Climbing Skins

[Cocximus]

I nicked a glueless skin and it keeps tearing when I use it. I scraped the "glueless" and tried gluing it with goop. No success the goop isn't strong enough. I need a thin baker. Any ideas?

[XXX-er]

I think you will need to glue a backing sheet on the glue side of skin, probably a piece of thin nylon cloth or a dryer sheet, maybe you can glue backer sheet with the tube of goop you already have ?

I fixed a rip in a glueless skin using AQS which worked but the hot skin glue didnt stick to the skin

[Cocximus]

I goop glued the glue side of the skin, good idea with the dryer sheet. Maybe i shuld just glue the front(hairry) side? The goop should stick to that and not mess with glide that much.

[XXX-er]

I goop glued the glue side of the skin, good idea with the dryer sheet. Maybe i shuld just glue the front(hairry) side? The goop should stick to that and not mess with glide that much.

goop isn't the repair material its just the glue IMO you need something thin backing the rip that is as strong as what was there, also it has to take flexing so find something lying around or cut an old pair of running shorts or a dryer sheet ( they are very strong) I wouldn't put goop or AQS on the plush side

edit: looking at that sentsnce again when I say " but the hot skin glue didnt stick to the skin " what i mean is the repair worked as in the piece of dryer sheet glued to the skin

what did not work is the black diamond gold label skin glue commonly known as " hot glue " did not stick to the glue less skin which I supose would make sense ?

so far nobody has told me what to do for a glue problem on a glueless type skin, I tried hot glue but it doesnt stick, sgt dreyfus sez he has reglued glueless skins with hot glue but it didnt work for me so fuck it

[Duffman]

I have a pair of the older burly BD Mohair Mix STS cut for a 98 underfoot ski in nearly new condition. Will I definitely die if I try and use those on a 104mm waist ski? Or will I just hate life

[Danno]

you will only notice that they're not perfectly ideal when hitting icy sidehills, otherwise you'll be fine.

Oh, um, yer gonna die.

[Duffman]

you will only notice that they're not perfectly ideal when hitting icy sidehills, otherwise you'll be fine.

Oh, um, yer gonna die.

Cool. Given my current fitness level, death on a long skin isn't the worst option

[Cocximus]

goop isn't the repair material its just the glue IMO you need something thin backing the rip that is as strong as what was there, also it has to take flexing so find something lying around or cut an old pair of running shorts or a dryer sheet ( they are very strong) I wouldn't put goop or AQS on the plush side

edit: looking at that sentsnce again when I say " but the hot skin glue didnt stick to the skin " what i mean is the repair worked as in the piece of dryer sheet glued to the skin

what did not work is the black diamond gold label skin glue commonly known as " hot glue " did not stick to the glue less skin which I supose would make sense ?

so far nobody has told me what to do for a glue problem on a glueless type skin, I tried hot glue but it doesnt stick, sgt dreyfus sez he has reglued glueless skins with hot glue but it didnt work for me so fuck it

Dude on YouTube did it and he says it worked. I scraped the "glueless" glue patch I am trying to fix with a blue scotch Brite pad. My glueless skins work pretty well, I haven't had a failure to make me say fuck it yet. Strong citruous degreaser and dawn dish shop revives them.

Does the gold label glue stick to goop and aqs?

[XXX-er]

Dude on YouTube did it and he says it worked. I scraped the "glueless" glue patch I am trying to fix with a blue scotch Brite pad. My glueless skins work pretty well, I haven't had a failure to make me say fuck it yet. Strong citruous degreaser and dawn dish shop revives them.

Does the gold label glue stick to goop and aqs?

I am unwilling to once again try goldlabel on a glueless skin cuz it may be a waste of time/ waste of a tube of goldlabel/ waste of brain cells, but some one should try it

the pair I was wanking about with had got overheated above a stove and quit sticking to the skil according to a bud,

I think gold label will stick to AQS or Goop but i can't say for sure

If your skins work pretty well why are you asking strangers on TGR how to fix them ?

[apocequip307]

Like everyone, I used BD skins for a long time. I used to be able to use BD skins more or less indefinitely; the glue would become more of a pain in the ass as they got older, but it would generally behave in a predictable manner.

I started using Pomocas about 4 years ago and immediately found them to be nicer to use, or "higher performance" than BD skins. I have had the lime green 100% mohair skins and the yellow mixed material skins. Compared to BD, they're lighter, more packable, way better glide, and glue that stuck to ski bases but was very easy to pull apart.

But with all the pomocas I've had, the skins have begun leaving glue on my ski bases while out skiing. It seems to happen particularly on cold days, when coarse snow crystals seem particularly enhance friction with gluey p-tex. We've had four pair of Pomocas in my household and they've all done this; my most recent pair started doing it after probably about 30-40 days of total use. waxing skis seems to help temporarily as does ironing the skin glue (with parchment between iron and glue).

So my first question is how many of you have experienced this with Pomoca climbing skins? I have heard it's fairly common and know three other people who claim to have experienced it.

