If only there was something we could do...

[From_the_NEK]

Blasting unarmed young’uns for no particular reason - so hot right now.
Man Charged With Murder in Shooting of Woman Who Went Up Wrong Driveway

Exercising his inalienable/god-given right.

8:00 to 10:00

Boomers that have been told they need to be scared and suspicious of everyone, have been steadily stocking up with guns and ammo since they thought Obama was going to ban them. Now they are itching to use them at the slightest infraction to their personal space. It is fucking ridiculous.

My in-laws live at a campground all summer. When we go to visit, there are lots of middle age white dudes walking around with pistols strapped to their hips. Apparently, they want everyone to feel safe. I'm wondering how much longer it will be until someone gets shot during a drunken misunderstanding at one of the large weekend parties they have there. MORE GUNS to keep us safe from MORE GUNS!

[Peruvian]

[Self Jupiter]

Boomers that have been told they need to be scared and suspicious of everyone, have been steadily stocking up with guns and ammo since they thought Obama was going to ban them. Now they are itching to use them at the slightest infraction to their personal space. It is fucking ridiculous.

My in-laws live at a campground all summer. When we go to visit, there are lots of middle age white dudes walking around with pistols strapped to their hips. Apparently, they want everyone to feel safe. I'm wondering how much longer it will be until someone gets shot during a drunken misunderstanding at one of the large weekend parties they have there. MORE GUNS to keep us safe from MORE GUNS!

Car full of early 20 somethings pull into the wrong driveway, begin to turn around once they realize they made a mistake, and this POS shoots at their car killing a girl inside.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/n...-shooting.html

One of his neighbors, Adam Matthews, who runs an auto repair shop in nearby Salem, said Monahan had become more and more upset in recent years at people making wrong turns into his driveway.

https://apnews.com/article/fatal-sho...33d760148269a0

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https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-u...ter-killing-4/

BOWDOIN, Maine (AP) — A Maine man killed four people in a home and then shot three others randomly on a busy highway, state police said, the latest in a string of mass shootings across the country that have shaken communities large and small.

The shootings in Maine began in the small town of Bowdoin, where four people were killed Tuesday. Then a chaotic scene developed in which shots were fired at vehicles on an interstate highway over 20 miles away in the community of Yarmouth, police said. Three people were shot there, and one remained in critical condition Wednesday.

Apparently, he had a 10yr long criminal record that should have prevented him from having a firearm.

[PNWbrit]

Car full of early 20 somethings pull into the wrong driveway, begin to turn around once they realize they made a mistake, and this POS shoots at their car killing a girl inside.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/n...-shooting.html



https://apnews.com/article/fatal-sho...33d760148269a0

The reports of his behavior afterward when the police turned up are really bizarre. He's lucky the police didn't kill him.

[Ted Striker]

He's white, the police didn't kill him.

Fixed

[KQ]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/us/te...ing/index.html

[Ted Striker]

Wow, Kristi Noem is botox trump. Pretty sure her being a grandmother was the only true statement in that idiotic spiel.

[skaredshtles]

https://www.theonion.com/front-desk-...let-1850340640

[californiagrown]

the only way to protect against a badguy with a gun is a goodguy with a gun. So gun violence is the best way to prevent gun violence, so really more gun violence equals more safety.

Am i NRAing correctly?

[ex-powderbroker]

“stop being so hateful” - elroy

[leroy jenkins]

As of this writing, there is no data available for 2022 and 2023.
You don't read well, or you are misrepresenting that link.

The Snopes link:
So the CDC's 2020 data supports the claim that firearms were the leading cause of death among children that year, provided infants under the age of 1 are excluded, per the analyses of CDC data from Kaiser and Johns Hopkins researchers.
Parsing infant data doesn't change the stat, it just adds to it.
Also the Snopes link:
For 2021, the data yielded the same results. A CNN analysis of CDC data determined that, in 2021, nearly 3,600 children and teens, ages 1-18, died in gun-related incidents, which was more than the number of motor-vehicle fatalities.
Seems pretty clear. And no 19 yo's needed, nor "combat deaths" (which I'll note you still haven't substantiated, but we'll also note the Snopes link uses CDC data, not military data.)

Let's look at 2022 & 2023:
Leroy: "it wasn't true for 2022 or so far for 2023. Just 2021 and 2022."
Snopes: As of this writing, there is no data available for 2022 and 2023. [Published 3/29/2023. Updated 4/3/2023]

Who is misrepresenting here?


