The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread

[Westcoaster]

question: do ppl like vario2 heels for any reason?

i just got a pair of magico2 used with vario2s alrdy on them. the heel seems unnecessarily heavy for the ski and i want to swap it out for plum 145 heel i have laying around. weighing any downsides before i put more holes in this ski.

as an added note ill be mounting the 145s on an adjustment plate to minimize delta (i think the toes come with the trab shim alrdy).


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vario2 heel seems robust, if overengineered.

[ktoor]

If you're using an adjustment plate then you will only be saving around ~70g, probably not worth the hassle and extra holes. Vario heels are the best on the market IMO, very elastic and good retention and release when you need them to. The Vario.2 is annoying because you have to use the spring loaded heel track due to the gapless design which weighs 80g, vs a regular adjustment plate which weighs 30g. The Plum heel turret is probably another 20-30g lighter than the Vario. I prefer the original Vario, shame they don't make it anymore.

thanks for the input! to "crunch" the numbers (only here as id be embarassed in any other thread...) from what i can see the vario2 heel is about 228g (309g stated weight minus 81g toe piece) vs 62g heel of plum + 44g adjustment plate = 106g. meaning the difference is 122g. this is obviously *very* important as its the difference between a ~1280g setup and an ~1160g setup!

info about the heel elasticity was the type i was after as there seems to be a material advantage to keeping them even on a mountaineering setup. ill give em a few resort laps and see if i take to them.


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[Benneke10]

thanks for the input! to "crunch" the numbers (only here as id be embarassed in any other thread...) from what i can see the vario2 heel is about 228g (309g stated weight minus 81g toe piece) vs 62g heel of plum + 44g adjustment plate = 106g. meaning the difference is 122g. this is obviously *very* important as its the difference between a ~1280g setup and an ~1160g setup!

info about the heel elasticity was the type i was after as there seems to be a material advantage to keeping them even on a mountaineering setup. ill give em a few resort laps and see if i take to them.


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I thought the Vario.2 weighed in at around 250g total? Skimo co has them at 254g with verified specs. I don't know where the extra weight would come from, I have personally weighed the adjustment track at around 80g.

[ktoor]

I thought the Vario.2 weighed in at around 250g total? Skimo co has them at 254g with verified specs. I don't know where the extra weight would come from, I have personally weighed the adjustment track at around 80g.

hmm thats interesting. it does say its 254g verified but on ski trab website says 309g. theres a comment on skimoco as well about it but may be the case its only 254g.

ill give em a go and see how they feel. very excited to check out the ski trab hype.


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[Westcoaster]

hmm thats interesting. it does say its 254g verified but on ski trab website says 309g. theres a comment on skimoco as well about it but may be the case its only 254g.

ill give em a go and see how they feel. very excited to check out the ski trab hype.


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With brakes but here are some weights:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zmga5SDCrF85LUKy6

[ktoor]

With brakes but here are some weights:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zmga5SDCrF85LUKy6

thanks westcoaster! this looks more in line with the 254 measurement by skimoco without brakes given how chunky them brakes look.


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[Jonathan S.]

Which one of you wrote this?

[ktoor]

Which one of you wrote this?

hahaha i saw this too and had a big chuckle. solid gold. well done whoever it was.


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[Westcoaster]

hahaha i saw this too and had a big chuckle. solid gold. well done whoever it was.


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Soon to be deleted for sure.

[Jeb McHardman]

What are folks' thoughts on multiple mounts on race skis? I've got a line on a good deal for a complete setup, but it's already been mounted twice (282 and 309 bsl), and I would be drilling a 3rd set of holes in it (294 bsl). I wouldn't be particularly worried about this with a heavier, more durable ski, but with a race setup...

[Climber Joe]

What are folks' thoughts on multiple mounts on race skis? I've got a line on a good deal for a complete setup, but it's already been mounted twice (282 and 309 bsl), and I would be drilling a 3rd set of holes in it (294 bsl). I wouldn't be particularly worried about this with a heavier, more durable ski, but with a race setup...

Go for it. The underfoot part of those skis is the only part that can take some abuse, and your BSL splits the old ones well.

[Climber Joe]

If there’s any adjustability with either the toe or heel (don’t know what bindings you’re using) you might be able to move either the heel or toe back to the old holes and make it work too

[Jeb McHardman]

Go for it. The underfoot part of those skis is the only part that can take some abuse, and your BSL splits the old ones well.

