If only there was something we could do...

[TBS]

Not sure one shot through the front window constitutes ‘shot up’, but yeah, people with histories of mental illness should not have access to guns.

I’ve said it before and still believe that All it would take is a large percentage of POCs to open carry and Will would have new gun control legislation within a year

You mean like in 1960s California?


https://californialocal.com/localnew...lack-panthers/

[leroy jenkins]

We're only banning things that are highly dangerous while providing ZERO positive net social utility. Cars and just about every other whataboutism provides immense value to society.. Guns just make people act like assholes and kill other people when they lose their shit. That's about it..

Rocks? Ya, good luck. You can keep the rocks.. and sling shots..

You're wrong. There absolutely have been mass shootings prevented by people with guns even if they don't get reported as loudly as the ones that succeed with their plans do, articles are easy to find.

You're absolutely right gun ownership is not unequivocally good and comes with downsides but you if you're so right you should be able to still be right without completely ignoring reality. You shouldn't need a BPD level of black and white thinking to make your views make sense. You are free to argue the cost outweighs the benefits but its insane to argue there are absolutely no benefits. Its not even opinion its objectively not reality.

[leroy jenkins]

Are you saying we should not require cars and drivers to be regulated, licensed, and insured? Because I think we should require guns and gun owners to be regulated, licensed, and insured,

Or are you just being disingenuous? (<-yes)

Also, unlike guns cars and the other things you mentioned have legitimate purpose and use, where guns are only for killing, just killing.

Stop now Leroy, you’re only making a fool of yourself. It’s not a good look for you.

You can buy a car at any age, there's no restriction, and operate it on private land however you see fit. There's absolutely no restrictions to how you can modify a car for use on private property or a closed track. You can transport it freely either concealed in a trailer or openly on a trailer.

If you want to use that analogy don't make a fool of yourself.

Guns are for killing and also protecting.

[altacoup]

I’ve said it before and still believe that All it would take is a large percentage of POCs to open carry and Will would have new gun control legislation within a year

The panthers already proved that to be true.


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[leroy jenkins]

Regarding “what has changed in society” is that the over-enthusiastic gun manufacturing lobby taught a whole swath of irresponsible people that they deserve and need guns and that they can defend their perceived freedoms however they define them behind the patriotic, macho end of a firearm.

The irresponsible stupid people were always here. The mentally ill were always here. The bullied angry loners were always here. The easily duped useful idiots were always here.

They are just legally armed now. The cat is out of the bag, and every dumb shit can get access and do whatever the fuck they want cuz they are empowered to push their selfish whims on the public at large.

What has changed is propaganda pushed heavily by the gun manufacturers & their purchased legislators salivating at motivated financial donors. That intentionally divisive propaganda says real Americans need and use guns in daily society. Gun sales follow each manufactured 2A panic.

And now we have politically fraught tribalism defined by gun/no-gun lines, road rage, parking rage, lawn rage, doorbell rage, self-styled operators, armed rubes worried about phantom busloads of antifa coming to destroy their tiny downtowns, volunteer property protection, voter intimidation, school board intimidation, protest intimidation, private unregulated militias, kidnapping plans for opposing political party leaders, insurrection planning, etc.

It is fucking stupid, and it is no mystery.


Regular people are tired of it. Larger public perception is slowly changing every day on the 2A by both:
a) the public: the public’s patience with random shootings by enabled angry morons, and
b) gun owners: gun owners aren’t proud of these idiots and can see that plausible deniability for the 2A is crumbling slowly with this course of events. And they have always quietly understood the entirely predictable public danger of unregulated lethality.

There is a whole class of people who don’t want a ban, but do see regulation as entirely reasonable, and they are growing and will rewrite laws eventually. They will join with the gun ban crowd if gun owners continue to pursue the no compromises path. Then gun owners may end up with de facto bans.

Honestly i have noticed some aspects of gun culture become more toxic and weird alpha broish, but I also think you're incredibly simple minded if you think that is THE change that drives violence in this society. I've also noticed gun culture as a whole become more inclusive and less racist. I'd say this dichotomy is more about the outliers for all kinds of polarity becoming more extreme even though the majority of people are becoming less so.

Even most "mass shootings" are drug related, and absolutely most violence in this country.

[leroy jenkins]

Worse. There are way more of them, they're a larger percentage of society, and they hold more positions of power.

I think they feel more alone and more antipathic towards society in general. There was a time the loners went off and became fur trappers or counter culture icons. I think mass shooters are an effect of many things but one thing is a crisis of purposelessness and meaninglessness.

[leroy jenkins]

Selling fear is the name of the game. I am FB friends with 2 GQPers on FB that I've never met IRL. A hard hat construction manager from East Palistine who does roof repair in Puerto Rico and the wife of a retired NYPD detective. They post multiple video shorts every day selling them fear In the past 8 years it's been first Muslims then Illegals, Addicts, Homeless, BLM, masks. Currently it's the lack of manly men ending life as we know it.

