If only there was something we could do...

[bennymac]

Gun fetishizers - “people are crazy! More crazy now than 40 years ago!”

Oh yeah - well then who should we look to to guide us with regards to guns?

Gun fetishizers - “men from hundreds of years ago who also thought people could be owned as slaves and that women were not smart enough to vote”

[SumJongGuy]

Ol Leroy seen the documentary “Maximum Overdrive” too many times.

Poor kid, scared of darned near everything.

Repo Man Marries Lisa Simpson.. What could possibly go wrong??

[AK47bp]

Nice.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/bill...BQXIVCLPEPIY4/

[::: :::]

Regarding “what has changed in society” is that the over-enthusiastic gun manufacturing lobby taught a whole swath of irresponsible people that they deserve and need guns and that they can defend their perceived freedoms however they define them behind the patriotic, macho end of a firearm.

The irresponsible stupid people were always here. The mentally ill were always here. The bullied angry loners were always here. The easily duped useful idiots were always here.

They are just legally armed now. The cat is out of the bag, and every dumb shit can get access and do whatever the fuck they want cuz they are empowered to push their selfish whims on the public at large.

What has changed is propaganda pushed heavily by the gun manufacturers & their purchased legislators salivating at motivated financial donors. That intentionally divisive propaganda says real Americans need and use guns in daily society. Gun sales follow each manufactured 2A panic.

And now we have politically fraught tribalism defined by gun/no-gun lines, road rage, parking rage, lawn rage, doorbell rage, self-styled operators, armed rubes worried about phantom busloads of antifa coming to destroy their tiny downtowns, volunteer property protection, voter intimidation, school board intimidation, protest intimidation, private unregulated militias, kidnapping plans for opposing political party leaders, insurrection planning, etc.

It is fucking stupid, and it is no mystery.


Regular people are tired of it. Larger public perception is slowly changing every day on the 2A by both:
a) the public: the public’s patience with random shootings by enabled angry morons, and
b) gun owners: gun owners aren’t proud of these idiots and can see that plausible deniability for the 2A is crumbling slowly with this course of events. And they have always quietly understood the entirely predictable public danger of unregulated lethality.

There is a whole class of people who don’t want a ban, but do see regulation as entirely reasonable, and they are growing and will rewrite laws eventually. They will join with the gun ban crowd if gun owners continue to pursue the no compromises path. Then gun owners may end up with de facto bans.

[riser4]

Regarding “what has changed in society” is that the over-enthusiastic gun manufacturing lobby taught a whole swath of irresponsible people that they deserve and need guns and that they can defend their perceived freedoms however they define them behind the patriotic, macho end of a firearm.

The irresponsible stupid people were always here. The mentally ill were always here. The bullied angry loners were always here. The easily duped useful idiots were always here.

They are just legally armed now. The cat is out of the bag, and every dumb shit can get access and do whatever the fuck they want cuz they are empowered to push their selfish whims on the public at large.

What has changed is propaganda pushed heavily by the gun manufacturers & their purchased legislators salivating at motivated financial donors. That intentionally divisive propaganda says real Americans need and use guns in daily society. Gun sales follow each manufactured 2A panic.

And now we have politically fraught tribalism defined by gun/no-gun lines, road rage, parking rage, lawn rage, doorbell rage, self-styled operators, armed rubes worried about phantom busloads of antifa coming to destroy their tiny downtowns, volunteer property protection, voter intimidation, school board intimidation, protest intimidation, private unregulated militias, kidnapping plans for opposing political party leaders, insurrection planning, etc.

It is fucking stupid, and it is no mystery.


Regular people are tired of it. Larger public perception is slowly changing every day on the 2A by both:
a) the public: the public’s patience with random shootings by enabled angry morons, and
b) gun owners: gun owners aren’t proud of these idiots and can see that plausible deniability for the 2A is crumbling slowly with this course of events. And they have always quietly understood the entirely predictable public danger of unregulated lethality.

There is a whole class of people who don’t want a ban, but do see regulation as entirely reasonable, and they are growing and will rewrite laws eventually. They will join with the gun ban crowd if gun owners continue to pursue the no compromises path. Then gun owners may end up with de facto bans.

