Ukraine

[This End Up]

Stopping Russian internet bots seems like a good idea right now, but this article makes it sound difficult;

Ukraine wants Russia to be severed from the global internet. Experts say it's a risky idea https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/tech/...net/index.html

[Mazderati]

RU is on the way to severing itself from the internet.

Another yacht seized in FRA. Get your 10s of millions ready for the fire sale.

[dunfree]

Fuck the Saudis.

US can spin up shale oil/gas production quickly. Finish the pipelines for safer cheaper transport.

That can tide us over until the free world can build enough solar/wind/nukes/EVs.

Pipelines won’t matter until the next president

End the jones act.

[dunfree]

Short article on freezing vs seizing russki assets. https://slate.com/business/2022/03/s...den-do-it.html

And:

This kinda contrarian take seems really popular and seems to really, really, really not understand just how much the oligarchs have outside of Russia, and how much they value their life outside of putins shithole.

“Yeah, I don’t want to spend a week in my verbier chalet with 10 hookers and a mountain of blow”

“Heliskiing from my yacht with hookers and a mountain of blow is overrated, I won’t miss that”

Sound kinda objectively stupid here, right?

[Forest Lawn]

Pipelines won’t matter until the next president

End the jones act.

Agreed.. But the US demand for oil and gas will still grow.. The Obama administration was the time to not cancel Keystone XL. And its never too late to reverse your great, great, grandpa Biden's tarded decision to cancel it.

[dunfree]

Agreed.. But the US demand for oil and gas will still grow.. The Obama administration was the time to not cancel Keystone XL. And its never too late to reverse your great, great, grandpa Biden's tarded decision to cancel it.

Maybe that senile fat fuck in Florida sucking Putin cock with lessons from his illegal immigrant whore wife should have actually done something other than fleece maga tards and stoke culture war bullshit?

[grinch]

Agreed.. But the US demand for oil and gas will still grow.. The Obama administration was the time to not cancel Keystone XL. And its never too late to reverse your great, great, grandpa Biden's tarded decision to cancel it.

#berta. Must be a tdirt alias

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[billyk]

So does Ukraine have no air force? I don't know shit, but if a 40 mile convoy stalled out it sort of seems a sitting duck- like a few planes could just bomb the shit out of it?

I’m sure the russkies brought some SAMs and AAA along with them when they came. The question is why haven’t drones been used against the convoy, as was done previously very effectively in the South. Or perhaps the russkies have learned how to defeat the Turkish built drones, and are using the convoy as bait to lure in planes and drones to destroy them.

[Cono Este]

Saw a video of the Antonov airfield with Russian trucks on fire. Hardly secure, and probably why the convoy is stalled.




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[dunfree]

I’m sure the russkies brought some SAMs and AAA along with them when they came. The question is why haven’t drones been used against the convoy, as was done previously very effectively in the South. Or perhaps the russkies have learned how to defeat the Turkish built drones, and are using the convoy as bait to lure in planes and drones to destroy them.

There’s video of Ukraine af hitting the convoy yesterday

[Adolf Allerbush]

Fuck the Saudis.

US can spin up shale oil/gas production quickly. Finish the pipelines for safer cheaper transport.

That can tide us over until the free world can build enough solar/wind/nukes/EVs.

I think we should be talking to Iran as well, and the admin probably already is. This could be a moment where they lend support to EU nations and just having their oil back on the market would help tremendously.

[summit]

I think we should be talking to Iran as well, and the admin probably already is. This could be a moment where they lend support to EU nations and just having their oil back on the market would help tremendously.

Well supposedly they are on the cusp of reaching a new nuclear deal... with Russia as the intermediary...

The problems with Iran is that their entire regime, their entire national raison d'etre, is ideologically opposed to the West, is cozy with both Russia and China, and is a security threat to US allies throughout the ME even if they drop their nuke program. You can't solve this shit with a deal. Baby steps. And opening up the spigots does nothing to assure the oil flows West instead of East.

Looking forward. I remain totally unconvinced that a new standoff with Russia will help with China. China will see the consequences of invasion and spend the next 10 years working out how not to get economically screwed like Russia. While NATO members are getting a reminder that yes, dictators can invade 1st world nations, so maybe you should hit that 2% GDP military spending, military capability generated from this does no good in deterring China if that capability is pinned in Europe to deter Russia.

Russia could literally become our buddy overnight if Putin was out and the right person was in. Turning Russia geopolitically friendly to the West would be the largest coup against Chinese militarism imaginable right now. Russia's border states engaging the West economically wouldn't need to frighten Russia if Russia was also invited to the party. Peace would be too fresh to allow politically viable arguments to cut NATOs militaries, but forces could be moved out of Eastern Europe "forward bases" to peacekeeping missions, or deployed to interesting training bases in say... Western Australia.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Well supposedly they are on the cusp of reaching a new nuclear deal... with Russia as the intermediary...

The problems with Iran is that their entire regime, their entire national raison d'etre, is ideologically opposed to the West, is cozy with both Russia and China, and is a security threat to US allies throughout the ME even if they drop their nuke program. You can't solve this shit with a deal. Baby steps. And opening up the spigots does nothing to assure the oil flows West instead of Easy.

Russia could literally become our buddy overnight if Putin was out and the right person was in. Turning economically friendly and geopolitically neutral to the West would be the largest coup against China imaginable right now.

True. No argument. I've always thought culturally the Iranians are a lot closer to the US than the Saudis, so that's partially where I'm coming from. I don't know how you get them to flip on Russia/China.

[MontuckyFried]

Fuck the Saudis.

US can spin up shale oil/gas production quickly. Finish the pipelines for safer cheaper transport.

