187 UL Protest is 2000g
I think the old 192 Lotus 138s were also about 2000g.
186 Voile Hyper Drifter (158-124-141) is 1700g
185 Cochise 106 weighs 2250.
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187 UL Protest is 2000g
I think the old 192 Lotus 138s were also about 2000g.
186 Voile Hyper Drifter (158-124-141) is 1700g
185 Cochise 106 weighs 2250.
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and cost a few hundred more 6 years ago... adjusted for inflation unless the ARG ULs are coming in north of $1500 i don't think its a reasonable comparison. I remember a few years back, while developing the Mindbender K2 showed me a ~120mm ski which was insanely light yet still skied great. When asked why it wouldn't go to market was told "it would be over $1200 and we aren't DPS"
The BMT's have about a -10 mount, and come in a 186. If the Katana was adjusted to 186 instead of 184, and bumped the mount forward a bit then they would keep roughly the same amount of tip and still plane well in the deep. Dream ski.
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Ahhh, I really wonder if it will be more like the 120 or if they will give the 110 a stronger flex...
That Ski - the BC 110 - and the new LP105 are the two skis I am saving money for...
Moonlight Cruiser is 1300g in 186 with 120mm waist for you looking for powder touring ski.<br>
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BC 110s are going to fucking fuck. Only question is do I get 2 pairs: 1 light tech, 1 alpine. Or just do inserts.
This was the only ski that could have kept me from getting a pair of the new hojis. Gonna see I can get them this year in Austria.
I get that people are excited about the BC110s - especially for touring/backcountry use, but daily a 1750gr ski in resorts? Sure the swing weight is super low, but how much work do you want in variable? I do not get it, but then again all of Atomic skis are really light - so I guess it works well for a lot of skiers.
I get you, but the BC120 has been great in Euro bad snow. We get crusts and fucked up densities, but relatively smooth top surfaces. Not the same as JH at 11am.
I'm also a light on my feet skier and motocross crud vs blow through it. I went to the revolt 104 for a resort ski, but it's not wide enough to really break free in crusty snow. This is after 3 years of 90% hoji skiing (light and heavy). Also toured a lot on my ravens last year, but always wished it was the hoji over 10cm cuz I like the surf. Hojis had to go because they were just too rockered, new ones addressed that, but maybe not enough. 2000g ehp would be my last touring ski till the end of time.
I've been looking for the right 110 touring ski. It's the best width for euro snow (outside of a powder day)
I was surprised how little my ski style changed going from hoji, kusala, renegades to bc120. I think they share similar design principles, just add more tip/tail width (but not much).
They are just easy to ski and don't do weird stuff, which is what I like about EH skis. But Atomic's construction skis so good for me at that weight.
1850g = Possible 188 weight for bent chetler
1950= Hoji weight
I don't care about 100 grams, but Hojis are not available in Europe (under $1400) and they aren't built by Atomic, so the decision has been made.
BC110 is more a narrower 120; rather than a wider 100.
I am based in Euroland as well, and while what you write makes for a compelling case for a slightly heavier ski - you still know best what works for you. I would personally opt for MF108s mounted slightly forward for resort use, while BC110s seem to be an awesome contender for you for touring.
Gross… And I am French [emoji3] Is it the forza 3.0 and others (raw, gold, black) stay?
It's funny we call 110 midfats, I think it's right. 100 are my skinny skis :-)
To wrap up my point before thread drift. I skied dust on baked or refrozen crud this morning. I'm not thinking about weight, geometry, length or any spec with the BC120, but the way that ski is put together just makes me want to go fast. I've always been one to over-analyze and exclude skis outside what I thought looked right (did for years on the BC).
They are soft enough to jiggle over the bumps, but then stiffen up. I hit a couple of things now and then where I know something skinnier and heavier would be better, but not enough to make me switch. Revolt 104 wouldn't have been as fun today (hoji would have been great). But the BC110 would have probably been perfect for the less than great snow, and would have skied the 15-20cm of alpine pow available well enough.
I'm most interested in the ski for touring, but the potential with real boots and alpine bindings is there, I'm sure.
https://www.freeride.se/nar-konst-mo...hetler-skidor/
All the new Bents
I think this link was already shared in this thread, but if not - Atomic 22/23 catalogue
Official release is today at 10a mst by Chris himself. I doubt we’ll get new info but I’ll post anything relevant.
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Bent 110 in 172 are available for purchase on the Atomic USA site
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