
Short said Eric Newman of Bend got back in his vehicle to back down the boat ramp when the other man, Christopher Foster, 51, of Kalispell, pulled a handgun and shot Newman.

Article in Bend Bulletin on the deceased
https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2...ed-in-montana/

So fucking sad.

Obviously the shooter lacked the (a)emotional control, and (b)inability to discern violent threats, to own a firearm.

I don’t worry at all about being a crime victim, despite our roughly 3% homeless rate. It’s the “good guys with guns” that scare me.

[SumJongGuy]

If you really just want to defend yourself but not kill anyone then why not this??

https://nakestores.com/products/byrn...rnia-compliant

[riser4]

Full auto, hi-cap, in an SBR/PDW form factor and I'm in. I need the stock for better aim, my hands aren't steady. I had actually considered an auto-cocker "paintball" build for this very application. There are fin stabilized inert rounds available. Plus the larger air reservoir is useful.

[riser4]

If you really just want to defend yourself but not kill anyone then why not this??

https://nakestores.com/products/byrn...rnia-compliant

"In the face!" - the Hangover

[pfluffenmeister]

....shocked face...

I miss The Mime.

[SumJongGuy]

The downside of C02 guns, I have several, is that if you leave them fully ready to fire, the pressure fades over time. For self defense you really have to just leave the cartridge in place but not quite pierced,, i.e. a couple twists of the screw (3-5 seconds) before it's fully ready to make someone wish they sere dead. 15-20 shots tops before it's no longer effective power.

[riser4]

The downside of C02 guns, I have several, is that if you leave them fully ready to fire, the pressure fades over time. For self defense you really have to just leave the cartridge in place but not quite pierced,, i.e. a couple twists of the screw (3-5 seconds) before it's fully ready to make someone wish they sere dead. 15-20 shots tops before it's no longer effective power.

That's why gunpowder is so useful for this application.

[SumJongGuy]

That's why gunpowder is so useful for this application.

So simple toddlers can use that platform..

[riser4]

So simple toddlers can use that platform..

Yes, toddlers have shot people with unsecured guns. Fact.

[Meadow Skipper]

This will be interesting.
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...da197e47b.html

Family members of a 13-year-old Questa girl police say was shot to death by a 14-year-old acquaintance held a march last week to raise awareness of gun safety laws in the wake of her death — particularly a new one titled the Bennie Hargrove Gun Safety Act.

[…]

Under the law, which became effective in June, a gun owner who negligently stores a weapon that is accessed by a minor and used to commit great bodily harm or death — as is alleged in the Questa case — can be found guilty of a fourth-degree felony, punishable by up to 18 months in jail.

[…]

According to a probable cause statement, Archuleta and three other minors, including Brown’s 14-year-old son, Porfirio Brown, were at Brown’s home when the boy produced a pistol, pointed it at her and fired.

I guess I think it will be interesting because of assholes like this attorney.

Criminal defense attorney Kelly Golightly, who isn’t involved in the Brown case, said in a phone interview Thursday the new law hasn’t been tested in New Mexico’s courts yet, making it ripe for challenge.

Golightly called the law a roundabout approach by the state to regulating a right that is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

“The bill was supposed to be about taking common sense steps to protect our kids,” she said. “But guns in a house are legal ... it’s a Second Amendment-protected right. People who have guns do so because they are American citizens, and they are allowed to ... and now, instead of going after the issue, we are trying to limit law-abiding citizens from being able to house these same weapons they able to hold.”

If Brown were her client, Golightly said, she’d be asking “What act did my client do or fail to do that was illegal?

“A law needs to put people on notice their actions are criminal,” she added. “So what was criminal? There is a lot to be asked about this. At what point does our right to bear arms become infringed upon when we say, ‘Yes, you have the right to have a gun, but you can’t use the gun because you kept it so thoroughly away from yourself and your family that nobody can access that gun?’ I think there is a big question there.”

[ex-powderbroker]

It's mah right to store my loaded gun under my pillow despite young kids in the house.


if i can't do that we might as well have communism. we are living in a basically communist country right now.

coming to tv news

[SumJongGuy]

Because "well regulated" was never suppose to be God's will when She wrote The Constitution..

[mcski]

[muted reborn]

That poor guy at the boat ramp got shot over what? Boat ramp etiquette because some nut job felt he needed to pack a pistol to go recreate on a river and couldn't control his emotions.

Sure seems to me that we have an armed fearful society, not an armed polite society.

Shit is fucked.

his kids saw him get killed. and his 3 nephews and/or nieces saw it too. shit is fucked indeed.

[skaredshtles]

Why are they assuming the toddler was a male?

[byates1]

^ lol!