$4K Trail Bike

[smmokan]

$5400 for a used bike with any SLX parts is a tough sell.

[bamboocoreONLY]

If it were the '21+ model with revised geo, sure. The last gen geo won't fetch nearly as high a price. It's a cool bike but I'd expect to get more like 4-4.5k for it. Then again, there's so many noobs buying bikes right now I could be totally wrong. I've been seeing GX build bikes with the only carbon being the frame selling for 5-6k. Start high, go low!

[rideit]

My gut tells me $4500. I have an XT rear D., but I could only find an SLX cassette.

[Danno]

If all goes as planned, my spur will be up for sale in 2 weeks or so. Moderately pimp-ish build, on the burly end as far as spur builds go.

It'll probably go on pinkbike for around $5500, but mag pricing is available. Lemme know if that seems like it'd be of interest and I'll get you more info.

I'm trying to convince myself that I should bump up the budget (which is somewhat arbitrary to begin with). Hmmm...

[Tech Tonics]

My buddy just got a YT Izzo and it seems like an awesome bike for the $


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[SWskier]

Check out Fezzari. Yeah the name is dumb. I've had my Delano for two weeks. $4600 for XT build with Float X and Fox 36. The comp build still has a pretty good spec with DVO suspension for $3800. I'm on XL so lead time wasn't too bad for my build. If you are needing a Large probably go for the comp to save a little $ and actually get it in a reasonable timeframe.

[Danno]

My buddy just got a YT Izzo and it seems like an awesome bike for the $


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How shitty is this component group, because this is the only available. But the price is right: https://us.yt-industries.com/product...-core-2/#tech3

[Jtlange]

How shitty is this component group, because this is the only available. But the price is right: https://us.yt-industries.com/product...-core-2/#tech3

NX Eagle isnt terrible by any means and you get some pretty ok Fox suspension. I will say im really digging my Ripley AF. NGX for a Ripley AF is a few hundred more, but man does it pedal sweet.

[El Chupacabra]

How shitty is this component group, because this is the only available. But the price is right: https://us.yt-industries.com/product...-core-2/#tech3

Compare it to the next level up Izzo, and it looks like a good value - suspension and wheels are the same on both, decent other parts and dropper. IMHO it's a decent package in today's market. There's room for improvement, but I'd do that over time - watch for deals, new take-off parts, and upgrade when you can.

[adrenalated]

How shitty is this component group, because this is the only available. But the price is right: https://us.yt-industries.com/product...-core-2/#tech3

It's similar to the spec on my wife's bike.
Suspension = pretty decent
Drivetrain = fine, kinda heavy, but works well
Brakes, wheels = perfectly acceptable
Dropper = meh, 125mm on a MD? c'mon
Cockpit etc = fine

For the price it's a solid value. I'd probably throw away the dropper and tires immediately (replace with a 150mm dropper and burlier tires) then keep an eye out for a good deal on a GX groupset.

[Dromond]

Check out Fezzari. Yeah the name is dumb. I've had my Delano for two weeks. $4600 for XT build with Float X and Fox 36. The comp build still has a pretty good spec with DVO suspension for $3800. I'm on XL so lead time wasn't too bad for my build. If you are needing a Large probably go for the comp to save a little $ and actually get it in a reasonable timeframe.

Same here. Silly brand name, but the Delano Peak is a good bike. I've had mine for one season and I really like it. I have the same Fox/XT build. The blue color looks nice but the coral color is hideous, so choose appropriately.

[smmokan]

It's similar to the spec on my wife's bike.
Suspension = pretty decent
Drivetrain = fine, kinda heavy, but works well
Brakes, wheels = perfectly acceptable
Dropper = meh, 125mm on a MD? c'mon
Cockpit etc = fine

For the price it's a solid value. I'd probably throw away the dropper and tires immediately (replace with a 150mm dropper and burlier tires) then keep an eye out for a good deal on a GX groupset.

Be careful automagically assuming a 150mm dropper works for everyone on a medium. I usually have to spec 125mm on at least one of our medium demos, because if you have short 30-31" inseam legs, on some bikes the dropper isn't low enough. For example, I'm 5'11" with a 31" inseam and can only run a 160mm dropper on the Propain frames. Revel is also one where I have to watch it too.