You're not wrong.

[TBS]

This guy sez gun violence is a predictable outcome based on migration patterns across North America.

In short, gun violence is higher in areas settled by people from the Deep South and Appalachia

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...lence-00092413

I just finished his book “American Nations” that describes the migration patterns of Euro settlers and the people who settled each region.

Here’s the underlying data
https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-ge...-gun-violence/
Sorry can’t seem to embed the maps

Fun fact - current gun violence - on a county-by-county basis - in the southern states is highly correlated to the population of Scots-Irish immigrants in those counties in 1790.

[riser4]

This guy sez gun violence is a predictable outcome based on migration patterns across North America.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...lence-00092413

I just finished his book “American Nations” that describes the migration patterns of Euro settlers and the people who settled each region.

Here’s the underlying data
https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-ge...-gun-violence/
Sorry can’t seem to embed the maps

Fun fact - current gun violence - on a county-by-county basis - in the southern states is highly correlated to the population of Scots-Irish immigrants in those counties in 1790.

So it's genetic? Some kind of crazy gene?

[Ted Striker]

The irresponsible stupid people were always here. The mentally ill were always here. The bullied angry loners were always here. The easily duped useful idiots were always here.

Worse. There are way more of them, they're a larger percentage of society, and they hold more positions of power.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So it's genetic? Some kind of crazy gene?

It’s cultural and tribal


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[garyfromterrace]

Worse. There are way more of them, they're a larger percentage of society, and they own multiple legally acquired assault weapons

FIFY

[grinch]

If its anything like here, theyre pumping out kids from several different baby mommas. The kids learn the 2 consistents in life are guns and drugs

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[SkiBall]

Maybe it is just about the money. Like almost everything else. Convincing people to buy more(and more expensive) guns that they need has to be fairly profitable. Otherwise who knows what they may spend their money on. The Mountain Dew lobby is only so strong, and Pepsi might already own a gun company.

[Cisco Kid]

In America it's always about the money. So now what?

[SkiBall]

Well, skiing is obviously already blown out. Need something else.

[::: :::]

This guy sez gun violence is a predictable outcome based on migration patterns across North America.

In short, gun violence is higher in areas settled by people from the Deep South and Appalachia

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...lence-00092413

I just finished his book “American Nations” that describes the migration patterns of Euro settlers and the people who settled each region.

Here’s the underlying data
https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-ge...-gun-violence/
Sorry can’t seem to embed the maps

Fun fact - current gun violence - on a county-by-county basis - in the southern states is highly correlated to the population of Scots-Irish immigrants in those counties in 1790.

Interesting that the land borders are low count zones

[SumJongGuy]

But NOT THE IRISH!

[TBS]

So it's genetic? Some kind of crazy gene?

It’s cultural and tribal

This. Ethnographers talk about an “honor culture” that requires avenging slights, as well as an ethos of emphasizing the individual instead of community good.

Interesting that the land borders are low count zones

Notsomuch between Appalachia and Deep South. Some other things that jumped out
- Mormon areas are low-violence islands in the Far West.
- the norteno areas are generally pretty safe, except for the strip along the Rio Grande in NM. Not sure what is going on there - the Spanish and Indigenous cultures were both quite communal

- the strip along the lower Mississippi is a war zone
- SW Oregon is more Appalachian than the author gives credit
- the murder vs suicide rate in Far West is pretty striking. There’s a correlation between suicide rate and elevation but ethnographers don’t understand the causes.
- check out the black vs white murder rates

[J. Barron DeJong]

But NOT THE IRISH!

They (we? I’m well removed…) settle things like real men:

[mcski]

So it's genetic? Some kind of crazy gene?

Well Scot Irish are all from Northern Ireland so that makes sense!

[The Reverend Floater]

I feel like you guys are giving the gun manufacturers too much credit. You ever seen actual marketing collateral from these guys? It's awful. Really bad. Even Sig Sauer which does several billion a year has absolutely mediocre marketing.

