New Foot Scanner App

[Schmitty BC]

I find this app really interesting, confirmed a lot of what I was already thinking about my feet. I kept scrolling through the posts trying to find someone with a similar scan, but didn't see it. So here goes, my screen shots below. I've been in Lange xt130 LV boots, intuition liner, sole footbeds for awhile now and in the market for a new boot. Should I stick with them as I don't have any real problems, or anything else you would recommend?

[salx]

So, App kept crashing with iPhone 8 but worked flawless with iPadpro.

I am in 27,5 cochises 130 18/19 and they are my best fit ever. Left liner is a bit too short, so switched liners for custom ones.
I always feel like i have too big shells and too short liners. However with the cochises its ok.






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[iriponsnow]

I *think* my talus / malleolus is just "fat" often the second buckle refuses to overlap the shell & the heel just feels as if its not sitting where it should be. Mid foot is just all jammed up. Clog/cuff tend to run into each other in 24 from Lange/Rossi, Dobie & Salomon.... Dobie in a 25 works best of the bunch, but is excessively long. Fischer, Salomon, Lange 25's feel way too long.... Cuff on the 24's also tends to feel too low, esp w/ Langes.

Re-scanned at work on a newer device & it sizes myself slightly bigger.

[Duffman]

No reason not to stay with a 27.5 Cochise (I am assuming you want a hybrid boot with touring capability), I would probably look at the new one (2022) with the lockable external walk mode, but the current model is fine. Another option might be a Hawx Prime XTD (both are relatively tall instep boots, which could be an issue for you, esp. on the left). If you're happy with whoever did the navicular and forefoot work on your old boots, take the new ones to the same fitter. Have them give you a little extra length on the right boot while you're there.

Greg, can you explain again how you figure last width based on these measurements? Based on the numbers I'm mildly shocked that I was able to get into these 99mm last boots. Also has the forefoot width changed much with the newer versions of the Cochise vs the old one?

[gregL]

I find this app really interesting, confirmed a lot of what I was already thinking about my feet. I kept scrolling through the posts trying to find someone with a similar scan, but didn't see it. So here goes, my screen shots below. I've been in Lange xt130 LV boots, intuition liner, sole footbeds for awhile now and in the market for a new boot. Should I stick with them as I don't have any real problems, or anything else you would recommend?

Hard to argue with the XT LV if you have a proven winner; no reason not to go with the current iteration (XT3 LV). Any problem with the instep?

[gregL]

So, App kept crashing with iPhone 8 but worked flawless with iPadpro.

I am in 27,5 cochises 130 18/19 and they are my best fit ever. Left liner is a bit too short, so switched liners for custom ones.
I always feel like i have too big shells and too short liners. However with the cochises its ok.




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Thanks! Could you post the numbers for the left foot, and screenshots from the left and right side?

[gregL]

Greg, can you explain again how you figure last width based on these measurements? Based on the numbers I'm mildly shocked that I was able to get into these 99mm last boots. Also has the forefoot width changed much with the newer versions of the Cochise vs the old one?

I convert the width into the width a 26.5 boot would be, as that is how manufacturers list their boots. For a 27.5 foot, you would subtract 2mm. In your case, that would be 110.7mm for the wider foot. Most experienced skiers will be able to go down another 5-6mm without difficulty (maybe with a punch at the forefoot). TGR hardcores can typically go down 8-10mm, which would be a 100mm last for you (Cochise is 99mm). With a little patience and a good bootfitter, even more is possible - my right foot measures 117mm @ 26.5 and all my boots are 97, 98 and 99mm.

Availabilty of bootfitting and overall volume of the foot are keys to whether you can pull this off.

Forefoot width has stayed remarkably the same through the generations with both the Cochise and Zero G boots.

[salx]

Thanks! Could you post the numbers for the left foot, and screenshots from the left and right side?

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[Schmitty BC]

Hard to argue with the XT LV if you have a proven winner; no reason not to go with the current iteration (XT3 LV). Any problem with the instep?

The instep hurts the first or second day of the year, but then goes away. If anything I sometimes feel like I still have too much room in the toebox, but I guess that's because of my narrow feet. Any narrow boots with a high instep you would suggest?

[gregL]

The instep hurts the first or second day of the year, but then goes away. If anything I sometimes feel like I still have too much room in the toebox, but I guess that's because of my narrow feet. Any narrow boots with a high instep you would suggest?

You want a boot with a walk mode?

You won't find anything much narrower than a 97mm Lange XT; the Hawx Ultra XTD is similar in width, taller in the instep, but has a very small cuff diameter that probably will cut into the front of your ankle. Dalbello Lupo Pro HD is also fairly narrow in the toebox, tallish instep, but the walk mode is marginal.

Are you in a 26.5 or a 25.5 Lange?

[gregL]

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Vielen Dank!

[Duffman]

I convert the width into the width a 26.5 boot would be, as that is how manufacturers list their boots. For a 27.5 foot, you would subtract 2mm. In your case, that would be 110.7mm for the wider foot. Most experienced skiers will be able to go down another 5-6mm without difficulty (maybe with a punch at the forefoot). TGR hardcores can typically go down 8-10mm, which would be a 100mm last for you (Cochise is 99mm). With a little patience and a good bootfitter, even more is possible - my right foot measures 117mm @ 26.5 and all my boots are 97, 98 and 99mm.

