Ukraine

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Jake tapper killed it in his closing remarks today.

Clinton did shit when Putin destroyed

Chechnya bush did shit when he attacked Georgia.

Obama did shit when he took Crimea and shot down a civilian airliner.

Trump you guys have covered.

Biden learnt nothing.


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A question, what did Putin do when we invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq? Are these leaders supposed to start WW3? Economic sanctions and their own ineptitude are working against the Russians.


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[Bunion 2020]

RE: No more Russian oil for USA. Yes symbolic but it would still hurt Russia. Cue the GOP 2024 wannabes bitching about to rising costs of energy. It will go up sharply whether or not we buy Russian oil. God forbid people try and use less.

In the grand scheme Putin will either attempt another bluff or he may actually push more chips to the center. He has already put his Nuclear force on alert and has said that Sanctions are equal to an act of war. If his forces remain bogged down or begin to unravel no telling what he might do.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I bet We’re going to lift sanctions on Venezuela, there’s a team headed there now. Then we’re going to ban Russian oil this week. It’s 8% of imports.

Long term probably going to regret that, probably not good for Latin America in general, but what can you do when you won’t rape your own land. You rape someone else’s.


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8% is the total of petroleum products imported from Russia, that includes NG. Not that it really matters, we could halt that, do nothing else and we would adjust just fine.


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[heckacali]

I wonder who exactly is buying that 4% and for what purpose?

Every flag draped Q stickered MAGA bro dozer

[4matic]

I wonder who exactly is buying that 4% and for what purpose?

We all buy it if we use oil. If a free bid tanker gets contracted the oil could be from anywhere. That’s what Marc Rich was doing (now Glencore).

[4matic]

I can’t see an Iran deal soon with their Russian ties. I suppose it could happen but Russia has already asked for guaranties in the deal

[Bunion 2020]

We all buy it if we use oil. If a free bid tanker gets contracted the oil could be from anywhere. That’s what Marc Rich was doing (now Glencore).

Yep.

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[ötzi]

Yeah, I know. Anyway, the kinda English translation of jonos purported FSB link is here in pastebin: https://pastebin.com/2agMRGmd

Christo Grozev from bell?ngcat thinks it could possibly be real, and he appears to not be the overly credulous type.

I buy it fwiw. What purpose would be served if it's disinformation? There's no motivation that I can see to write and distribute other than telling the truth.

[SumJongGuy]

I'm not a link fetcher for people who won't be convinced of anything. Thats way low consciousness.

Who know, maybe it was fake news. Larger point is still valid. Left right left is the march towards tyranny and simply saying that was enough to get the groupthink around here all riled up. You people cheer for tyranny as long as its 'your side'. Only a fool would fear joe rogan more than bill gates or donald trump. Tell me how I am narcisstic. I am eager for self growth.

Gravity doesn't exist... agree with me or go fetch links to prove me wrong LOL....

[jono]

I buy it fwiw. What purpose would be served if it's disinformation? There's no motivation that I can see to write and distribute other than telling the truth.

The only angle I can see, and it'd be a very subtle game, would be providing a credible source saying Putin is bluffing on nukes.

Not that I disagree, I think the reasoning there looks sound. But it certainly would be useful, in a small way, to kick the legs out of his threat.

[MTT]

Geopolitical energy policy getting solved right here

Thanks for the chuckle.

The tv has multiple live streams of big trucks circling dc. Lots of smoke and flags

Not seeing much but reruns of Ukraine but footage is starting to come out from the fighting back around February 24th and 25th. I guess it takes awhile

Everything is being well documented

Now that Putin has all but been convicted of war crimes when do you think he just picks up his marbles and goes home?

[SumJongGuy]

In Russia today:

• Russia’s Central Bank has now officially prohibited anyone in the country from sending more than $5,000 abroad.
• VPN apps are now the top Apple Store downloads in Russia
• Moscow police officers are stopping people and requesting their phones to read their messages
• Across 49 Russian cities thousands of Russians risked imprisonment by marching in protest against the war
• The Russian Orthodox church sides with Putin, says the West engages in genocide campaigns against countries that refuse to stage gay parades
• Russian protestor “I survived the Leningrad Siege! My father died at the front […] What do you want from me?” says an elderly woman in Kaliningrad today. “We have friends and family in Ukraine!” says another woman. “You came to support the fascists?” asks the cop, then orders them all arrested
• Putin continues to push the Ukrainian dirty bomb false flag narrative
• Russia continues its crackdown on journalists and independent media
• Putin is piloting the nation like a drunken maniac with the state media retconning his every word 24/7

Putin is definitely putting the CCCP band back together along with the oppressive practices. Expect more isolationism, NHL Players to either return to KHL or defect like back in the 1980s.

I don't see the question at this point is "what about Ukraine?".. That's no different than "What about Crimea?" The question I have is "Who's next?" Putin (and likely Xi) will keep pushing as long as there is no significant military response from the west... and that response makes nuclear escalation more likely than not.. Go big or give Putin what he wants..

[Cono Este]

A question, what did Putin do when we invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq? Are these leaders supposed to start WW3? Economic sanctions and their own ineptitude are working against the Russians.


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I totally agree with that question. We need to look at ourselves from the outside more often. Putting missies in Turkey, flying recon off the Chinese coast, then freaking out when they expand in the South China Sea. But let’s be honest, 80% of Americans couldn’t find any of these places on a map.