Good to hear. That was my thought, but glad to have it confirmed. The bindings don't have any adjustability, but they do evenly split the old holes, so it should work out well

[teledad]

I have race skis on their third mount, and they've been doing fine. The main worry I'd have is hole spacing - if the mount pattern is the same, the holes for 294 will be 6mm c-c from the 282 ones. If it was me I'd consider reusing the 282 mount for the toe (i.e. moving the mount back 6mm), and using an adjustable plate for the heel (if available).

[Benneke10]

What are folks' thoughts on multiple mounts on race skis? I've got a line on a good deal for a complete setup, but it's already been mounted twice (282 and 309 bsl), and I would be drilling a 3rd set of holes in it (294 bsl). I wouldn't be particularly worried about this with a heavier, more durable ski, but with a race setup...

Some race skis are designed for the toe to be mounted on a "pin line" regardless of BSL, which can make remounts easier. On an unrelated note, I have some race skis I need to get rid of and would give a mag a great price...

[Jeb McHardman]

Some race skis are designed for the toe to be mounted on a "pin line" regardless of BSL, which can make remounts easier. On an unrelated note, I have some race skis I need to get rid of and would give a mag a great price...

Which skis are they and how much are you asking for?

[Benneke10]

Which skis are they and how much are you asking for?

Atomic Backland UL 65 https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/74331602

I'd do $600 with bindings + ship for mags. I also have a friend selling used Dynastar Pierre Menta skis with ATKs with heel plates that would fit your BSL, I could facilitate for those if interested, $500 with bindings. Subtract $275 on either ski if you want them flat.

[Jeb McHardman]

Atomic Backland UL 65 https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/74331602

I'd do $600 with bindings + ship for mags. I also have a friend selling used Dynastar Pierre Menta skis with ATKs with heel plates that would fit your BSL, I could facilitate for those if interested, $500 with bindings. Subtract $275 on either ski if you want them flat.

Hm, I am interested, especially in the Dynastar setup. Let me get in touch with my friend who found the other deal and make sure he didn't already purchase it

[Jonathan S.]

I have two different pairs of race skis that I have mounted with three sets of heel holes.
And the holes are overlapping!
But that's with a Hagan race ski with an internal mounting plate, which has amazing retention powers.
As for structural integrity, I fill the old holes with JB Weld (i.e., not just plastic plugs).
Each successive mount though was slightly longer. I worry about plugged holes that are immediately behind the tail edge of the binding plate, as that tail edge is always acting as a fulcrum on the ski, and if the ski is weaker there b/c of a prior mount...

[Jonathan S.]

Atomic Backland UL 65 https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/74331602

I'd do $600 with bindings + ship for mags. I also have a friend selling used Dynastar Pierre Menta skis with ATKs with heel plates that would fit your BSL, I could facilitate for those if interested, $500 with bindings. Subtract $275 on either ski if you want them flat.

I hear those Dynastar Pierra Menta race skis are supposed to be especially good in firm conditions -- like a skimo race ski designed specifically for New England!

[Pins and Skins]

To the collective, I'm looking at fat skinny-ish (90ish width) skis for spring touring duties with the occasional steep/techy descents. I'm 172cm/150lbs. Will a ski that's 168cm, ~1200g and moderately rockered be the right size? I'm mainly concerned about the length, but let me know of other factors I'm not thinking of. Thanks in advance!

[Benneke10]

To the collective, I'm looking at fat skinny-ish (90ish width) skis for spring touring duties with the occasional steep/techy descents. I'm 172cm/150lbs. Will a ski that's 168cm, ~1200g and moderately rockered be the right size? I'm mainly concerned about the length, but let me know of other factors I'm not thinking of. Thanks in advance!

If your priority is nuking down big open corn runs then that would probably be a good size ski. If you will be focusing more on steep and technical skiing you might enjoy something slightly shorter.

[dub_xion]

1200g will definitely serve you better in difficult spring conditions than a 1-kg ski, IMO 1200g is where skis start calming down at that width when descending. 80-mm, 1200g skis do great, 90-mm probably 1200-1400g is optimal for that width. I'm about the same height, 170lb nekkid and 170 is my short ski for such duties. I'd say you're in the right ballpark.

[kamtron]

To the collective, I'm looking at fat skinny-ish (90ish width) skis for spring touring duties with the occasional steep/techy descents. I'm 172cm/150lbs. Will a ski that's 168cm, ~1200g and moderately rockered be the right size? I'm mainly concerned about the length, but let me know of other factors I'm not thinking of. Thanks in advance!

You are on the right track so long as it isn't actually fully-rockered.

[Pins and Skins]

Nope, not fully-rockered. Thanks mags!