But here's the thing...they don't have to market guns. Combine Hollywood's violence fetish with a steady diet of media induced fear mongering and even moderate folks feel vulnerable to some degree.

Think about it. Every day Ted goes to work, gets home, watches Fox News and is told to be terrified by EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. He puts the kids to bed, then moves to Netflix and streams John Wick or any number of movies. He's presented with a problem and a solution in just a few short hours.

The gun manufacturers are simply there to provide the "answer" to insecurities that are being pushed every hour of every day. And yeah, they lobby and are slimy AF, but I don't think they're the ones primarily stoking demand.

[::: :::]

I feel like you guys are giving the gun manufacturers too much credit. You ever seen actual marketing collateral from these guys? It's awful. Really bad. Even Sig Sauer which does several billion a year has absolutely mediocre marketing.

But here's the thing...they don't have to market guns. Combine Hollywood's violence fetish with a steady diet of media induced fear mongering and even moderate folks feel vulnerable to some degree.

Think about it. Every day Ted goes to work, gets home, watches Fox News and is told to be terrified by EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. He puts the kids to bed, then moves to Netflix and streams John Wick or any number of movies. He's presented with a problem and a solution in just a few short hours.

The gun manufacturers are simply there to provide the "answer" to insecurities that are being pushed every hour of every day. And yeah, they lobby and are slimy AF, but I don't think they're the ones primarily stoking demand.

Fox was just the megaphone, not the speaker.
Sure, Rush & Fox twisted the dial up to 11, but they didn’t start at zero. They used the issues that the gun lobby fear-mongered among their membership as they passed out pre-cooked legislation to pass and told their followers to vote for lest all the guns be banned.
The NRA financed, pushed and got Heller in their favor.
Lobbyists secured the sunset of the assault weapons ban.
Marion Hammer lied to state legislators and voters about their loss of culture and heritage and safety if they didn’t pass this law the NRA carefully crafted for their convenience.
John Wayne was around long before John Wick and yet the tribalism of gun culture didn’t exist then. The prepper weirdos at the back of gun magazines were fringe back in the day.

[riser4]

I feel like you guys are giving the gun manufacturers too much credit. You ever seen actual marketing collateral from these guys? It's awful. Really bad. Even Sig Sauer which does several billion a year has absolutely mediocre marketing.

But here's the thing...they don't have to market guns. Combine Hollywood's violence fetish with a steady diet of media induced fear mongering and even moderate folks feel vulnerable to some degree.

Think about it. Every day Ted goes to work, gets home, watches Fox News and is told to be terrified by EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. He puts the kids to bed, then moves to Netflix and streams John Wick or any number of movies. He's presented with a problem and a solution in just a few short hours.

The gun manufacturers are simply there to provide the "answer" to insecurities that are being pushed every hour of every day. And yeah, they lobby and are slimy AF, but I don't think they're the ones primarily stoking demand.

I'm not letting them off the hook. They were in bed with a bunch of people. Regular ol gun fetish anal gangbang on society: NRA, media, entertainment, lobbyists, manufacturers. And they used fear as the lube.

[heckacali]

One thing I've been noticing is a general "redneckization" of things.
It seems to me our current American culture is having a big marketing push towards "country America" type things in marketing.
I don't have cable, but in the times I do see things, the music I hear in commercials, the types of shows I'm seeing pushed, there seems to be this broadening pattern of country life/ cowboy life being more normalized and promoted in all media.
I feel this is a recent and escalating occurrence.

I was out visiting my parents and suburban New York and my mother was watching cowboy shit on a dedicated cowboy channel on cable. Then she was watching some cowboy dating show on lifetime or some shit. Of course the pickup truck commercials have always had a cowboy / redneck lifestyle marketing angle, but for some reason I'm picking up on it more and more in various places.

[From_the_NEK]

Cowboys are symbolic of the idea of the "free American West". An ideal that you need to aspire to in order to be considered a "True American"! Whether most will admit it or not, most white Americans are drawn/pushed to this ideal as the America they "know" seems to be slipping away.
Anything for ratings!!!

[ex-powderbroker]

Abbott says these guys don’t count