Don't you think the fear of gun owners that you're all buying is part of the fear they're selling?

The US is LESS violence now than in the 90s. You and I hashed this out a few pages back. Yet theres far more fear. The outliers of all kinds of polarities are getting more extreme but for many issues that is actually countered by the majority of people becoming less extreme.

but yea fear gun owners as if things are more violent now than they've ever been even though thats not reality.

Everyone whos conditioned to fear thinks THEIR fear is completely rational. Its the other peoples fear thats crazy. I choose love over fear and have empathy for all of you even though I see many of you need to misconstrue reality to make your views work.

[Meadow Skipper]

You can buy a car at any age, there's no restriction, and operate it on private land however you see fit. There's absolutely no restrictions to how you can modify a car for use on private property or a closed track. You can transport it freely either concealed in a trailer or openly on a trailer.

If you want to use that analogy don't make a fool of yourself.

Guns are for killing and also protecting.

Don’t be disingenuous, fool. If there are laws (restrictions) that require you keep your guns on private property at any age, I’m not aware of those. Care to point us to them? Those things you just pointed to have absolutely NO relevance to the discussion of requiring registration, licenses, and liability insurance for guns. Time for you to stfu.

Even most "mass shootings" are drug related, and absolutely most violence in this country.

JFC. Sandy Hook was drug related? Columbine? Uvalde, Cleveland TX, Atlanta, Las Vegas? Stop being such a moron.

Here, look at this and tell us how most of these are drug related.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r...hooting?page=1

[leroy jenkins]

Naw.. We're about to make it 100% legal for EVERYONE not on parole to carry concealed, no permit, no training, no sherrif's department background check for handgun purchases. .. fucking free for all with everyone packing.. 'MURIKA!!

Is the answer to ban guns and have business get looted regularly and shut down like in cali and nyc? Regular random mall group jumpings like in cali?

Like many things the answer is balance.

Personally I'm so ok with POC having guns. Women too. I went on a date with a woman who informed me she was carrying a few months ago. Actually I was really surprised she seemed very granolaish but in many ways it was one of the least stressful least anxious dates i've been on in a long time. Didn't really go anywhere as I wasn't sticking around the area, just a fleeting thing and the connection felt more platonic, but often with women I get anxious from worrying about their anxiety level and if they feel safe etc etc but with her there was none of that. She mentioned she was carrying, after it came up in conversation that her dog we were walking wouldn't protect her from anything and she had seen mnt lions around, and it was her job to protect the dog, she saw me be perfectly ok with it, trust her and not feel any fear, and we both got to feel zero anxiety about the situation and perfectly safe. It changed the whole dynamic in a great way.

Fuck that was a bad run on sentence.

[leroy jenkins]

Don’t be disingenuous, fool. If there are laws (restrictions) that require you keep your guns on private property at any age, I’m not aware of those. Care to point us to them? Those things you just pointed to have absolutely NO relevance to the discussion of requiring registration, licenses, and liability insurance for guns. Time for you to stfu.


JFC. Sandy Hook was drug related? Columbine? Uvalde, Cleveland TX, Atlanta, Las Vegas? Stop being such a moron.

Here, look at this and tell us how most of these are drug related.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r...hooting?page=1

Well that was my point. Is they aren't analogous as you were suggesting they were.

There aren't laws requiring you to keep them on private property at any age because theres laws preventing you from buying them before a certain age. Thats a more restrictive law. Obviously you can't have one on public or private property if you can't own one.

You embarrass yourself by resorting to insults. You should be better than that both in the ability to make your arguments without it and the ability to regulate your emotions to not feel the desire to. You're acting like a child. OMG someone disagrees with me I've gotta insult them. Grow up.

[Meadow Skipper]

Leroy, you forget you called gun-control advocates fart sniffers and circle jerkers? That’s an insult moron. WTF is wrong with you that you can’t maintain any reasonable discussion?

And tell us some stats about drug related mass shootings v. non. Go ahead. Did you read that link? Asshole.

I’m done with you. You’re completely unreasonable.

[Cisco Kid]

Kinda like when mj was legal if you were issued a gov't cert. And there were none.

It'd be cool to have an app like weather radar but instead of lightening strikes showing in almost real time show gun strikes on human victims.

[skaredshtles]

Leroy, you forget you called gun-control advocates fart sniffers? That’s an insult moron. WTF is wrong with you that you can’t maintain any reasonable discussion?

I’m done with you. You’re completely unreasonable.

Everything is less dumb with him on Ignore.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy, you forget you called gun-control advocates fart sniffers and circle jerkers? That’s an insult moron. WTF is wrong with you that you can’t maintain any reasonable discussion?

And tell us some stats about drug related mass shootings v. non. Go ahead. Did you read that link? Asshole.

