Wildfire 2021

[splat]

Photo from Lytton BC. Wow. Estimated 90% of structures lost.

Story on the fire: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2021-1.6087311

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Holy shit!!

How did it not make it up the hillsides?

[splat]

^ I’m not saying fires don’t get up and go when they’re thought to be caught - happens all the time - but in your story there were people there and they got on it and shit got done. That one coulda been pretty bad if the crew had gone home.

Nice work on your part.

Does the truckee ban include the use of propane stove fires at private campgrounds? How do the public campgrounds respond? What about outdoor cooking at restaurants, such as smokers?

The fire ban in Sierra County includes propane camping stoves at private campgrounds and non-propane smokers, even in restaurants.

A similar ban may come up for Nevada County. I’m pushing my supervisor to make an exception for legal private campgrounds and the guests’ use of propane camping stoves.

Talk about get up and do shit... when a fire breaks out in Sierraville or Sierra County, it's like all hands on deck. Nobody waits on CalFire - and they have a station in town. Town and ranch folk have knocked a few before they could get out of hand or help arrived.

[Meadow Skipper]

Time for a little humor. I laughed anyway.
https://wildfiretoday.com/2021/07/06...s-fire-engine/

An inmate working on a wildfire east of Sacramento in Shingle Springs, California stole a fire engine and went on a joyride.

The 31-year old inmate did major damage to the CAL FIRE engine as he drove cross country at 12:40 a.m. Monday, did donuts, then crashed through a fence and entered the storage area for a company that manufactures truck racks.

When he got the fire engine stuck in a ditch he attempted to steal another vehicle.

Probably loses his spot on fire crews.

[TBS]

^^^Somebody has trouble making good decisions...

[muted reborn]

^^^Somebody has trouble making good decisions...

Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Most fun he's had since he was locked up, easily, and now he doesn't have to do hard labor in sweltering heat for the entire summer.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

All the inmate crews I worked with would rather be cutting line in the shittiest conditions than being in gen pop.

But some do make mistakes.

[Meadow Skipper]

Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Most fun he's had since he was locked up, easily, and now he doesn't have to do hard labor in sweltering heat for the entire summer.

Those guys don’t have to do it. They want to. At least all the ones I ever saw, which was a fairly considerable number. The conservation camps were considered a good deal.

[ill-advised strategy]

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

[Hopeless Sinner]

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

Wow. I couldn't imagine going from fire to OTR driving......I'm hoping for some joy soon. How was the next job?

[muted reborn]

Those guys don’t have to do it. They want to. At least all the ones I ever saw, which was a fairly considerable number. The conservation camps were considered a good deal.

Right, but I'm just making a joke. And there has to be one guy that has huge regrets signing up to do it and goes AWOL in a fun way.

[KQ]

There are some larger fires kicking off in the Blue Mountains.

[ntblanks]

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

seems there's a short story or a long-form essay in all of this.

[KQ]

Standing wheat fire in Milton-Freewater OR

[splat]

[KQ]

Check out the swather trying to cut a fire line to stop the advancing flames.

[east or bust]

Wonder if it worked? Would think it’d have to be at least two rows wide to stand a chance


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[splat]

Even the stubble will burn without water on it.

[LHutz Esq]

ya farmer needs to swap that out for a tiller/cultivator

[KQ]

To answer Splat, there was probably a water truck following him plus they were using helicopters to drop water.

ESQ - It was standing wheat. Easier to swath and I'm willing to bet the swather was there and ready to go. Not really tilling season right now.

[PB]

Hope that wasn't intentionally set. The stretch of time between final ripening and actual harvest for grain farmers has to be horribly stressful.

[old_newguy]

IHC Supt. is TFLD and FIRB. There are over 110 crews nationally. Given the large volume of crews compared to what it was 20+ years ago, the assumption that a Supt. has to be qualified as a DIVS and ICT3 isn't realistic.

Good point.

Maybe it’s more common that they are qualified at the lower level now. It’s been awhile since I was in, but they typically were pretty highly qualified IME and usually qualified beyond the minimums.

Still not an inconsequential amount of time to obtain those qualifications.

[Skidog]

IHC Supt. is TFLD and FIRB. There are over 110 crews nationally. Given the large volume of crews compared to what it was 20+ years ago, the assumption that a Supt. has to be qualified as a DIVS and ICT3 isn't realistic.

I love it when you talk dirty acronyms only the "elite" understand.

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[Meadow Skipper]

I love it when you talk dirty acronyms only the "elite" understand.

TFLD - task force leader, able/qual’d to lead/supervise a mixed group of resources - crews, dozers, engines, etc.
FIRB - firing boss, able/qual’d to oversee a largish backfiring or Rx (prescribed] operation.
DIVS - division supervisor, able/qual’d to oversee/supervise a section of fireline with 2 to 7 crews, engines, heavy equipment, etc,
ICT3 - incident commander type 3, able/qual’d to run a fire that isn’t a full blown organization, or handle a transition from initial attack or winding down.

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

I did this from memory, so corrections welcome. For one thing I would have thought hotshot superintendents were still ICT3/DIVS. I guess things have changed since I retired. The new(er) quals represent a lesser level of required training and experience.

[geomorph]

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

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Alternatively define your acronym before using it so that others understand you. This is common practice in all writing.

[old_newguy]

TFLD - task force leader, able/qual’d to lead/supervise a mixed group of resources - crews, dozers, engines, etc.
FIRB - firing boss, able/qual’d to oversee a largish backfiring or Rx (prescribed] operation.
DIVS - division supervisor, able/qual’d to oversee/supervise a section of fireline with 2 to 7 crews, engines, heavy equipment, etc,
ICT3 - incident commander type 3, able/qual’d to run a fire that isn’t a full blown organization, or handle a transition from initial attack or winding down.

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

I did this from memory, so corrections welcome. For one thing I would have thought hotshot superintendents were still ICT3/DIVS. I guess things have changed since I retired. The new(er) quals represent a lesser level of required training and experience.

IFPM says TFLD/FIRB for IHC superintendent. I just don’t ever recall meeting one who wasn’t DIVS quald at least. Hell, lots of times it was a superintendent running the DIV while the captains ran the crew.