If only there was something we could do...

[exsparky]

short barrel rifles and pistols are both all the rage these days
("rage" is used fully ironically here)

Pistol braces are now banned.
He has an SBR. Which it seems he illegally converted his to or bought. Steven 's boy rifles never came with a 14.5" barrel.
At best he had a handi gun from a factory which was not grandfathered in.

[exsparky]

They've been selling Mossberg shockwave s and Remington tac 14, short barreled shotgun. Classified as " other" . Not illegal.

Those are just loop hole guns made in the last 10 years barely skinning the rules by design. People like to find loop holes and always will.




Ted stop talking, do something.

I knew Alexa Bartell, I'm not sure how to stop rocks or bad people.

[Buzzworthy]

edit. Wolley knows it's legal. Now don't you feel dumb?

Not one bit, nope.

[J. Barron DeJong]

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16" for rifle or 18" for a shotgun.

Wooly knows the gun is illegal across the nation to have and has been for 89 years. He posted this as a taunt knowing the forum is just full of big talk and no action types.

So, he says it’s a 14-1/2” barrel, but my guess (maybe wrong) is that it’s a 1910 Little Scout 14 1/2, which has a 18” or 20” barrel:



So yeah if it’s been modified it could be an issue, but has it been?

[SumJongGuy]

I had a plinkster for a while..

[TBS]

What you say brother TBS is very likely true (although I'm hoping your last comment regarding poor southern blacks isn't..).
But how bout this:
- A bunch of you (like 4 million) march on Washington and say enough is a fucking nuff.
- 300,000 (a good number if you said Michigan is 10 million, so say 3 % of a state's population) of you march on your state capitols saying stop this fucking nonsense NOW!
I would truly hope your idiot fucking legislators (for the most part it's the red ones I see as the problem here) would take notice?

I realize these are big numbers but FFS your citizens and their children are being slaughtered.

Yeah, the comment about poor southern blacks was a bad-taste reference to how fast Reagan-governed California started regulating firearms when Black Panthers started carrying in public in mid-60s

As far as rallies at Capitols, they happen. There was a huge one in DC after the Parkland FL shooting. One of the students, David Hogg, has been a relentless advocate for direct action. Sadly, any legislative action requires GOP support, which just ain’t gonna happen - they are unelectable without the rabid base, and they lack the courage to do the right thing.

The other part is that legislative action gets stymied by activist judges - like here in OR that I noted upthread. Maybe they can’t reverse the law, but they can slow down the implementation. Another form of disenfranchisement

About the only action I can see is vote all republicans out of office. Not at all confident that’s ever gonna happen in the southeastern states. Posting this article again, to give you a better idea of the worldviews of the various regions making up the USA.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...lence-00092413

I just finished his book “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America.” Highly recommended

[Peruvian]

[riser4]

Yeah, the comment about poor southern blacks was a bad-taste reference to how fast Reagan-governed California started regulating firearms when Black Panthers started carrying in public in mid-60s

As far as rallies at Capitols, they happen. There was a huge one in DC after the Parkland FL shooting. One of the students, David Hogg, has been a relentless advocate for direct action. Sadly, any legislative action requires GOP support, which just ain’t gonna happen - they are unelectable without the rabid base, and they lack the courage to do the right thing.

The other part is that legislative action gets stymied by activist judges - like here in OR that I noted upthread. Maybe they can’t reverse the law, but they can slow down the implementation. Another form of disenfranchisement

About the only action I can see is vote all republicans out of office. Not at all confident that’s ever gonna happen in the southeastern states. Posting this article again, to give you a better idea of the worldviews of the various regions making up the USA.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...lence-00092413

I just finished his book “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America.” Highly recommended

I don't have the wherewithal to read the book.

I'm sort of in disbelief that the cultures seeded through those settlement patterns would have such a lasting impact to the level where it increases the likelihood of shootings. On the surface it seems like two or three centuries would mitigate that. Sure, I get how the culture influenced the laws and institutions. It's how we get systemic racism, classism, sexism, etc. However there's been a lot of internal migration and external immigration since then. So for it to be a root factor is a bit mind-blowing and very depressing.

[Harry]

The barrel is too short. That gun has been illegal since 1934. Nice to see 89 years of gun laws totally unenforced and bragged about while the righteous claim they want more rules no one will enforce.

Ban wooley and report him to the atf or shut up.

Aren’t you the guy who violated federal law and got your gun seized by the feds ? Then bitched about it here ?

GTFO with your wanting to ban people.


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[garyfromterrace]

California started regulating firearms when Black Panthers started carrying in public in mid-60s

As far as rallies at Capitols, they happen. There was a huge one in DC after the Parkland FL shooting. One of the students, David Hogg, has been a relentless advocate for direct action. Sadly, any legislative action requires GOP support, which just ain’t gonna happen - they are unelectable without the rabid base, and they lack the courage to do the right thing.



About the only action I can see is vote all republicans out of office. Not at all confident that’s ever gonna happen in the southeastern states.

Respectfully disagree with you a bit on this. The rally you've referred to: "Estimates of participation at the main event in Washington, D.C., range from 200,000 to 800,000.[68][69][70]

I'm talking 3 million should attend. Seriously.

And why does every Republican need to be defeated for any change to occur. Every elected official does not have the power of veto. You just need to get rid of most of those disingenuous fucktards. And I realize this is difficult what with the gerrymandering done. Again, the left/center needs to get organized and shit like far left spoilers (looking at you Bernie) need to withdraw in races to ensure the far right loses.

Strategic voting is real and works. People need to get engaged, apathy needs to stop.

