New Foot Scanner App

[gregL]

Recently purchased some 27.5 Lange XT3 140 LV boots, and think they're possibly to big.

I think they're too big; get a 26.5 LV and punch for toe length if necessary on one foot.

[skibrd]

Boot question. Living out west I loved my 26.5 Head Raptor 140RS with the 92mm last Zipfits. My ankle bones got used to the Raptors but now that I’m skiing less and my ankle bones are used to being in the boots they hurt all the time. I’ve had them punched but the punches are holding cause it’s in the hinge area.

What other boots are between a 92mm plug boot and a 97mm but with some more ankle room then the RS140s?


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[herrgard]

@Bamski I measure almost the same as you and also has skinny ankles/lower legs. Went for a look at touring boots recently and atomic's hawx ultra was the only one that gave a good fit for the leg, but still pretty sure I would have to move the cuff buckles one hole tighter for when liner packs out. Instep was a bit tight but I felt it could be ok after heating liner and maybe shell. BOA version was much better, buckles version collapsed when flexed and put pressure on the instep.

Zero g fit narrower and lower over the instep, would need shell work for me. It also fit larger for the leg and would need new liner or foam on the pretty thin one it comes with.

Scarpa's quattro is also pretty low volume, but again low instep, narrow in the front and big for the leg. Would also need shell work and thicker liner.

[mr_pretzel]

Bamski, my foot measures similar to yours just with a lower instep(6.7-6.84)
I’m also enjoying the radical with a gft and have no idea how you are fitting into a 24 as everytime I’ve shell fit a 24 I am touching front and back.

If you ever need an instep spreader let me know as I have one.

[Bamski]

Bamski, my foot measures similar to yours just with a lower instep(6.7-6.84)
I’m also enjoying the radical with a gft and have no idea how you are fitting into a 24 as everytime I’ve shell fit a 24 I am touching front and back.

If you ever need an instep spreader let me know as I have one.

I could be interested - how simple is it to use?

Don’t get me wrong, the radical / GFT combo is the best thing I’ve run as a touring boot in my life - I just wish I could get a lighter boot for my skinny couloir skis. Every interesting option so far like the Skorpius is just not for me. Really interested in trying on a 25.5 ridge when skiuphill gets them in stock.

Let’s just say the promachines are punched a lot, have a lot of liner work, boot board grinds, and boot heaters - and they can still kill my feet on warmer days when my feet swell. I think I’ve built a bit of a reputation at fanatykco for the abuse we’ve put these boots through. All things considered, they ski incredibly.


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[GKWood]

Hey Greg, I wanna start with sayin thank you for everything you're doing here. Read through most of the thread and the shared knowledge and help you are providing to the community is pretty amazing to see.

I ski about 50-70 days a year but I think I've been pretty ignorant about what a good fit feels like and have gotten used to sloppy boots. For the last 6 seasons I've been primarily skiing the Salomon MTN Lab boots in 27.5 both in and out of resort (probably 70/30 ratio in/out). I heat molded the liners at home and put in SOLE active medium (the red ones) footbeds. I get a little bit of friction/pressure on the outside of the small toe (which sometimes results in a numb outer pinky toe). On big touring days I need to be careful with heel blisters, although taping up usually prevents it. I definitely notice some heel lift and after 6 years of packing out the liners I'm sure most would consider the fit very sloppy. The flip side is that they are super comfy, easy to get in/out and I don't mind wearing them all day.

Anyway, it's time for new boots and I'd like to do better in terms of fit this time, as well as have a dedicated resort boot and touring boot. For the touring boot, I'd like something that skis downhill well in the 1200-1600g range, e.g. Maestrale RS, Zero G, ...

Based on the measurements, it looks like I have a relatively high instep and narrow heels for my feet length. I also have very skinny calves and on some boots I max out the upper levers.

I found some amazing end of season deals on the 2023 Scarpa Maestrale RS (27.5) as well as the 2023 Hawx Ultra S GW 130 (27.5). Out of the box fit has been pretty good for both. Do you think I could make things work with these boots? Based on reading the discussions, the Maestrales might be a bit too roomy for my narrow heels, and maybe I could squeeze into a 26.5 Hawx? (though I'd be happy to sacrifice *some* performance for more all-day comfort and less boot fitting appointments).

