Wolves are rad.

[byates1]

They say a dozen or so. Will find out more later today

[summit]

Where is the data showingthe vast majority of depredation is occurring on public land???

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Where is the data showingthe vast majority of depredation is occurring on public land???

I don’t know and I don’t think that the vast majority occurs on public lands. Some probably occurs on private land adjacent to public land. It doesn’t matter, having predators kill your stock is part of the price of doing business on range raised beef in the West. You shouldn’t be reimbursed for wolf kill and you shouldn’t be able to kill wolves.

Think of it this way, around here a lot of the orchard land has loss due to mule deer moving into orchards at night. Should the orchardists be compensated for the loss and be able to kill deer out of season?




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[liv2ski]

[Conundrum]

Real men with memes like that have wolf hybrids as pets. They are not out in the woods living with undomesticated wild animals.

[plugboots]

Really?

[Djongo Unchained]

Chino Flannel and his eunuch malusky Cody having a moment.
I envision a wolf just clamping onto his face and shaking it offa the skull.

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On a side note: the reintroduction of wolves into YNP in the 90's was not ideal. Into the Park made sense but just handicapped the wolves as soon as they recovered. Surrounded by ranches and open land. They were destined to hit a distance where they'd be unprotected. InWY, those boundaries are tight to the Park. In another state, it might've worked out differently as far as the given approach today. Reintro was a good idea, poorly implemented tho.

[Conundrum]

Really?

I don't know a lot of wolves that would let man bun man put a leash on them as pictured. But then again, I don't know a lot of wolves. Maybe I'm the idiot.

Who knows... https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comment...lfdog_cana_we/

[plugboots]

When I was in Africa a few weeks ago, I was walking up and snuggling with lions. It was fun.

[byates1]

[Conundrum]

When I was in Africa a few weeks ago, I was walking up and snuggling with lions. It was fun.

Not everyone gets to do that. Maybe we should introduce them into YNP, The Church, and Colorado.

[BCMtnHound]

I had a wolf hybrid (Siberian) from a pup. Rescue from a puppy mill in the slocan. Just over 110lbs full grown. No one, and I repeat, no one approached that animal without its permission but me. Those piercing yellow eyes along with some very subtle body language, and its intent was very clear to any sober person. Pre-teen and younger kids’ less ideal approach behaviour was tolerated though (thankfully). Amazing animal to have in the deep woods. Not so good around town. Liked to sit on the roof of my truck while I was shopping (busted my sunroof) and would start to howl if I took too long returning.

[Powder Ho]

I had a wolf hybrid (Siberian) from a pup. Rescue from a puppy mill in the slocan. Just over 110lbs full grown. No one, and I repeat, no one approached that animal without its permission but me. Those piercing yellow eyes along with some very subtle body language, and its intent was very clear to any sober person. Pre-teen and younger kids’ less ideal approach behaviour was tolerated though (thankfully). Amazing animal to have in the deep woods. Not so good around town. Liked to sit on the roof of my truck while I was shopping (busted my sunroof) and would start to howl if I took too long returning.

We had a wolf cross that we adopted from the refuge I volunteered at. Merlin topped out at 105. He was not an alpha so I never worried about him being aggressive, but he definitely didn't act like a domestic cannine. He was awesome with my wife and I and our husky.
Got really nervous we anyone came into our house. He'd go up in the loft until they left.
He was great to have on the bed at night in the winter.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

My friends neighbor had a wolf, not hybrid. That thing was scary. They had a 12’ fence around the house and yard. When you came up the shared driveway it would look away and walk away from the fence. Whenever you turned around it was right there at the fence staring at you, then it would turn when it noticed you were aware of it. No sound, even when walking.


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[Mazderati]

I'd like to think the wolf sneezed in that guys face right after the picture was taken.

[muted reborn]

I had a wolf hybrid (Siberian) from a pup. Rescue from a puppy mill in the slocan. Just over 110lbs full grown. No one, and I repeat, no one approached that animal without its permission but me. Those piercing yellow eyes along with some very subtle body language, and its intent was very clear to any sober person. Pre-teen and younger kids’ less ideal approach behaviour was tolerated though (thankfully). Amazing animal to have in the deep woods. Not so good around town. Liked to sit on the roof of my truck while I was shopping (busted my sunroof) and would start to howl if I took too long returning.

Jesus Christo! That is an intense dog.

I lived with a wolf/husky mix for a year or two. It was my roommates dog. That thing would pace and pace and pace and pace. Often it would nip you in the calf and slink away, just to fuck with you. It would escape the yard by ramming the wood fence with its head until it broke and then would squeeze through the hole it made. I don't know how to explain a wolf hybrid exactly but to me it was this intense, intimidating and intelligent kinda punk-rock dog that took a LOT of daily work to gain its respect.

