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    187 UL Protest is 2000g
    I think the old 192 Lotus 138s were also about 2000g.
    186 Voile Hyper Drifter (158-124-141) is 1700g
    185 Cochise 106 weighs 2250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Yeah, I'm not actually mad at it, just thought it was funny.

    Though my 192 Lotus 138 Pure 3s are lighter, so there's that.
    and cost a few hundred more 6 years ago... adjusted for inflation unless the ARG ULs are coming in north of $1500 i don't think its a reasonable comparison. I remember a few years back, while developing the Mindbender K2 showed me a ~120mm ski which was insanely light yet still skied great. When asked why it wouldn't go to market was told "it would be over $1200 and we aren't DPS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    ain't that the truth.
    The BMT's have about a -10 mount, and come in a 186. If the Katana was adjusted to 186 instead of 184, and bumped the mount forward a bit then they would keep roughly the same amount of tip and still plane well in the deep. Dream ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    and cost a few hundred more 6 years ago... adjusted for inflation unless the ARG ULs are coming in north of $1500 i don't think its a reasonable comparison. I remember a few years back, while developing the Mindbender K2 showed me a ~120mm ski which was insanely light yet still skied great. When asked why it wouldn't go to market was told "it would be over $1200 and we aren't DPS"
    I'm looking for something my wife can use. While 2,200 might not be much to a young guy that can be a hell of a lot to an older lady. At a certain point in life grams start to matter! I guess the search continues.

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    old news at this point but here are the bc 110's in the wild today
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    Ahhh, I really wonder if it will be more like the 120 or if they will give the 110 a stronger flex...

    That Ski - the BC 110 - and the new LP105 are the two skis I am saving money for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by obi wan kenobi View Post
    Ahhh, I really wonder if it will be more like the 120 or if they will give the 110 a stronger flex...

    That Ski - the BC 110 - and the new LP105 are the two skis I am saving money for...
    I hope it’s more like the 120. My wife wants a pair for powder but prefers noodles and is too short for the current lengths of BC 120. The 110 would probably be a better width for her too, 120 is kind of a lot when you are barely over 5’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    and cost a few hundred more 6 years ago... adjusted for inflation unless the ARG ULs are coming in north of $1500 i don't think its a reasonable comparison. I remember a few years back, while developing the Mindbender K2 showed me a ~120mm ski which was insanely light yet still skied great. When asked why it wouldn't go to market was told "it would be over $1200 and we aren't DPS"
    I always wondered if skis actually cost that much to produce to justify a $800-1000 price tag even (but paying back the r&d going into it, I understand that)

    can't a savior come along and make some for just $333?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiwurrel View Post
    I always wondered if skis actually cost that much to produce to justify a $800-1000 price tag even (but paying back the r&d going into it, I understand that)

    can't a savior come along and make some for just $333?
    It’s really because of business margin. If a ski say K2 makes is $250 and the all in margin is 3x you get a $750 ski. Make a ski for $350 and that is then a $1050 ski. Carbon is expensive! Note the numbers look a little like Katana regular vs V-Werks

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    Moonlight Cruiser is 1300g in 186 with 120mm waist for you looking for powder touring ski.<br>
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    BC 110s are going to fucking fuck. Only question is do I get 2 pairs: 1 light tech, 1 alpine. Or just do inserts.

    This was the only ski that could have kept me from getting a pair of the new hojis. Gonna see I can get them this year in Austria.

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    I get that people are excited about the BC110s - especially for touring/backcountry use, but daily a 1750gr ski in resorts? Sure the swing weight is super low, but how much work do you want in variable? I do not get it, but then again all of Atomic skis are really light - so I guess it works well for a lot of skiers.

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    I get you, but the BC120 has been great in Euro bad snow. We get crusts and fucked up densities, but relatively smooth top surfaces. Not the same as JH at 11am.

    I'm also a light on my feet skier and motocross crud vs blow through it. I went to the revolt 104 for a resort ski, but it's not wide enough to really break free in crusty snow. This is after 3 years of 90% hoji skiing (light and heavy). Also toured a lot on my ravens last year, but always wished it was the hoji over 10cm cuz I like the surf. Hojis had to go because they were just too rockered, new ones addressed that, but maybe not enough. 2000g ehp would be my last touring ski till the end of time.

    I've been looking for the right 110 touring ski. It's the best width for euro snow (outside of a powder day)

    I was surprised how little my ski style changed going from hoji, kusala, renegades to bc120. I think they share similar design principles, just add more tip/tail width (but not much).

    They are just easy to ski and don't do weird stuff, which is what I like about EH skis. But Atomic's construction skis so good for me at that weight.

    1850g = Possible 188 weight for bent chetler
    1950= Hoji weight

    I don't care about 100 grams, but Hojis are not available in Europe (under $1400) and they aren't built by Atomic, so the decision has been made.

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    BC110 is more a narrower 120; rather than a wider 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRainey View Post
    I get you, but the BC120 has been great in Euro bad snow. We get crusts and fucked up densities, but relatively smooth top surfaces. Not the same as JH at 11am.
    I am based in Euroland as well, and while what you write makes for a compelling case for a slightly heavier ski - you still know best what works for you. I would personally opt for MF108s mounted slightly forward for resort use, while BC110s seem to be an awesome contender for you for touring.

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    Fucking disgusting. I’m bummed.

    The French and their rasta fetish…
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    22/23 gear rumors

    Gross… And I am French [emoji3] Is it the forza 3.0 and others (raw, gold, black) stay?

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    hm, guess I was mistaken in that they wouldn't update the 102. Seems like 2022 will be the year of the midfat - BC110, now Ranger 108 (if FR) and perhaps also Black Ops 110 (gamer made narrower, if they have managed to move it past the prototype stage at this point).

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    It's funny we call 110 midfats, I think it's right. 100 are my skinny skis :-)

    To wrap up my point before thread drift. I skied dust on baked or refrozen crud this morning. I'm not thinking about weight, geometry, length or any spec with the BC120, but the way that ski is put together just makes me want to go fast. I've always been one to over-analyze and exclude skis outside what I thought looked right (did for years on the BC).

    They are soft enough to jiggle over the bumps, but then stiffen up. I hit a couple of things now and then where I know something skinnier and heavier would be better, but not enough to make me switch. Revolt 104 wouldn't have been as fun today (hoji would have been great). But the BC110 would have probably been perfect for the less than great snow, and would have skied the 15-20cm of alpine pow available well enough.

    I'm most interested in the ski for touring, but the potential with real boots and alpine bindings is there, I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    hm, guess I was mistaken in that they wouldn't update the 102. Seems like 2022 will be the year of the midfat - BC110, now Ranger 108 (if FR) and perhaps also Black Ops 110 (gamer made narrower, if they have managed to move it past the prototype stage at this point).

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    Oh shit, I'll be those wider rangers will be fun if they are in the FR configuration. Fischer probably got tired of seeing everyone sliding around on M Free 108's with a boner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johansoderlund View Post
    I think this link was already shared in this thread, but if not - Atomic 22/23 catalogue

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    Official release is today at 10a mst by Chris himself. I doubt we’ll get new info but I’ll post anything relevant.


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    Bent 110 in 172 are available for purchase on the Atomic USA site

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