Below are my measurements; I found quite a bit of variation so measured a few times. I tried to share with the QR code on p18 but it didn't work for some reason. Also sharing pics on here has become really hard as of last month.

L

• Length: 27.5 27.1 27.3 27.9
• Width: 9.8 9.8 10.1 10.0
• Heel width: 6.9 6.7 6.8 7.2
• Instep: 7.2 7.6 7.5 7.3

R

• Length: 27.2 27.0 26.8 27.4
• Width: 10.2 10.1 10.1 10.4
• Heel width: 6.9 7.1 6.7 6.8
• Instep: 7.1 7.6 7.7 7.2

[gregL]

Hey Greg, I wanna start with sayin thank you for everything you're doing here. Read through most of the thread and the shared knowledge and help you are providing to the community is pretty amazing to see.

I ski about 50-70 days a year but I think I've been pretty ignorant about what a good fit feels like and have gotten used to sloppy boots. For the last 6 seasons I've been primarily skiing the Salomon MTN Lab boots in 27.5 both in and out of resort (probably 70/30 ratio in/out). I heat molded the liners at home and put in SOLE active medium (the red ones) footbeds. I get a little bit of friction/pressure on the outside of the small toe (which sometimes results in a numb outer pinky toe). On big touring days I need to be careful with heel blisters, although taping up usually prevents it. I definitely notice some heel lift and after 6 years of packing out the liners I'm sure most would consider the fit very sloppy. The flip side is that they are super comfy, easy to get in/out and I don't mind wearing them all day.

Anyway, it's time for new boots and I'd like to do better in terms of fit this time, as well as have a dedicated resort boot and touring boot. For the touring boot, I'd like something that skis downhill well in the 1200-1600g range, e.g. Maestrale RS, Zero G, ...

Based on the measurements, it looks like I have a relatively high instep and narrow heels for my feet length. I also have very skinny calves and on some boots I max out the upper levers.

I found some amazing end of season deals on the 2023 Scarpa Maestrale RS (27.5) as well as the 2023 Hawx Ultra S GW 130 (27.5). Out of the box fit has been pretty good for both. Do you think I could make things work with these boots? Based on reading the discussions, the Maestrales might be a bit too roomy for my narrow heels, and maybe I could squeeze into a 26.5 Hawx? (though I'd be happy to sacrifice *some* performance for more all-day comfort and less boot fitting appointments).

Below are my measurements; I found quite a bit of variation so measured a few times. I tried to share with the QR code on p18 but it didn't work for some reason. Also sharing pics on here has become really hard as of last month.

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• Length: 27.5 27.1 27.3 27.9
• Width: 9.8 9.8 10.1 10.0
• Heel width: 6.9 6.7 6.8 7.2
• Instep: 7.2 7.6 7.5 7.3

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R

• Length: 27.2 27.0 26.8 27.4
• Width: 10.2 10.1 10.1 10.4
• Heel width: 6.9 7.1 6.7 6.8
• Instep: 7.1 7.6 7.7 7.2

The problem with the MTN Lab is although it has a pointy and quite narrow forefoot, it's very roomy through the ankle and the issue is tough to remedy. You won't find any touring boots with especially narrow heels, but you can improve heel retention by reducing the volume of the ankle area.

It's really tough to give you guidelines without some visuals - if you want to try to share your data with me again, PM me with your real email and I'll resend the QR code. The disparities between your numbers are quite large - my longer foot averages out to much the same as your shorter foot (26.8-27.2) and I'm comfortable in 26.5's in both the Maestrale RS and Hawx Ultra 130, but if the high numbers for your other foot at accurate (i.e. 27.9) it probably won't work. You're right to go with a 98mm last if possible, though.

Hope that helps.

[gregL]

GKWood, check your regular email for my comments on the above questions.

[Ver iz ze money LePowski?]

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?


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[bearcub69]

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?


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which app are you using? there's a few out there but I like the Fischer and find it to be damn accurate

[herrgard]

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?

I measure about the same and have been skiing 24.5 for some years due to skinny lower leg and ankle. Currently in 25.5 which works okay with fat zipfits. Had 26.5 low volume tecnicas as rentals once for a day and it worked okay with buckles cranked. So I guess it depends on how your lower leg/ankle/instep fits in 26.5, but I would recommend trying on 25.5 with a bootfitter you trust to see how it feels.

