Permanent Daylight Saving Time

[The AD]

it's just a number

by definition, we have to agree on what it means -- that part is up to us

the school system, for instance, reevaluates their calendar yearly and publishes it a year out

they're already doing the work of organizing schedules, now it just involves deciding what time the littles meet their bus this year compared to last

Yes, but constantly changing school schedules has huge repercussions for parents as well as for activities the kids participate in like sports teams, etc. It just seems a lot easier to keep school on the same schedule and have the clock time shift as far as I'm concerned.

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constantly changing

not sure that's implied

[mattig]

Adjusting to the time change twice a year is a way bigger disruption to sleep than outdoor light levels.

My 2 cents: I work 430am to 430pm every day. Take kid to school at 7. I don't care if it's dark in the morning. It sucks when it gets dark so early at night. I realize some people like it getting dark earlier.

Still, the twice a year change is a real bitch, physically.

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[bennymac]

[AK47bp]

Trying to wrap my head around Maine and Florida having similar sunrise times.


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[bennymac]

it's a 30 min window - so perhaps Eastport is seeing the sun 29 min before Orlando?

[The AD]

The article is about how permanent DST will change sunrise and sunset times and then they just show a graphic for sunrise? Seems a bit biased. How about show the thing that's going to be a positive for lots of people rather than just the part that's going to be a negative? Bottom line is the length of day is short in higher latitudes in the winter. There's nothing we can do about that.

[dunfree]

Earlier sunrise is a positive to a bunch of people.

[KQ]

I don't know what's true or not with regard to the healthier choice re: time if indeed there is one but I do know that I've been messed up all week. I'm tired and confused. I wake up when I normally would but when I look at the clock I'm an hour behind. Same thing happens at night... all the sudden it's 7pm when my mind thinks it's 6. I don't like it.

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[bennymac]

[mattig]

While the "reasonable" designations are entirely arbitrary, this helps me visualize why the topic is divisive and why more west coasters are probably more indifferent to the sunrise part of the equation. Thanks

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[Ted Striker]

None of those maps are drawn very well. The northernmost point in Maine is about 47.5N (basically the same latitude as SeaTac airport)

[The AD]

Earlier sunrise is a positive to a bunch of people.

This map shows how late sunrise will be, though. To me the point of that map is "hey, look how late sunrise is going to be for most Americans if we got to year-round DST!"

Also good point by Ted. Not sure why they tend to draw the maps that way, but I'll bet lots of people think northern Maine is farther north than anywhere in the (contiguous) U.S. when In fact the northernmost point in Maine is around 47.5 degrees north whereas the whole northern border from Minnesota all the way to Washington is at 49 N. And then there's that weird little blip even north of that around Lake of the Woods, MN.

[dunfree]

The northwest angle has negligible population and is like point Roberts - attached to Canada.

[BCMtnHound]

So much this. Our corporate overlords are applying the old distract and deflect strategy on us wage slaves.

[bobz]

Maine is pretty far east for its time zone, which is why even with permanent DST its sunrise isn't going to be particularly late in Winter, despite the northerly latitude. Remember that the sun rises earlier in the east; San Francisco's sunrise is about 10 minutes or so later than Tahoe's.

[Cisco Kid]

Has anyone mentioned that the law was never meant to pass the Senate and will never get enacted?

[Ted Striker]

Trying to wrap my head around Maine and Florida having similar sunrise times.

Earth's tilted and spins to the right, yo! But yeah, seeing it on a map is different.

That graphic is for the Winter Solstice. On that day you could draw a line on a globe from anywhere on the equator upward at a 23ish degree angle to the right and everywhere on that line (south of 66°N) will have the same sunrise.

Take 1° off every four days until the equinox, when the sunrise happens at the same moment along every line of longitude between the equator and poles (So Miami and Pittsburgh would be roughly the same)

[Bunion 2020]

Listening to people being interviewed about this and it leads me to think that many people somehow equate this with a real longer or shorter day. Somehow it will change the amount of time the sun is in the sky.

[mud]

The northwest angle has negligible population and is like point Roberts - attached to Canada.

Technically aren’t most of us attached to Canada?

[bennymac]

Alaska is also like Point Roberts and the Northwest Angle.

[adrenalated]

Technically aren’t most of us attached to Canada?

No, Canada is attached to US, obviously.

[jm2e]

Kids can walk to school in the dark. And after school they can learn to play outside while it’s still light.
Or is it better to teach them that a quality view on their commute is highest priority?


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[The AD]

Kids can walk to school in the dark.

Yeah, like kids walk to school anymore. Honestly, that's a pretty major shift since 1974 when they last tried this. I'll bet more than half of kids walked to school then and it's something like 10% now.