[nick_B10]

Compare it to the next level up Izzo, and it looks like a good value - suspension and wheels are the same on both, decent other parts and dropper. IMHO it's a decent package in today's market. There's room for improvement, but I'd do that over time - watch for deals, new take-off parts, and upgrade when you can.

The Suspension isn't the same, the core 2 has a grip damper and the core 3 has the grip2 damper. The fork chassis is the same though, so the damper could be upgraded in the future.

I agree that the core2 is much better value, you buy the core 2, a grip2 damper and a gx groupset for the price of a core3, so you don't lose anything buying and upgrading over time.

[El Chupacabra]

The Suspension isn't the same, the core 2 has a grip damper and the core 3 has the grip2 damper. The fork chassis is the same though, so the damper could be upgraded in the future.

I agree that the core2 is much better value, you buy the core 2, a grip2 damper and a gx groupset for the price of a core3, so you don't lose anything buying and upgrading over time.

I missed that. Rear shock is different too, and rear triangle (aluminum vs carbon).

https://us.yt-industries.com/TwProdu.../number/101417

[alpinevibes]

I missed that. Rear shock is different too, and rear triangle (aluminum vs carbon).

https://us.yt-industries.com/TwProdu.../number/101417

Hmm, had never noticed the triangle difference with the Core lineup, but makes sense. When I bought my Izzo Pro Race at the end of 2020, the $2999 Izzo "Comp" build had the same all-carbon frame.

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/yt-izzo-comp-2020-review/

I think the big picture with the Izzo is that the lower price point gives you more breathing room to upgrade what you want. My wife's Ripley was like $7500 (w/carbon wheels and Factory) for an SLX build...

[grskier]

Be careful automagically assuming a 150mm dropper works for everyone on a medium. I usually have to spec 125mm on at least one of our medium demos, because if you have short 30-31" inseam legs, on some bikes the dropper isn't low enough. For example, I'm 5'11" with a 31" inseam and can only run a 160mm dropper on the Propain frames. Revel is also one where I have to watch it too.

That's why I like those PNW droppers with the tool-less travel adjust.

[adrenalated]

Be careful automagically assuming a 150mm dropper works for everyone on a medium. I usually have to spec 125mm on at least one of our medium demos, because if you have short 30-31" inseam legs, on some bikes the dropper isn't low enough. For example, I'm 5'11" with a 31" inseam and can only run a 160mm dropper on the Propain frames. Revel is also one where I have to watch it too.

That's a fair point, and it's definitely going to depend on the frame. My 30" inseam has way more than enough room for a 150mm OneUp dropper on both my Patrol and Optic, but that might not be the case on all frames. I don't know about the Izzo.

[Backward_Banana]

FWIW I have a 2019 Jeffsy with the same build basically as that Izzo. It's lasted me 3 seasons with no significant upgrades, I have been able to ride everything I've wanted to in the NW. For the money, it's been a good bike for me.

[gretch6364]

Out of curiosity...do the mags feels as though the latest generation of bike frames will become "outdated" at a slower rate then the last gen? I am new to this all, but feels like there is a line in time when the current frame geometries started hitting the market. Obviously I can't predict the new innovations coming...but what could come soon that would make people again want to upgrade frame sets?

I am only asking from the standpoint of how one allocates funds in a new bike purchase. If we are anticipating 5 plus seasons out of the current generation of frames...might make sense to lean toward purchasing the frame you really want with lower components if you have a specific budget. Many of the components on modern bikes wear out and need replaced anyhow. For example....I am not hoping for my GX bits to wear out sooner on an almost new bike...but going to GX AXS will be fun and new parts can feed the itch to upgrade....at least for a little.

[skaredshtles]

Hmm, had never noticed the triangle difference with the Core lineup, but makes sense. When I bought my Izzo Pro Race at the end of 2020, the $2999 Izzo "Comp" build had the same all-carbon frame.

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/yt-izzo-comp-2020-review/

I think the big picture with the Izzo is that the lower price point gives you more breathing room to upgrade what you want. My wife's Ripley was like $7500 (w/carbon wheels and Factory) for an SLX build...

TBH, I'd rather have an alloy rear triangle - those things (at least when I'm at the helm) take a BRUTAL beating from rocks and shit.

[skaredshtles]

Out of curiosity...do the mags feels as though the latest generation of bike frames will become "outdated" at a slower rate then the last gen?

Nah - they'll keep "innovating" even if that term is meaningless when applied to mt bike shit.