[Ver iz ze money LePowski?]

which app are you using? there's a few out there but I like the Fischer and find it to be damn accurate

I was just using the Verifyt app in the OP. I’m not seeing the Fischer app in the App Store any longer. Anybody have other recs?


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[bearcub69]

I was just using the Verifyt app in the OP. I’m not seeing the Fischer app in the App Store any longer. Anybody have other recs?


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damn I just looked and while its still on my iphone no longer in the App Store :/

curious why it left

[gregL]

damn I just looked and while its still on my iphone no longer in the App Store :/

curious why it left

I don't have any direct knowledge on the decision, but the Fischer app was very good IMO. (I only used and gave development feedback for Verifyt in my work). Both apps were underutilized by the general public, and it takes a fair bit of experience and boot knowledge to give someone valuable feedback by looking at a scan/numbers so the feedback loop wasn't that effective.

In other words, you couldn't really just scan your feet and get a good answer about what boot to buy, you still had to see a bootfitter. I was the only bootfitter at evo to really use Verifyt much, and it is a big company - evo.com no longer recommends Verifyt as a means of choosing your boots, there is just a general article in the "Size and Buying Guides" section.

[bearcub69]

I don't have any direct knowledge on the decision, but the Fischer app was very good IMO. (I only used and gave development feedback for Verifyt in my work). Both apps were underutilized by the general public, and it takes a fair bit of experience and boot knowledge to give someone valuable feedback by looking at a scan/numbers so the feedback loop wasn't that effective.

In other words, you couldn't really just scan your feet and get a good answer about what boot to buy, you still had to see a bootfitter. I was the only bootfitter at evo to really use Verifyt much, and it is a big company - evo.com no longer recommends Verifyt as a means of choosing your boots, there is just a general article in the "Size and Buying Guides" section.

im no pro bootfitter but w the help of the fischer app I was able to help some friends get into a better boot. told them ideally they should see a boot fitter, but they were reluctant to drive a few hours and spend boot fitter money.

[gregL]

im no pro bootfitter but w the help of the fischer app I was able to help some friends get into a better boot. told them ideally they should see a boot fitter, but they were reluctant to drive a few hours and spend boot fitter money.

Sure, but it depends on how bad their previous boot was. Typically my customers are pretty much in the right size and know what they like in terms of flex and features, but want to know if they can successfully drop a full mondo size or go from a 100mm last to a 98mm last, or switch from one brand/model to another, etc. That's where interpreting the scans and metrics and knowing your product gets tricky. It's also common that the best boot for a serious skier won't be usable "out of the box" but will be perfect with some bootfitter modifications that can't be performed "over the phone."

[gregL]

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?

Not sure why they don't show, but the numbers don't mean much without some context. If your right foot is the longer one, 25.5 is the biggest boot you should consider and most good skiers would probably go with a 24.5 but you should have a bootfitter who can help make that happen. A 99mm wide foot that's 25.5 cm long should be in a narrow lasted boot (i.e. 97-98mm). I have no idea where BFE is, but it can be worth it to travel to good bootfitting . . .

FWIW, heel width is pretty useless because you can't choose a narrow or wide heel in boots anyway. Instep numbers sometimes show on a second page in Verifyt, but I usually use the 3D images to predict instep issues and only use the numbers as a confirmation ("average" instep height for a 25.5 foot is 63-68mm). Again, there aren't really any "low instep" boots around anymore, and raising instep heights in a shell is usually the bootfitter's job.

It's possible your entire adult life has been spent skiing at 85% of your potential.

[GoldenBC]

While I agree there are no low instep boots really anymore, there are definitely narrow throated boots. While it’s a different dimension, it can sometimes be a suitable alternative to look at. Eg. the Atomic Hawx has an average instep now but because it has such a narrow throat it will hold your foot down and back like a low instep does.

I do find people often with a low instep have an ankle/lower leg that would work well in this.

That being said you’re still 100% right that they should go to a good bootfitter. I just wanted to reinforce that all these boots with large diameter throats give many people who don’t have super high insteps terrible heel/lower leg retention.

[gregL]

While I agree there are no low instep boots really anymore, there are definitely narrow throated boots.

