If only there was something we could do...

[::: :::]

Your link includes 18 and 19 year olds and excludes under 1 year olds. So, I'm right? Whats your point?

but the car data also shows the 18 & 19 yo's and not infants -- so what is your point exactly?

[leroy jenkins]

As of this writing, there is no data available for 2022 and 2023.
You don't read well, or you are misrepresenting that link.

The Snopes link:
So the CDC's 2020 data supports the claim that firearms were the leading cause of death among children that year, provided infants under the age of 1 are excluded, per the analyses of CDC data from Kaiser and Johns Hopkins researchers.
Parsing infant data doesn't change the stat, it just adds to it.
Also the Snopes link:
For 2021, the data yielded the same results. A CNN analysis of CDC data determined that, in 2021, nearly 3,600 children and teens, ages 1-18, died in gun-related incidents, which was more than the number of motor-vehicle fatalities.
Seems pretty clear. And no 19 yo's needed, nor "combat deaths" (which I'll note you still haven't substantiated, but we'll also note the Snopes link uses CDC data, not military data.)

Let's look at 2022 & 2023:
Leroy: "it wasn't true for 2022 or so far for 2023. Just 2021 and 2022."
Snopes: As of this writing, there is no data available for 2022 and 2023. [Published 3/29/2023. Updated 4/3/2023]

Who is misrepresenting here?


Yes, generally, violent crime stats have trended down since 1990 per this stat below. And they are lower today than 2000. But they also slowed and turned direction around 2014. The last 8 yrs have been rising slightly. I guess we'll see if that's a plateau or a more significant rising trend. Please note the steepest part of the curve (what you call "plummeting") was during the 10yr assault weapons ban.
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The stats on violence go up and down in relation to the ups and downs of the economy, in the long run. The assault weapons ban was coincidence.

Your link also doesn't go 1-18 it goes 1-19. 18 and 19 year old gang members aren't kids.

[PNWbrit]

Quit trying to reason with the disingenuous fuck-nut and put him on your Ignore list.

^ this please.

[CarlMega]

I find it laughable that the fringe gun worshippers are going to be my firewall against fascism. From what I can tell, it's actually the opposite. Enabling a rogue minority of extremists to threaten and undermine due process and institutions by violence.

[leroy jenkins]

but the car data also shows the 18 & 19 yo's and not infants -- so what is your point exactly?

That 18 and 19 year old gang members aren't kids, that the problem with violence in this country is largely centered around the interaction between the prison industrial complex and the illegal drug trade. Things that we should all, regardless of our beliefs on guns, want to improve upon. To focus on improving these problems isn't going to take away anyones rights or hurt anyone unless you're one of the ultra wealthy who owns the media and makes money off the prison industrial complex.

But perhaps you'd rather just get that outrage dopamine rush than actually try and solve any problems or improve anything. Because to actually address these problems we would have to stop fighting with each other over which parts of the bill of rights we do or don't prioritize, and start actually creating some unity about things we can all agree about and demand change about. But nah, we as a country will keep being outraged, keep allowing the imprisonment for profit of more of our people than any other industrialized or democratic country on earth, keep allowing our banks and federal reserve to laundry drug cartel money and get a slap on the wrist when they get caught, cus 'its the guns, stupid'

Even if you're all right about guns, we should be addressing all these other issues first. They absolutely are huge causal drivers for the vast majority of violence in this country.

I argue this to liberals and conservatives alike. To hoplophobes and gun hoarders alike. Regardless your take on guns it should in all our interest to address these issues first, at the very least from the practical perspective that it should be a path of less resistance than fighting over the second amendment. It would require us having a bit higher consciousness and deliberately creating unity though, something we are being conditioned not to do.

[leroy jenkins]

Quit trying to reason with the disingenuous fuck-nut and put him on your Ignore list.

I'm absolutely not disingenuous, but if you're so fragile you can't handle the cognitive dissonance you get from interacting with my ideas you're free to hide behind the ignore function and continue to be addicted to your outrage dopamine and continue to create division and lack of meaningful progress.

[Cisco Kid]

OCD or paid by the word?

