If only there was something we could do...

[Cono Este]

MCPhee would be satisfied with some magazine limits, or ban on a small % of semi auto guns. That’s the best the house can come up with.

Decorate them all with medals for morality.


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[Buster Highmen]

Doesn't matter who started it.

[mcphee]

MCPhee would be satisfied with some magazine limits, or ban on a small % of semi auto guns. That’s the best the house can come up with.

Decorate them all with medals for morality.


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I wouldn’t though. I’d like everyone’s guns taken away since they can’t be sold, stored, or used responsibly.

I’d settle for real background checks on a federal and uniform level, a federal/state/local registry that must transfer when sold, liability insurance requirements for each firearm in your name, no purchases under the age of 25, and an AWB.

[Cono Este]

I wouldn’t though. I’d like everyone’s guns taken away since they can’t be sold, stored, or used responsibly.

I’d settle for real background checks on a federal and uniform level, a federal/state/local registry that must transfer when sold, liability insurance requirements for each firearm in your name, no purchases under the age of 25, and an AWB.

Then you should pressure the right people. I respect all you ask for, but playing the higher moral game is bullshit when even what you request would considered crazy in other parts of the world.

If we could remove all guns but sporting rifles and shotguns tomorrow, and if those could regulated, I’d vote yes. Because I wouldn’t worry about being murdered in north St. Louis trying to sell a $2500 policy.

Some of us just have zero confidence in our politicians to do that, or for our judges to keep people in jail, or for our dumb Leo’s to give a fuck.


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[TNKen]

Come on, McFeeble, you can do better.

1. We have a background check system. It is called the NCIS. Works pretty well.
https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics
2. We have a national registry. But the ATF won't admit they have it.
3. Transfer registration when sold. Only firearms that are exempt at the moment are private in-state sales. Private sales across a state line are required to be processed through an FFL with a background check.
3. Insurance. Hummm. We have car insurance requirements. I would bet 25% of the drivers on the road have no insurance. Same would happen here.
4. No purchases under age 25. Currently no purchases under 18 on long guns and 21 on handguns. Might not oppose this. But, are you talking about banning the sale or possession? Huge difference.
5. AWB. Didn't work last time.

Who is going to pay to enforce your ideology??

Might want to educate yourself on the subject before you spew.

And I'm betting you've never been in a bar-fight in your life.

[Buster Highmen]

Come on, McFeeble, you can do better.

So can you.

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5. AWB. Didn't work last time.

Categorically false.

There's lots of data that shows that mass shootings decreased per capita.

Louis Klarevas is a research professor at Columbia University Teachers College and the author of Rampage Nation, which examines American mass shootings and efforts to prevent the killings. His research looked at mass shootings resulting in six or more deaths, which he refers to as massacres, because they are “the most dangerous and threatening to American public safety.”

He found that deaths in such high-fatality mass shootings dropped by 25 percent under the ban. Massacre deaths involving assault weapons fell by 40 percent, fatalities involving both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines fell by 54 percent. After the ban lapsed, mass shootings and related deaths surged. “We know that during the federal assault weapon ban, we saw some significant reductions in high-fatality mass shootings compared to the decade before the ban and the decade after it expired,” he said. “What we don’t know exactly is the mechanism behind that change.”

A 2019 study looking at the impact of the federal law on mass shooting deaths arrived at a similar conclusion: While new assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were outlawed, mass shooting fatalities were 70 percent less likely than during the decades before and since.

https://www.thetrace.org/2019/08/wha...-weapons-bans/



(If you read the single spike as counterproof, I'll dismiss your ability to read)

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/di...us-11654796625

The AWB ban was greatly weakened by the grandfather clause. Take that out, get rid of these fucking lethal toys.

Might want to educate yourself on the subject before you spew.

And I'm betting you've never been in a bar-fight in your life.

Again, you can do better.

These ridiculous claims that the laws won't work are self defeating and the usual circular logic.

[mcphee]

^well said, buster

“Who’s going to pay for my ideology?”

You are. Through the semi annual gun registry. $100 bucks for each gun for each registry federal, state and local. If you truly love your non-value add hobby or truly need your security blanket, you’ll pay it.

[TNKen]

Again, what is the cost of your proposals? There are damned laws on the books for everything you have discussed. Rarely ever enforced.

Felons in possession with a minimum mandatory sentence of 10 years rarely is ever charged or prosecuted. Why don't you start there?

Domestic violence is the same. Never prosecuted.

Maybe start by enforcing laws on the books.

Reality is no one wants to pay for jails and prisons.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Who is going to pay to enforce your ideology?? .

idk, but we all know who's paying the price for your ideology



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[Bunion 2020]

Yawn....