I’m done with you. You’re completely unreasonable.

I thought that was lighthearted shenanigans while you just seem angry and unable to regulate your emotions but ok, call me an asshole.

I looked at your link. It didn't have any data for motive or relation to the drug trade. Did I miss something? Theres no ability to sort by motive, but you have to click a link to source article. Literally the third one down was a shootout, not a typical mass shooting against a soft target. The narrative is being twisted. Gangbangers shooting each other isn't the mass shooting narrative we're being fed or you're spouting. Regardless of your views or beliefs misconstruing reality ultimately serves no one but those who want us afraid and controlled.

The article makes no mention of whether or not any of these guns were owned or carried legally, but since you have to submit fingerprints and other things to even get a handgun in Baltimore i think probably not.

[ex-powderbroker]

Personally I'm so ok with POC having guns. Women too.

What about women poc? can they have guns too?

[leroy jenkins]

Kinda like when mj was legal if you were issued a gov't cert. And there were none.

It'd be cool to have an app like weather radar but instead of lightening strikes showing in almost real time show gun strikes on human victims.

I'm sure you'd enjoy that a great deal.

[leroy jenkins]

What about women poc? can they have guns too?

Maybe they can have double the guns?

I say we give all the illegal immigrants AR15s and green cards. They're one of the least violent demographics overall, and the most likely to be victimized, both of which are even more true if they're women as well.

[::: :::]

Shooting 1.5 mi from my house today
2 men dead

[Cisco Kid]

I88888888888.

Did I speak to you? Did you think I was speaking to you? I wasn't speaking to you. If I want to speak to you I'll quote you. Just who do you think you are, Anyway?

[lowsparkco]

I watched the Ted Talk by one of the Columbine shooter’s mom, Sue Klebold, recently.

Worth a watch IMO.

So many murder suicides lately. Certainly wish we could gain some traction in moving towards some reasonable reform.

[SumJongGuy]

leroy's mental gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible are mind numbing.

Yes we have dug problems, yes people suffer from depression, yes there are violent video games, etc.. etc.. etc.. But every other nation on earth has these same problems.. Only one has the leading cause of death in children being bullets. IT'S THE FUCKING GUNS.

[Self Jupiter]

Active shooter in Midtown ATL right now.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...LLVGRZCPXO6LE/

Fuck I hate this country sometimes.

If we didn't do anything after Sandy Hook, we'll never do anything. And that's depressing as shit.

My BIL was ~8 blocks away when that happened

[BmillsSkier]

My BIL was ~8 blocks away when that happened

Yesterday was very weird and touched the lives of a lot of people around me which really brought home the gun problem we have in this country and my anger about it.

* The shooting happened in the office of one of my partner's good friend and client; this friend administered life-saving aid to one of the victims.

* All schools from Midtown through Buckhead were put on lockdown because the shooter had fled and was at large, including my son's after APD put out the shelter in place. The kids weren't told the reason, but only that it was kind of an extended drill.

At baseball last night the boys who go to different schools were exchanging stories about how they all had drills today. One teammate who is in my son's class told his buddies that he got the "good spot" in their lockdown "drill", apparently this is one where you're in a corner farthest away from the door. What the fuck kind of world are we living in where kids have preferred seating in active shooter situations and talk freely about it?!?!?

* As the shooter carjacked a truck and fled to The Battery (highly populated area around the Braves ballpark), which my office tower is by, everything kinda stopped as people just lined the windows watching the absolutely massive police, sheriff and state trooper presence make their way through the area.

* At 4pm The Weather Channel HQ went on lockdown across the street, at 4:15pm our building management sent out an email stating it would only allow keycard access for the rest of the day. Helicopters hovered overhead for the rest of the day as cops searched trunks of cars, bushes and parking garages around where the stolen truck was found.

I left as soon as I could and was able to escape the weirdness of it all to a sunny little league game where our boys won 13-7 (and mine had a triple and inside the park home run). The team celebrated with pizza up the street but all the parents could talk about was the events of the day and how the shooter was still on the loose.

Fuck all of that shit; we're fucked as a country until we put some serious restrictions on access to guns by unwell individuals.

[californiagrown]

Fuck all of that shit; we're fucked as a country until we put some serious restrictions on access to guns by unwell individuals.

Really it comes down to this IMO. Guns should not be sold to unwell, apathetic, untrained people. If the only people who were allowed to purchase and legally own guns were mentally fit, motivated, and kept up on gun safety and usage training i bet 95% of non-gang/drug related gun crime would stop.

[SumJongGuy]

Naw.. We're about to make it 100% legal for EVERYONE not on parole to carry concealed, no permit, no training, no sherrif's department background check for handgun purchases. .. fucking free for all with everyone packing.. 'MURIKA!!

Well today the state GQP super majority withdrew this bill. I guess someone told them it also allows black people and gay people to conceal carry and not just cis-white people..