[leroy jenkins]

OCD or paid by the word?

I type really fast, like twice the speed I read. And I actually give a shit about these problems.

[mcski]

I type really fast, like twice the speed I read. And I actually give a shit about these problems.

If you type twice as fast as you read that means you also type twice as fast as you think. That checks out

[CarlMega]

If you type twice as fast as you read that means you also type twice as fast as you think. That checks out

You should have quoted him. That mesmerizing sentence was one worth sharing with the ignore list crowd. For the yucks.

[mcski]

Your link includes 18 and 19 year olds and excludes under 1 year olds. So, I'm right? Whats your point?

My point is your reading comprehension is worse than shit. There is a specific reason under 1 is excluded. The overwhelming death in that group is from birth defects and abnormalities so it makes no impact or sense to include it when accounting for deaths by external factors

And the others are part of the the demographic. Read more, spout bullshit less

[byates1]

This thread needs more kind regards.

Kind regards.

[ex-powderbroker]

I type really fast, like twice the speed I read. And I actually give a shit about these problems.

that's what i get out of your posts, you really care!

[about yourself]

[::: :::]

The stats on violence go up and down in relation to the ups and downs of the economy, in the long run. The assault weapons ban was coincidence.

Your link also doesn't go 1-18 it goes 1-19. 18 and 19 year old gang members aren't kids.

My link? To crime stats by year from Statista? Or the direct quote indicating 1-18 from the CDC? In your Snopes article...that one?

"Gang members"? Please cite your source.


And the economy represented by the GDP has basically gone up not plummeted with violent crime. Nor did it taper from 2010 to moderate change.


helluva coincidence that violent crime took a dive after a bipartisan look at guns starting in 89 & culminating in the 94 assault weapons ban
not pretending it's more than that, but it is remarkable as coincident set of events

[Ted Striker]

I find it laughable that the fringe gun worshippers are going to be my firewall against fascism. From what I can tell, it's actually the opposite. Enabling a rogue minority of extremists to threaten and undermine due process and institutions by violence.

True. And the fascism is already here. To paraphrase a misattributed quote: there are in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, and out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Switch white octogenarian shut in with "black teenager shoots senior citizen for ringing doorbell" and the rest of the article wouldn't read "police talked to the resident, and declined to make an arrest".

[::: :::]

That 18 and 19 year old gang members aren't kids, that the problem with violence in this country is largely centered around the interaction between the prison industrial complex and the illegal drug trade. Things that we should all, regardless of our beliefs on guns, want to improve upon. To focus on improving these problems isn't going to take away anyones rights or hurt anyone unless you're one of the ultra wealthy who owns the media and makes money off the prison industrial complex.

But perhaps you'd rather just get that outrage dopamine rush than actually try and solve any problems or improve anything. Because to actually address these problems we would have to stop fighting with each other over which parts of the bill of rights we do or don't prioritize, and start actually creating some unity about things we can all agree about and demand change about. But nah, we as a country will keep being outraged, keep allowing the imprisonment for profit of more of our people than any other industrialized or democratic country on earth, keep allowing our banks and federal reserve to laundry drug cartel money and get a slap on the wrist when they get caught, cus 'its the guns, stupid'

Even if you're all right about guns, we should be addressing all these other issues first. They absolutely are huge causal drivers for the vast majority of violence in this country.

I argue this to liberals and conservatives alike. To hoplophobes and gun hoarders alike. Regardless your take on guns it should in all our interest to address these issues first, at the very least from the practical perspective that it should be a path of less resistance than fighting over the second amendment. It would require us having a bit higher consciousness and deliberately creating unity though, something we are being conditioned not to do.

jfc, you really have a high opinion of your unfounded, data-less opinions and projections about other people.
and a whole lot of straw men to avoid the primary difficulty that guns are dangerous to public health in the US
the facts remain facts despite your unusual interest in twisting them into something else

[CarlMega]

Thank heavens these guys are saving us from government tyranny and fascism

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ed/ar-AA1a28PK

Florida man who shot road rage rival's daughter has attempted murder charge DROPPED

• Frank Allison, 44, has seen charges of attempted murder dropped after he shot the daughter of William Hale, 36, in a road rage incident
• Hale returned fire and shot Allison's daughter, but his charges of attempted murder remain
• Prosecutors allege that Hale instigated the shooting by driving Allison off the road and throwing a water bottle at his car
• One of two men who shot each other's daughters in a road rage incident has seen his charges dropped after prosecutors decided he acted in self-defense.