Yes, generally, violent crime stats have trended down since 1990 per this stat below. And they are lower today than 2000. But they also slowed and turned direction around 2014. The last 8 yrs have been rising slightly. I guess we'll see if that's a plateau or a more significant rising trend. Please note the steepest part of the curve (what you call "plummeting") was during the 10yr assault weapons ban.
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Fair enough I could be wrong about the combat deaths but I figured that was included in deaths of 18 and 19 year olds.

but YOU are willfully misrepresenting that link. The part you highlighted in bold talking about deaths of 1-18 year olds is just the number of 1-18 year olds. It doesn't say thats the leading cause. It explicitly states otherwise.

its only the leading cause if you include 19 year olds too, as that link clearly states.

"The claim that guns were the leading cause of death for U.S. children in 2020 and 2021 is true only if the selected age range is 1-19 years old. This range excludes infants under one year old, who have a unique risk of age-specific causes of death.
Similarly, capping the age range at 17, instead of 18 or 19, also alters the result, as children aged 17 and under have a greater risk of dying of vehicle-related injuries. "

So yea, guns are the leading cause of death of 18 year and 19 year olds is what it sounds like. Shitty situation, but if you're so right about things, we should be able to look at the world as it actually is and not need to distort reality to be right. Its the leading cause of death of 1-19 year olds only if you include 18 and 19 year olds.

[leroy jenkins]

Car full of early 20 somethings pull into the wrong driveway, begin to turn around once they realize they made a mistake, and this POS shoots at their car killing a girl inside.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/n...-shooting.html



https://apnews.com/article/fatal-sho...33d760148269a0

Holy shit what a psycho.

I gotta think, if you're growing increasingly bitter about people accidentally driving onto your land, why not just get a fucking gate?

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Fair enough I could be wrong about the combat deaths but I figured that was included in deaths of 18 and 19 year olds.

but YOU are willfully misrepresenting that link. The part you highlighted in bold talking about deaths of 1-18 year olds is just the number of 1-18 year olds. It doesn't say thats the leading cause. It explicitly states otherwise.

its only the leading cause if you include 19 year olds too, as that link clearly states.

"The claim that guns were the leading cause of death for U.S. children in 2020 and 2021 is true only if the selected age range is 1-19 years old. This range excludes infants under one year old, who have a unique risk of age-specific causes of death.
Similarly, capping the age range at 17, instead of 18 or 19, also alters the result, as children aged 17 and under have a greater risk of dying of vehicle-related injuries. "

So yea, guns are the leading cause of death of 18 year and 19 year olds is what it sounds like. Shitty situation, but if you're so right about things, we should be able to look at the world as it actually is and not need to distort reality to be right. It's the leading cause of death of 1-19 year olds only if you include 18 and 19 year olds.

perhaps you also read this part:

(Note: When we calculated the above deaths from motor vehicle-related incidents in the CDC database, we also included the parameters for "Motor Vehicle Traffic," "Other Pedal cyclists," "Other Pedestrians," and "Other land transport.")

We should also note that if we were to calculate the number of motor vehicle deaths between the ages of 1-17 in 2021 using only "Motor Vehicle Accidents" as a category from CDC's "ICD-10 113 Cause List," the number of deaths would be 2,561, which would be slightly less than the number of deaths from guns, which totaled 2,565. If we were to make the same calculations within the same parameters from the ages of 1-18, it would be 3,588 number of deaths from firearms, and 3,397 deaths from motor vehicles.

Or this part

Researchers have not determined exactly why children's deaths from gun violence in the U.S. had risen so considerably since 2020, but some emphasized that the increased availability of guns, especially handguns that tend to be used in homicides and suicides, likely played a role.

[emphasis mine]

[leroy jenkins]

perhaps you also read this part:

Or this part
[emphasis mine]

Yea i did notice they included an opinion and you disregarded the facts.

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Lol

[AK47bp]

Wrong thread.

[CarlMega]

Wow, Kristi Noem is botox trump.

The amount of peculiar fluid that has been injected into this hag is disturbing. She also uses botox too much.

[AK47bp]

A step in the right direction

https://komonews.com/news/local/semi...mpia-lawmakers

[riser4]

To Mikey's point: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/us/te...ite/index.html

[Peruvian]

Holy shit what a psycho.

I gotta think, if you're growing increasingly bitter about people accidentally driving onto your land, why not just get a fucking gate?

Because guns are cheaper and easier to obtain.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Fair enough I could be wrong

Just start every post with this and you’ll finally be honest

[ex-powderbroker]

more responsible gun owners:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/6-year-par...ry?id=98717589

[dunfree]

8:00 to 10:00

another victim of Fox News paranoia

[bennymac]

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