[BCMtnHound]

My experience with Kane, and a couple of other hybrids and pure bloods, have been very rewarding experiences. These creatures have intelligent self interest, but are completely devoted to the pack. Your intentions must be true to your actions, or they will not trust you. You can train them in basic commands (begrudgingly), but if the intent of the direction is not in the pack’s best interest, they will lose respect for your authority. They have an amazing capacity for humour, which if not appreciated, or at least accepted, will result in resentment. They do not forget or forgive, and will never succumb to being a ‘pet’. And you better give them an opportunity to constructively run and hunt, or they will find a way to satisfy that urge on their own. Not an easy relationship to foster and I will never again seek it, but am very grateful for the opportunity to learn from it.

[garyfromterrace]

My experience with Kane, and a couple of other hybrids and pure bloods, have been very rewarding experiences. These creatures have intelligent self interest, but are completely devoted to the pack. Your intentions must be true to your actions, or they will not trust you. You can train them in basic commands (begrudgingly), but if the intent of the direction is not in the pack’s best interest, they will lose respect for your authority. They have an amazing capacity for humour, which if not appreciated, or at least accepted, will result in resentment. They do not forget or forgive, and will never succumb to being a ‘pet’. And you better give them an opportunity to constructively run and hunt, or they will find a way to satisfy that urge on their own. Not an easy relationship to foster and I will never again seek it, but am very grateful for the opportunity to learn from it.

Rad, extremely rad. You and powder ho are extremely fortunate. What amazing animals.

[summit]

I don’t know and I don’t think that the vast majority occurs on public lands. Some probably occurs on private land adjacent to public land.

Then why are you going on and on about public land ranchers as though they are relevant to the conversation if most of the depredation is not on public lands?

It doesn’t matter, having predators kill your stock is part of the price of doing business on range raised beef in the West. You shouldn’t be reimbursed for wolf kill and you shouldn’t be able to kill wolves.

Think of it this way, around here a lot of the orchard land has loss due to mule deer moving into orchards at night. Should the orchardists be compensated for the loss and be able to kill deer out of season?

If the deer were extirpated from the entire region and were reintroduced, then yes, there would need to be a compensation fun or funds for fencing with allowances for killing of nuisance deer.

Historically, deer would be harvested if eating crops.
Historically, wolves were extirpated for eating livestock.

I love wolves. I signed the Yellowstone petition as a youth. My family name comes from Wolves and my family has much wolf art and traditionally gives stuffed wolves to babes. They ranch, but private lands in the plains, and wolves historically ranged there, though before my family's time.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Then why are you going on and on about public land ranchers as though they are relevant to the conversation if most of the depredation is not on public lands?



If the deer were extirpated from the entire region and were reintroduced, then yes, there would need to be a compensation fun or funds for fencing with allowances for killing of nuisance deer.

Historically, deer would be harvested if eating crops.
Historically, wolves were extirpated for eating livestock.

I love wolves. I signed the Yellowstone petition as a youth. My family name comes from Wolves and my family has much wolf art and traditionally gives stuffed wolves to babes. They ranch, but private lands in the plains, and wolves historically ranged there, though before my family's time.

I’m sure you are aware that there is a lot of private rangeland in the inter mountain west. I don’t really see why that would make a difference for compensation. Just because we killed wolves before doesn’t really matter, times change.

Is your opinion supposed to matter more because you proclaim your love of wolves and your family ranches?




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[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Think of it this way, around here a lot of the orchard land has loss due to mule deer moving into orchards at night. Should the orchardists be compensated for the loss and be able to kill deer out of season?




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Colorado already has a program for that, although it doesn't permit land owners to shoot game out of season. But here in CO if you have over a certain amount of acreage you are guaranteed private-land tags to use or sell. Game Damage Program

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Colorado already has a program for that, although it doesn't permit land owners to shoot game out of season. But here in CO if you have over a certain amount of acreage you are guaranteed private-land tags to use or sell. Game Damage Program

We have a similar program in WA. I don’t think the orchardists should be compensated either. The only ones it really impacts are the ones trying to grow in the wild lands interface. Most of the fruit that goes to market comes out of the Columbia Basin where ungulate damage is insignificant.


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[m2711c]

I don’t know and I don’t think that the vast majority occurs on public lands. Some probably occurs on private land adjacent to public land. It doesn’t matter, having predators kill your stock is part of the price of doing business on range raised beef in the West. You shouldn’t be reimbursed for wolf kill and you shouldn’t be able to kill wolves.

Think of it this way, around here a lot of the orchard land has loss due to mule deer moving into orchards at night. Should the orchardists be compensated for the loss and be able to kill deer out of season?




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thats what happens upstate… corn farmers can get nuisance permits for deer depredatin’ their corn. shoot ‘em when ever they want.


https://dec.ny.gov/nature/animals-fi...damage-permits

[m2711c]

I don't know a lot of wolves that would let man bun man put a leash on them as pictured. But then again, I don't know a lot of wolves. Maybe I'm the idiot.

Who knows... https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comment...lfdog_cana_we/

wtf high content wolfdog?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

thats what happens upstate… corn farmers can get nuisance permits for deer depredatin’ their corn. shoot ‘em when ever they want.


https://dec.ny.gov/nature/animals-fi...damage-permits

White tail are just a little more abundant in NY than mule deer in WA.


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