Availabilty of bootfitting and overall volume of the foot are keys to whether you can pull this off.

Forefoot width has stayed remarkably the same through the generations with both the Cochise and Zero G boots.

Thanks for this. Availability of good bootfitting this year is a bit problematic, my usual guys in VT I always buy boots from are great ,but with the travel restrictions there which I am trying my best to abide it's tough to get up there enough to get the work and the tweaks done. I guess the question for me is with the size of the app putting me right between the 27.5 and 28 , it probably makes sense to stay with the 27.5 and punch more for ball of foot width (which I will need either way) and some toe length on the right side , in order to get the tight fit I need in the heel and ankle areas. Sound about right or does the tighter last in the heel area make the 28.5 a feasable option?

[gregL]

Thanks for this. Availability of good bootfitting this year is a bit problematic, my usual guys in VT I always buy boots from are great ,but with the travel restrictions there which I am trying my best to abide it's tough to get up there enough to get the work and the tweaks done. I guess the question for me is with the size of the app putting me right between the 27.5 and 28 , it probably makes sense to stay with the 27.5 and punch more for ball of foot width (which I will need either way) and some toe length on the right side , in order to get the tight fit I need in the heel and ankle areas. Sound about right or does the tighter last in the heel area make the 28.5 a feasable option?

Stick with the 27.5, and get the work you need done by someone you trust. You can never really shrink the ankle and heel in a boot that's too big in a satisfying way (plus heel widths vary much less than forefoot/volume in different brands/lasts).

You may not even need to punch the right side for length.

[Relica]

Sorry just catching up on this thread:

Tell your wife gregL from TGR says "thank you!"
I
think the app wants the feet placed in a particular relation to the piece of paper, so everyone is pretty much at the same width . . .

PS What boot is your wife in? Or only snowboard boots? As for ski boots that come in 21.5, you are pretty much limited to Dalbello (3 models) and a few plug race boots.

She's stuck to snowboards since 15. Did try some kids race boots but did not enjoy them.

Makes me want to try some Lange Rx.....

Any punches?

No punches, There were a couple pads added to the front of my ankle to help with toe jam when i land backseat but other than that the boots have been perfect for me.

[f=ma]

In solidarity for me wide foot brethren, here's my fat Asian feet...

My inbounds boots are 26.5 Cochise (99mm) and I tour in a 27.5 Scott Cosmos 3 (stated 103mm last). I spent the entire season last year making the Cochise fit my wide forefoot. I, no joke, have gotten them punched 5,6 times. But it was worth it because the Cochise now fit like a dream and skis great.

Now I see that they've announced a new, improved Cochise for next year and it's piqued my interest. However, after going through the long, painful process of making them fit a EEE foot, I'll hold off for a while before upgrading....

The Scott Cosmos 3 have no modification....tbh I'm not in love with them, but there's really no other options out there.

[bennettc14]

In Lange RS120 26.5, might need some room for big toes particularly on right foot.


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[gregL]

In Lange RS120 26.5, might need some room for big toes particularly on right foot.

Thanks. Could you post screenshots of your feet from the left and right as well?

[bennettc14]

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[gregL]

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Thanks, man! A little extra length is no problem, but you could really use less volume overall - unfortunately the only thing narrower is a plug boot and it will take a lot of work to get it to flex like a RS 120 . . .

[bennettc14]

Yeah moving down from 98 last helped a bit this season. Could definitely go stiffer, shop only had 120s in my size. Worth trying a different liner to take up some volume without going plug?


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[gregL]

Yeah moving down from 98 last helped a bit this season. Could definitely go stiffer, shop only had 120s in my size. Worth trying a different liner to take up some volume without going plug?

Certainly. Any injected liner where you can add a little extra foam/cork should help take up volume.

[CaliBrit]

Posting for a friend. Trying to persuade him not to go up a size from a 27 HV Tecnica. But he is really struggling with instep height, ankles bruising and circulation to toes getting cut off. Thoughts? I’m telling him to get the boot board ground.

[gregL]

Posting for a friend. Trying to persuade him not to go up a size from a 27 HV Tecnica. But he is really struggling with instep height, ankles bruising and circulation to toes getting cut off. Thoughts? I’m telling him to get the boot board ground.

Hey Brit. I think he should be fine in the MV with, as you suggest, some bootboard grinding/footbed thinning/liner surgery. Is he locked into Tecnica for some reason? Atomic Hawx Prime might be a better call - also plenty of latitude to alter bootboard, etc. but a "heavy" heat mold (more like 10 minutes with hot oven) with foam taped over the instep could also solve it. He doesn't really need more width, he just needs to "ovalize" the instep shape.

[CaliBrit]

Hey Brit. I think he should be fine in the MV with, as you suggest, some bootboard grinding/footbed thinning/liner surgery. Is he locked into Tecnica for some reason? Atomic Hawx Prime might be a better call - also plenty of latitude to alter bootboard, etc. but a "heavy" heat mold (more like 10 minutes with hot oven) with foam taped over the instep could also solve it. He doesn't really need more width, he just needs to "ovalize" the instep shape.

Awesome Greg I’ll pass that on thanks! He’s an Evo customer.

[gregL]

Awesome Greg I’ll pass that on thanks! He’s an Evo customer.

Have been having an ongoing conversation with your friend via email and we've picked some boots to work with when he is next in Seattle, thanks for being the go-between!