My second question is: what do you think the best climbing skins are these days? I impulse bought some Kohla Alpinist mohair skins right before a recent trip to canada because I didn't want to deal with the pomocas. They're really nice packable, glidey mohair skins. But the glue SUCKS. The skins do not remain adhered to my skis. So if I don'd want bulky, not-slidely BD skins, or pomocas or Kohlas because the glue sucks, what do you like?

Can confirm that the pomoca's leaving glue on skis is a common experience in my circles. I've been trying to remove some of the glue with a brown bag and iron or heat gun and scraper, and running a generally thinner layer of glue. Not enough experience to say whether its worked yet.

Ive had good luck with Ski trab mohair or mix (rebranded contour) plush from skimo.co, only downside is the 100% mohair wears out on the plush side somewhat quickly with lots of travel on firm/abrasive snow, but the glue and plush performance are excellent while they last.

[Cocximus]

I am unwilling to once again try goldlabel on a glueless skin cuz it may be a waste of time/ waste of a tube of goldlabel/ waste of brain cells, but some one should try it

the pair I was wanking about with had got overheated above a stove and quit sticking to the skil according to a bud,

I think gold label will stick to AQS or Goop but i can't say for sure

If your skins work pretty well why are you asking strangers on TGR how to fix them ?

I was asking for help with the tear...

[Blaster]

I put a sizable tear in the thin BD momix skins. To fix it I stripped the glue around the area, sewed with dental floss, and aqua sealed it. Then reapplied some glue. I bet you could get away with stripping the glue then applying one of those gear aid tenacious tape gore Tex patches then a thin layer of aqua seal and re applying skin glue over the area. The dental floss is good but leaves a slightly noticeable lump.

[MakersTeleMark]

I thought that was an EC 1st decent. Like the thumb photo, I was fooled by the internet.

[XXX-er]

IME fixing literaly hundreds of drysuits which always had to be 100% dry, in 5 yrs I never sewed anything just patch with AQS by gluing on a piece of nylon or gortex to overlap the repair

I've seen the dental floss thing before, it works but usually what will happen is the holes enlarge so the skin pulls to one side

if your skin ripped while just taking it off the ski, if the hardware fucked up from just being walked on, your skins are not fine

if the glue fucks up well that happens so just replace it

if the glue fucks up and there is no way to fix it that is not fine

I don't really think much of the latest designs

[Duffman]

So a bit more gap.than I thought there would be. Around 3mm per side in the waist but more near the tip. Still ok to use , or just stop being cheap and get new skins?



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[XXX-er]

You will probably be OK but I think it would depend on where you ski

I didnt have full coverage at Rogers pass which is steep and was back sliding into tree wells, I went back the next year with W2W skins and my error was obvious

i still got & use that setup with those skins but now I know the limitations of the setup

[Danno]

I'm sure you'll be fine, what's the worst that can happen?

[Duffman]

You will probably be OK but I think it would depend on where you ski

I didnt have full coverage at Rogers pass which is steep and was back sliding into tree wells, I went back the next year with W2W skins and my error was obvious

i still got & use that setup with those skins but now I know the limitations of the setup

Ha. I remember you telling that story here years ago. I think that's where my concern subconsciously comes from.
This is a heavy as fuck travel / hybrid setup , so odds of skinning anything too steep with it are slim. Icy high traffic tracks are possible though. I just would prefer to keep from backsliding into tree wells .

[MakersTeleMark]

It's like the "should you eat it" thread. Just use them. You'll be fine.

[bfree]

Sidehilling on firm/icy stuff is going to suck with that. If you can keep your skins flat on the snow, you'll be fine. Only you know your use case. I'd probably be fine with that for a winter only setup, but not a chance for spring use.

[MakersTeleMark]

He's from philly, he got this jawn.

[Cocximus]

My emergency skins that sit in the top box for when I forget my skins are about 90mm. I used them on 109 skis. Forget side hilling. Go straight up. This is the way.

[Sargentdrufus]

I have a pair of the older burly BD Mohair Mix STS cut for a 98 underfoot ski in nearly new condition. Will I definitely die if I try and use those on a 104mm waist ski? Or will I just hate life

I used a 98mm skin on my DWT (112mm) for a season, developed really really good skinning technique, I have since moved to a 110mm skin but the lessons learned were invaluable. So it is doable 98 to 104 you really shouldn't have any problems in my view

[Duffman]

He's from philly, he got this jawn.

Youse bet. (That is until I slide back into a tree well and end up with Embiid knee )

[XXX-er]

" dribs and drabs of snow here are 15cm " said the parks guy at the rogers pass-sign in, we would come back after a weekend time-out in Banff and there is 1/2 a meter of new snow so the up-track gets set pretty steep but if it hasnt snowed the existing skin track can be pretty slick but OTOH no snow for a couple weeks and we could ski all kinds of places that might normaly be too dangerous

I got the Dynafit Stoke & Denali with the lazer cut pomoca's and a lotus 120 with W2W cut G3's, they have all been reglued with gold label, I am a big proponenet of the dentists learning to re-glue

I think how soft a ski is has some effect on how well it grips the snow

I've noticed a trend that people will often sell a ski without the binding but with the skin that was cut for it