Frank Allison, 44, opened fire on William Hale, 36, after the two began swerving and brake-checking each other on a Florida highway last year. He shot at Hale's car after the 36-year-old flung a water bottle into his car during the fight.

But authorities decided that his first shot was justifiable under Florida's 'stand your ground' self-defense law, determining that Hale was at fault for the ensuing chaos.

Alisson fired a single shot into Hale's car after the bottle was thrown, hitting Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg. Hale responded by emptying his Glock semi-automatic handgun at Alisson's vehicle, hitting his 14-year-old daughter in the back, causing her to suffer a collapsed lung.

Both men initially faced attempted murder charges after the incident, until Alisson's charges were dropped earlier this month. Speaking at the time of the shooting, Nassau County Sheriff Bill Leeper said: 'There could have been two dead kids because of two stupid grown men.'

Prosecutors allege that the highway shooting erupted after Hale attempted to run Allison off the roam on Highway 1 near Callahan, Florida.

At one point during the skirmish, Hale pulled his Dodge Ram pickup truck alongside Allison's Nissan Murano, rolling his window down and berating the driver while his wife gestured out the window.

Allison rolled down his window and shouted back in turn, before a water bottle was thrown into Hale's truck, according to the Nassau County Sheriff's Office.

Both men accused the other of aggressive and erratic driving and 'brake checking' the other. A witness also alleged that Hale was the aggressor, claiming he tried to run his rival off the road.

The witness, who prosecutors said was 'the only independent witness in the case' after the stories told by the two men varied, told police he saw a 'cat and mouse' driving game between the two motorists.

Although he didn't witness the shooting, he said he felt compelled to call 911 before shots were fired because 'he knew something bad was going to happen', according to Fox News.

Allison responded to the alleged provocation by firing a single shot at Hale's vehicle, which struck his 5-year-old daughter in the upper calf.

The shooting led Hale to return fire, emptying his handgun's magazine at Allison's car. Both men had concealed carry permits and no prior criminal record.

A chilling 911 call was made after the mother of one of the children that was shot desperately called for help.

'My daughter's been shot - please help me,' she says, while her daughter can be heard weeping in the vehicle.

'I don't want to die,' she said, according to News4Jax.

Both drivers continued heading north, with their injured daughters in the back.

But the pair were eventually stopped by a patrolling Nassau County Sheriff's Office car, before arguing and fighting with each other by the side of the road.

Bodycam footage shows first responders rushing to help their daughters while the two men are separated, as they recounted differing versions of the incident.

The pair were initially booked into jail on attempted murder charges, but Allison has since seen the charges against him dropped.

In a statement released after the charges were dropped, the state's attorney said: 'William Hale’s aggressive driving pattern and the throwing of a water bottle placed the Allisons in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm and constitute the commission of forcible felonies.

'William Hale’s actions — both independently and collectively — justify Frank Allison’s use of deadly force against William Hale. As such, the State declines to file charges against Frank Allison and elects to file charges against William Hale.'

Hale is due to be arraigned in court on April 20. He is charged with three counts of attempted murder for the shooting, three counts of aggravated assault, and one of 'shooting or throwing deadly missiles' for launching the water bottle.

[Ted Striker]

A shithole country populated by morons

[Mazderati]

[AK47bp]

The fear of water bottles is real.

Stay strapped, be safe.







(This is sarcasm)

[subtle plague]

Don Quixote lecturing the windmills

But those windmills will take your freedom away !

[Ted Striker]

[Ted Striker]

8:00 to 10:00

[bennymac]

The fear of water bottles is real.

Stay strapped, be safe.







(This is sarcasm)

I laughed

[The SnowShow]

Wow
https://youtu.be/LmJkxCpSKMY