My prediction: people will start to swing back the other direction 'cause the bikes are "quick and nimble."

You know it's going to happen...

[toast2266]

Out of curiosity...do the mags feels as though the latest generation of bike frames will become "outdated" at a slower rate then the last gen? I am new to this all, but feels like there is a line in time when the current frame geometries started hitting the market. Obviously I can't predict the new innovations coming...but what could come soon that would make people again want to upgrade frame sets?

I am only asking from the standpoint of how one allocates funds in a new bike purchase. If we are anticipating 5 plus seasons out of the current generation of frames...might make sense to lean toward purchasing the frame you really want with lower components if you have a specific budget. Many of the components on modern bikes wear out and need replaced anyhow. For example....I am not hoping for my GX bits to wear out sooner on an almost new bike...but going to GX AXS will be fun and new parts can feed the itch to upgrade....at least for a little.

I think current geo on frames will be more or less consistent for the foreseeable future - the industry has mostly settled out on most of the geo numbers. If you look at bikes from 2015-ish that were very progressive in their geometry, they still look pretty modern today but they looked quite a bit different than the "average" 2015 bike. If you look at the most progressive bikes on the market right now, they're not that much different (in terms of geometry) than the average bike from Specialized / Trek / Santa Cruz, etc.

That said, the bike industry will 100% find some minor modification and try to convince everyone that it's absolutely necessary for a bike to functionally roll down a trail. And I, of course, will sell my old shit and buy that new marginally different thing because I'm a fucking idiot.

[simple]

The next wave will have 30.25 tires because 29ers aren't fast enough.

And everything will be an ebike because the government will be dismantled by authoritarianism, everyone will live in a virtual world because you can't go outside because of the pollution and nuclear bomb fallout, and you will need the speed to outpedal the mutant zombies that live outside...

[singlesline]

Check out Fezzari. Yeah the name is dumb. I've had my Delano for two weeks. $4600 for XT build with Float X and Fox 36. The comp build still has a pretty good spec with DVO suspension for $3800. I'm on XL so lead time wasn't too bad for my build. If you are needing a Large probably go for the comp to save a little $ and actually get it in a reasonable timeframe.

Except the XT build inexplicably comes with an SLX shifter...most people seem like they would prefer it the other way around.

And they bumped the price on the Comp build again (and dropped the shimano SLX/Deore version)

I would guess their lead times are over-estimates though, especially if you can talk to them and figure out what the bottleneck parts are and get a substitute). I was looking at them back in November and they were talking about 40+ week lead times on bikes that are now promising 2-week lead times.

All frame sizes seem to be in stock, so the fact that some sizes of certain builds have long lead times implies that it is some size-specific part of the build kit that is holding things up. Likely the dropper post or the crank arms as I can't think of what else would change by size. Seems like it should be easy for them to upgrade/downgrade those parts if you really want the bike ASAP.

[Andeh]

Out of curiosity...do the mags feels as though the latest generation of bike frames will become "outdated" at a slower rate then the last gen? I am new to this all, but feels like there is a line in time when the current frame geometries started hitting the market. Obviously I can't predict the new innovations coming...but what could come soon that would make people again want to upgrade frame sets?

It does feel that way for me. Geometry seems to be consolidating around acceptable ranges, with a fairly defined lower bound (~63 for DH bikes) that extremely aggressive freeride/enduro bikes get close to, and a soft upper bound of around 66-65 on the XC / "downcountry" end of things. Even relatively conservative companies like Santa Cruz are realizing that 77+ degree seat angles are safe. Most companies are also on board with straight (fewer have bends in them, or if they do, less severe) & low seat tubes, so that riders have more flexibility in picking out frame size based on reach preference. Frame suspension kinematics are also trending towards a similar characteristic of linear-progressive and a high amount of anti-squat.

I am someone who loves upgrading to the latest and greatest thing, and previously believed that the sweet spot for upgrading was every 2 years (based on rate of change and resale value). But lately I have come to realize that even the latest and greatest recent releases are very, very minor changes from my mulleted 2020 (2019 release) GG Megatrail. I've more or less stopped window shopping for a new frame that I'd normally be looking for in this year, and instead am only looking at stuff that's really unique, and has the potential to really change my bike. I'd love to try an O-Chain for instance, if they ever get a restock of the one for my crank.