Agree with this - you won't find a boot with an actual narrow heel (they couldn't sell it to average people) and even most 102mm+ lasts don't really have a wide heel, but the diameter of the cuff varies a lot, even in 97-98mm designs. Getting one of these is a great way to improve heel retention if you can make the rest of the boot fit. Narrowest are Atomic Hawx Ultra and Salomon S/Pro Alpha, Lange Shadow LV probably third best. Downside is they are harder to put on, especially for tall insteps.

[zion zig zag]

Hey Greg, wondering if you could help point me in the direction of some boots to try. My son will be a first year patroller this season and is starting the process of trying on new boots, but wondering if these numbers would help narrow down where to start. He does have a history of Mortons neuroma that he has to be sensitive to. Thanks!

Right foot:
Length: 27cm
width: 10.5 cm
heel width: 6.7 cm
instep height: 7.6cm

Left Foot:
length: 27.2 cm
width: 10.6 cm
heel width: 6.8 cm
instep height: 8 cm

[gregL]

Hey Greg, wondering if you could help point me in the direction of some boots to try. My son will be a first year patroller this season and is starting the process of trying on new boots, but wondering if these numbers would help narrow down where to start. He does have a history of Mortons neuroma that he has to be sensitive to. Thanks!

Right foot:
Length: 27cm
width: 10.5 cm
heel width: 6.7 cm
instep height: 7.6cm

Left Foot:
length: 27.2 cm
width: 10.6 cm
heel width: 6.8 cm
instep height: 8 cm

Are his feet done growing? Generally expert level skiers with a 27-ish length size down to 26.5, but there's no rule he has to - a 27.5 would definitely help with "all day comfort," and give him room to grow. He should probably stick with a medium volume last rather than narrow, but this depends on who his bootfitter will be and what sort of performance he's looking for vs. what level of comfort he needs to patrol all day.

His main issue will be instep height; he's well above average for a 27 foot (67mm - 72mm) so a heat moldable boot with a tallish instep that can be made taller with heat molding (thinking Atomic Hawx Prime) or a 3-piece shell with an open instep (think Dalbello Cabrio MV). Some bootboard grinding may also be in order. I can't really recommend a flex without his height and weight.

Morton's issues are usually addressed when building the footbed, either by depressing the area under the metatarsal ridge and/or adding a bump to widen the space between the 2nd and 3rd mets when weighted, but again it's a job for an experienced bootfitter.

Hope that helps, but there's a limit to what I can tell you without seeing his feet.

[zion zig zag]

Are his feet done growing? Generally expert level skiers with a 27-ish length size down to 26.5, but there's no rule he has to - a 27.5 would definitely help with "all day comfort," and give him room to grow. He should probably stick with a medium volume last rather than narrow, but this depends on who his bootfitter will be and what sort of performance he's looking for vs. what level of comfort he needs to patrol all day.

His main issue will be instep height; he's well above average for a 27 foot (67mm - 72mm) so a heat moldable boot with a tallish instep that can be made taller with heat molding (thinking Atomic Hawx Prime) or a 3-piece shell with an open instep (think Dalbello Cabrio MV). Some bootboard grinding may also be in order. I can't really recommend a flex without his height and weight.

Morton's issues are usually addressed when building the footbed, either by depressing the area under the metatarsal ridge and/or adding a bump to widen the space between the 2nd and 3rd mets when weighted, but again it's a job for an experienced bootfitter.

Hope that helps, but there's a limit to what I can tell you without seeing his feet.

Thank you for the advice. He’s done growing and 6’3” and 160ish. This gives him a good starting point with what to try next week.

[gregL]

Thank you for the advice. He’s done growing and 6’3” and 160ish. This gives him a good starting point with what to try next week.

Then 120-130 flex - the choice between MV 100mm shell and LV 98mm shell boils down to the choice between comfort for patroling and precision for ripping it up on lunch hour, as well as who's doing the fitting.

[::: :::]

Mrs ::: ::: has bunions. One foot is pretty wonky these days . To make matters worse she’s got pretty low volume feet & has always had fitting problems. Any general advice for finding a boot that might work for her?
If it’s of any help, i could map her foot with the app this week…

[gregL]

Mrs ::: ::: has bunions. One foot is pretty wonky these days . To make matters worse she’s got pretty low volume feet & has always had fitting problems. Any general advice for finding a boot that might work for her?
If it’s of any help, i could map her foot with the app this week…

Low volume boot and punch accurately for the bunions is generally the answer, which one depends on instep height and other factors.