Case in point: I disagree with Canada's federal electoral system because a party can woefully lose the popular vote, yet gain a majority in government. This is bullshit and makes millions of people's votes inconsequential.

The liberals ran in the 2017 (ish) election with electoral reform as part of their platform and got millions of votes due to this. They reneged on this promise.
A movement was formed (which I joined) to put pressure on the government to get electoral reform back on the government's agenda. I hung 500 door knob hangers up on houses throughout my town (as did numerous other folks engaged in this direct action. Folks were encouraged to notify their MP (minister of parliament ie elected federal representatives) that this was an important election issue and that people's vote could hinge on the parties stance on this issue).

Fast forward to this morning and low and behold I got a notification that the Liberals (the governing party currently in the country) now has electoral reform back on the party's agenda.

Couple of points:
- is it a done deal? No, but at least it's back on the table and there is very significant public momentum for electoral reform so the Liberals can't ignore this (it WILL be an election issue again next election).
- Was this initiative a product of garyfromterrace's getting off his ass and hanging signs on door handles. No, of course not. But, it was a product of a couple of thousand garyfromterrace's from all over the country getting pissed off with their vote not counting, a political party lieing about their election platform, enough that they performed a direct action that got people contacting their elected officials and saying "we're mad as hell and are not going to take it any more" and "we will not vote for you unless electoral reform is part of your platform.

End rant/

[::: :::]

You just need to get rid of most of those disingenuous fucktards.

they are 51% of our representation in the House & 49% in the Senate

while gerrymandered in many ways, they still represent a significant chunk of the electorate who does earnestly support them

the challenge is changing the the electorate's outlook and opinions enough that the numbers in representation change

not easy, despite how seemingly obvious it is that the fucktards are fucktards

the attitude to some people is that "they may be fucktards, but they are our fucktards"

[garyfromterrace]

they are 51% of our representation in the House & 49% in the Senate
"

Ok. Now, what were the % of eligible voters who didn't vote?
"Our" side (the non-fucktardian camp), needs to get the vote out. What would your numbers be if everyone who is anti-fucktardian voted that way and you had 100% (or close to it) voter turnout.

Apathy kills and in the question of gun access - literally.

[SumJongGuy]

It's hard to get young people motivated when everything at the local district levels is so ridiculously gerrymandered that 100% turnout still loses if the other side gets 50% turnout. That leaves only federal senator and POTUSA where the party not already in power has a fair chance of winning.

[garyfromterrace]

It's hard to get young people motivated when everything at the local district levels is so ridiculously gerrymandered that 100% turnout still loses if the other side gets 50% turnout..

Jebus. Didn't know it was that fucked. Seriously, every local district in america? Can't the gerrymandering be reversed by state decree? I find it hard to fall back on the "there's nothing we can do" argument for anything ANYTHING in this world SJG.

Ok, back to my original thought then. Ridiculously large (the likes of which have never been seen) public protests at federal and state capitals.
Engagement.
Abolishing apathy.

[Meadow Skipper]

Well, Jesus Fucking Christ.
Police Respond to Reports of Gunfire at Texas Outlet Mall
If only there was something we could do.

[MakersTeleMark]

Jebus. Didn't know it was that fucked. Seriously, every local district in america? Can't the gerrymandering be reversed by state decree? I find it hard to fall back on the "there's nothing we can do" argument for anything ANYTHING in this world SJG.

Ok, back to my original thought then. Ridiculously large (the likes of which have never been seen) public protests at federal and state capitals.
Engagement.
Abolishing apathy.

I think you completely fail to comprehend that the majority of Americans do not want any gun regulation and are OK with living with the consequences of that.

[::: :::]

I think you completely fail to comprehend that the majority of Americans do not want any gun regulation and are OK with living with the consequences of that.

I’m not sure that’s true
But it certainly a large voting segment

[Buzzworthy]

I’m not sure that’s true
But it certainly a large voting segment

It certainly seems very plausible.
Every fucking day we have another mass shooting.
It’s fucking pathetic how this country cares so much for guns. Sickening

[J. Barron DeJong]

I think you completely fail to comprehend that the majority of Americans do not want any gun regulation and are OK with living with the consequences of that.

[MakersTeleMark]

^^^ wow, serious science there.

Now take a look at reality.

[Bunion 2020]

Police in Allen, Tex., were responding to reports of an “active shooter” at the Allen Premium Outlets, a dispatcher told The Washington Post on Saturday evening. The congressman who represents the area said a suspect is "down and there are multiple casualties,” but authorities were still working to ensure the scene was safe.

In a statement Saturday afternoon, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) called the incident an "unspeakable tragedy,” and offered “the full support of the State of Texas to local officials to ensure all needed assistance and resources are swiftly deployed as long as the shooter and the victims are legal and not brown.”

I think you completely fail to comprehend that the majority of Americans do not want any gun regulation and are OK with living with the consequences of that.

That is called opinion, not reality.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, I don't buy it either. There are three distinct groups: gunz fuck yeah, hell no, and total apathy.

If I had to venture a guess, it'd be fuck yeah is the largest single group, but a slim minority compared to the whole.

[MakersTeleMark]

That is called opinion, not reality.

[MakersTeleMark]

Yeah, I don't buy it either. There are three distinct groups: gunz fuck yeah, hell no, and total apathy.

If I had to venture a guess, it'd be fuck yeah is the largest single group, but a slim minority compared to the whole.

Which group are you in?

[J. Barron DeJong]

Interesting that you guys would rather go by feels than listening to what people have to say?

I think majority are in favor of gun control. I think the 2A guys are more vocal and better funded though. And I think political structures and incentives allow them to have more influence than their numbers alone would suggest.