Still, shooting down an airliner was pretty ridiculous and Bush did 0 over Georgia.


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[MontuckyFried]

RE: No more Russian oil for USA. Yes symbolic but it would still hurt Russia. Cue the GOP 2024 wannabes bitching about to rising costs of energy. It will go up sharply whether or not we buy Russian oil. God forbid people try and use less.

I dunno. Seems pretty unanimous from even within some of my more conservative circles that we should cut off all the imports we can (not just Russia either) so we can ramp up our domestic industry. ALL I've talked to are on board with higher prices if it means more US jobs, a better economy, etc. Also exciting (that even you'd probably like) is that there some heavy pushes right now from the same crowd to continue ramping up clean energy all toward the same goals. More self reliance is a win-win-win. Hell, I even have another job interview this week for some exciting new green energy projects going on. Many O&G guys have made the switch or dabbling in both. Job openings across multiple sectors starting to pop up as Russia has everyone finally realizing how important this entire topic is.

And yeah. We should ALL being doing our parts to use less O&G no matter what. You won't catch my ass with a lifted truck. Haha


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[4matic]

Putin is definitely putting the CCCP band back together along with the oppressive practices. Expect more isolationism, NHL Players to either return to KHL or defect like back in the 1980s.

I don't see the question at this point is "what about Ukraine?".. That's no different than "What about Crimea?" The question I have is "Who's next?" Putin (and likely Xi) will keep pushing as long as there is no significant military response from the west... and that response makes nuclear escalation more likely than not.. Go big or give Putin what he wants..

I don’t get the “likely Xi”. Since Vietnam China has never deployed active troops beyond its border except to support UN peace keeping.

[4matic]

ramp up our domestic industry.

What does that mean? A government program that subsidizes exploration by private companies? If they take the money they can’t pay dividends or do stock buybacks.

[mcphee]

I dunno. Seems pretty unanimous from even within some of my more conservative circles that we should cut off all the imports we can (not just Russia either) so we can ramp up our domestic industry. ALL I've talked to are on board with higher prices if it means more US jobs, a better economy, etc. Also exciting (that even you'd probably like) is that there some heavy pushes right now from the same crowd to continue ramping up clean energy all toward the same goals. More self reliance is a win-win-win. Hell, I even have another job interview this week for some exciting new green energy projects going on. Many O&G guys have made the switch or dabbling in both. Job openings across multiple sectors starting to pop up as Russia has everyone finally realizing how important this entire topic is.

And yeah. We should ALL being doing our parts to use less O&G no matter what. You won't catch my ass with a lifted truck. Haha


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Your drool is dripping onto everyone’s keyboard through this thread. Get a hold of yourself.

[dunfree]

I don’t get the “likely Xi”. Since Vietnam China has never deployed active troops beyond its border except to support UN peace keeping.

they’ve literally occupied parts of India and Bhutan. Several PLA soldiers died in a clash with Indian soldiers last year on Indian territory. That party line only works if you also accept the party’s rather flexible definition of what the prc is.

but I don’t think the bands getting back together. Xi is a Russophile in a way and predisposed to them, but china has left Russia in the dirt economically, and perhaps militarily.

[Tri-Ungulate]

Yeah, I know. Anyway, the kinda English translation of jonos purported FSB link is here in pastebin: https://pastebin.com/2agMRGmd

Christo Grozev from bell?ngcat thinks it could possibly be real, and he appears to not be the overly credulous type.

I should clarify that what I was saying in an overly roundabout way is that IMO, Grozev himself seems legit, and he seems to think the text is for real. So by implication, I buy it too FWIW.

It is interesting in how it mentions how the Russians were going to accuse Ukraine of secretly building nukes shortly before they actually did make the accusation.

[eleeskiing]

So wtf is going on with the war? Enough of the leroy bullshit...

I heard there was a tgr elimination tournament going on and Leroy is pretty mad he didn’t make the top 16.
Seems like he is overcompensating a bit. Perhaps he’s already trying to sway the selection committee for next year’s tourney.

[highangle]

I wonder who exactly is buying that 4% and for what purpose?

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[MultiVerse]

It's just about 10PM in Ukraine and there are reports of a massive Russian air offensive taking place with flights out of Belarus. It's going to be another long night.

[Bunion 2020]

Now that Putin has all but been convicted of war crimes when do you think he just picks up his marbles and goes home?

He can't. He is standing solidly on his dick and if he tries to get off it he will squash it flat.

[oldnew_guy]

Seems to me that stopping Russian oil imports in the short term drives up pump prices which makes the whole thing politically untenable, but maybe that’s the point of those cheerleading this particular effort.

We have already tanked their economy so hard Putin says it is an act of war. I guess they haven’t stopped their invasion so we should just keep applying pressure? I don’t see a clear answer other than an economy reliant on oil is pretty fragile in these circumstances and a different energy mix would be helpful.

[MultiVerse]

Seems to me that stopping Russian oil imports in the short term drives up pump prices which makes the whole thing politically untenable, but maybe that’s the point of those cheerleading this particular effort.

It's a cynical ploy to raise gas prices in order to blame raising costs on Biden.

Food prices are going to rise too. Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and Putin's war will cause prices to rise in the West as well as cause famine in poorer countries.