That can tide us over until the free world can build enough solar/wind/nukes/EVs.

Absofreakinglutely we can! Already plenty of pipeline infrastructure for a damn large volume of domestic to port transport. Trucks and trains can tanker the rest to port. We can open up the wellhead valves already there and drill like mad. This is a wartime effort so treat it as such. Spin it up to max for now to help Europe out and then wind back down once the crisis is averted and more clean energy and renewables can come online.

FFS, shut the damn Russian oil OFF already!

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[ex-powderbroker]

SA knows they are on thin ice, we can pressure them to increase supply in addition to increasing output here. What Biden and the EU have done so well in collobarating is the fact that this is an 'all hands' situation and they are working together to do as much as possible and chip away at everything that can apply pressure on Ryssa.

As far as Keystone XL goes, the reasons for not allowing it are just as valid today as they were in 2014. It is also very hard to get large scale infrastructure done in the USA - I don't think Alberta realizes the way shit gets held up in the states (besides whether it is a good idea). It took NYC, for example, 50 fucking years to put in a small subway line (compared to the others) on 2nd Ave. That's essentially a hole through some rock and a few escalators. But Biden (or anyone else) is supposed to waive their hands and cut the red tape to put pipe down in ten states?

[eleeskiing]

Guys, guys.... can't we all get along or just move past what we don't like?

MTT does post kitty stoke.

KQ for peace accord negotiator. If Russia get bogged down and Putin grabs two eastern provinces and leaves (that’s the optimistic outcome... there are also some pessimistic outcomes that would mean no need for a negotiator).

KQ was a lawyer right? That’s a good start. And Putin likes riding horses, so has some insider knowledge.

[summit]

True. No argument. I've always thought culturally the Iranians are a lot closer to the US than the Saudis, so that's partially where I'm coming from. I don't know how you get them to flip on Russia/China.

The Islamic Republic of Iran isn't going to flip. They need a revolution. It is culturally possible for Persia to return, and there could be the needed cultural compatibility that I agree totally does not exist in Saudi Arabia (or greater Arabia).

Cultural compatibility is super important... linguistics too. I shook my head when I listened to NPR on the way home from the ICU last night and hear all this hand wringing about how Poland and Slovakia were being too welcoming to the Ukrainians refugees when they were not welcoming enough to say Syrians, Iraqis, or Libyans. NPR's commenter was convinced it was only about racism. Well, I bet there was some. But let's just pretend that Slavic linguistics, cultural compatibility, and relative population educational levels don't exist?

[Forest Lawn]

Maybe that senile fat fuck in Florida sucking Putin cock with lessons from his illegal immigrant whore wife should have actually done something other than fleece maga tards and stoke culture war bullshit?

Yep I agree completely.. But months after cancelling KXL, Biden was demanding, asking nicely, for Putin to open the oil flood gates because gasoline prices were increasing.

[oldnew_guy]

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So far, the first post in this thread is the most accurate.

A whole lot of new experts on military strategy, foreign policy, energy policy and sanction strategy since this thing kicked off.

Hands down the best has to be the “why don’t we just shut off the Russian oil?” and “why don’t the Ukrainians just blow up the convoy?”.

Wow, I’m sure no one smart with influence, authority to act and an understanding of the impacts on the overall strategy thought about either of those things. JFC.

[BmillsSkier]

Which is why most lobbying should be illegal.

This kinda contrarian take seems really popular and seems to really, really, really not understand just how much the oligarchs have outside of Russia, and how much they value their life outside of putins shithole.

“Yeah, I don’t want to spend a week in my verbier chalet with 10 hookers and a mountain of blow”

“Heliskiing from my yacht with hookers and a mountain of blow is overrated, I won’t miss that”

Sound kinda objectively stupid here, right?

[Forest Lawn]

As far as Keystone XL goes, the reasons for not allowing it are just as valid today as they were in 2014. It is also very hard to get large scale infrastructure done in the USA - I don't think Alberta realizes the way shit gets held up in the states (besides whether it is a good idea). It took NYC, for example, 50 fucking years to put in a small subway line (compared to the others) on 2nd Ave. That's essentially a hole through some rock and a few escalators. But Biden (or anyone else) is supposed to waive their hands and cut the red tape to put pipe down in ten states?

True that. Large infrastructure projects is a challenge and will be an even more difficult challenge to complete especially with NIMBY sentiments. NIMBY is blocking blocking new power lines in the US NE from Quebec hydro electric power. (green)

But KXL's construction was 3/4ish complete on both sides of the border. Oil demand was/is there but Biden cancelling right away was dumb ass Woke theatrics.

[dunfree]

But KXL's construction was 3/4ish complete on both sides of the border. Oil demand was/is there but Biden cancelling right away was dumb ass Woke theatrics.

Oh look, a lie. I’m convinced most anyone who uses woke as above is suffering from brain worms

[Adolf Allerbush]

Oh look, a lie. I’m convinced most anyone who uses woke as above is suffering from brain worms

I was formulating a response to his posts on KXLP, trying to be nice in pointing out where he is being "inaccurate", but then you beat me to the punch and just laid it out like it is. I'll just say that FL's understanding of how infrastructure gets built in the US and the world is obviously very lacking.

[liv2ski]

FL, I am the first to admit I do not remember all the details on this pipeline. However I do know that its source is from a method of oil extraction that is very bad for the environment and as a Canadian I would prefer that this was not going on. As far as our energy needs are concerned I am certain we can get to where we need to be with a continued build out of renewable sources and the newest nukes. So yeah f*** those pipelines

[ex-powderbroker]

Oh look, a lie. I’m convinced most anyone who uses woke as above is suffering from brain worms

see also ‘virtue signaling’