The Ken's of the world have 1 solution to gun violence. More guns.

[mcphee]

Reality is no one wants to pay for jails and prisons.

Lol. We are a carceral state. We love to throw people in jail and celebrate new prison construction. Fuck, you get dumber with each post.

[Cono Este]

Lol. We are a carceral state. We love to throw people in jail and celebrate new prison construction. Fuck, you get dumber with each post.

Don’t come to St. Louis. We’re actually defunding the police.

Top prize for stupidity and gun sales leader goes to Cori Bush.


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[Bobby Stainless]

In 2020 662 people were beaten to death (hands, fists and feet). 455 were shot by rifles.

Since 2004, 5,565 people have been killed with a rifle. 28,121 have been killed with a knife or cutting instrument. 110,990 with a handgun...

By all means though. Please keep wasting time with your AWB.

https://crime-data-explorer.app.clou...orer/crime/shr

[Buster Highmen]

Paint with a broad brush or move the goalposts or create more strawpeople to get the results you want.

Reasonable people know and can document over and over that in terms of mass murder, assault weapons are overwhelmingly at fault and readily available.

[mcphee]

Don’t come to St. Louis. We’re actually defunding the police.

Top prize for stupidity and gun sales leader goes to Cori Bush.


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I’m in STL all the time (Tower grove area and delmar loop, mostly) Are there areas I would be a fool to go to? Most definitely. Am I scared to be there otherwise? No.

[Bobby Stainless]

Paint with a broad brush or move the goalposts or create more strawpeople to get the results you want.

Reasonable people know and can document over and over that in terms of mass murder, assault weapons are overwhelmingly at fault and readily available.

Doesn't change the fact that it's the ultimate fringe of gun deaths. An AWB would likely accomplish nothing due to the ease of getting a handgun.

Designating them as Class 3 would be much more beneficial and easier to accomplish.

[nickwm21]

Doesn’t change the fact that the ultimate fridge of gun deaths is also tragic and horrifying and should be addressed.


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[Buster Highmen]

You can argue that all guns should be banned that way, but, as the thread topic subtly indicates, the subject at hand is mass shootings with which assault weapons have a significant involvement.
Data clearly shows the AWB worked.

As far as ease, you're entitled to yet another unsubstantiated opinion.

[Bobby Stainless]

You can argue that all guns should be banned that way, but, as the thread topic subtly indicates, the subject at hand is mass shootings with which assault weapons have a significant involvement.
Data clearly shows the AWB worked.

As far as ease, you're entitled to yet another unsubstantiated opinion.

Since 1982 Rifles were used in 52 mass shootings and handguns were used in 98. Shotguns were used in 26.

This idea that it's only rifles is false. The idea that it will stop because rifles wont be available, is also false.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s%20shootings.

[Conundrum]

I’m not sure what my point is…probably that I agree with Bobby

It's safe to say, I am more or less on my own in this thread.

You are not alone the 1% of the time you are not trolling.

Who is going to pay to enforce your ideology??

Who is currently paying while our society is not willing to adapt and evolve? I used to fit more in your camp but realized there is nothing wrong with looking at other angles, listening to the other side, and shifting my mindset. I’d like to think it’s personal growth and empathy. Some of those that are not willing to budge probably think it’s being a pussy. Then again, I don’t need tools to feel a certain way about myself or compensate for anything. Guns are merely tools correct?

“Life, liberty, and the pursuit of freedom”. Being scared to go in public without a firearm for protection does not sound like freedom to me.

[Bobby Stainless]

Doesn’t change the fact that the ultimate fridge of gun deaths is also tragic and horrifying and should be addressed.


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It kind of shines a light on the other 15k or so deaths that don't cause a national outcry.

[Buster Highmen]

Not all rifles are assault weapons.

Is this where I make fun of you for not knowing what you're talking about? Or misrepresenting machine gun availability? Or moving the goalposts for your strawmen again?

Again, go back to the well defined AWB data, it's clear that it worked despite the grandfather clauses.

I have other more beneficial and constructive things to do.

[Bobby Stainless]

Not all rifles are assault weapons.

What's an assault weapon then? If I assault you with a shotgun, did that just become a assault weapon?

Talk about moving goalposts.

[SumJongGuy]

What's an assault weapon then? If I assault you with a shotgun, did that just become a assault weapon?

Talk about moving goalposts.

We've said over and over that the Brady Bill AWB is the ideal starting point here. I refer you to that with your query "what is an assault weapon"..

[Bobby Stainless]

When the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."^[3]

So this is an assault weapon?



Can't imagine why nothing has passed regarding "assault weapons".

I would say the worst starting point is the AWB.