L'Equipe: Armstrong Doped in 1999

[Cornholio]

*yawn*

I hope this blows over fast.

Favorite comment so far? Laurent Fignon:

"I don't give a shit. 1999? This is ancient history. What does this prove and what does this solve? What interests me now is keeping the next generation of cyclists clean and drug-free."

[Artie Fufkin]

*yawn*

I hope this blows over fast.

Favorite comment so far? Laurent Fignon:

"I don't give a shit. 1999? This is ancient history. What does this prove and what does this solve? What interests me now is keeping the next generation of cyclists clean and drug-free."

I belive this allegation is an old one, but it is news today because they have recently run tests on frozen urine samples from that tour and they detected EPO. If that the test is correct, it does not matter, the UCI will not do anything.

I would not be surprised if Lance doped at some point, there were alot of dopers in the late 90s. But he has been tested many times over the years, and has not failed a test. Fignon is right, who gives a shit. The French media has been at this awhile. They are just using some science now to get at Lance.


Speaking of dopers, did anyone see that Tyler won the Mt Washington hill climb over the weekend. Actually the better story in that race is that Ned Overend was 4th, and he turned 50 this month, freak.

Other news helping Tyler's cause, a fourth Phonak rider recently tested positive for doping.

[Plakespear]

Just wondering- does anyone know how long EPO stays in your system? I believe Lance was given EPO during his chemo- could this test be detecting residuals from that?

[Artie Fufkin]

Here is a brief story from Cyclingnews.com

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...g05/aug23news2

[ulty_guy]

who didn't dope in '99?

[PNWbrit]

who didn't dope in '99?

If you're inclined to believe Armstrong he hasn't doped ever.

Always thought he protested his innocence too much.

[greg]

who didn't dope in '99?

who didn't dope '05?

[Darkside]

who didn't dope '05?

I don't know, who finished last?

[ulty_guy]

a bit cynical there out of me...but protesting of innocence doesn't mean much in my book. what about tyler hamilton, etc. etc. etc.

p.s. i'd love to believe that armstrong has never doped, but i'm just not very sure of that.

[L7]

In his interviews I always hear him refer to never testing positive. He also repeatedly states that he does not take any banned substance (never heard him say has never either). I've never heard him say that he never or does not take ANY performance enhancing drugs. What was the status of EPO in '99. For sure there was no test for it. I don't believe it was actually illegal through much of Indurain's era.

Fignon's statement comes out of self interest I'm sure (he is French). If they go back to '99 to get Lance why shouldn't they go back to '90 or whatever to nail Fignon for all the stuff coursing through his veins.

[phUnk]

who didn't dope in '99?

I didn't. [/late-bloomer]

[bagtagley]

I didn't. [/late-bloomer]

Liar. "Smoke-Dog, been smokin' since I was 2."

[m1e448]

At least Kabush doesn't do it...

[Cornholio]

I've never heard him say that he never or does not take ANY performance enhancing drugs.

Actually, this is his big refrain, in those exact words. In his recent press statement, he said it again:

"I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance enhancing drugs."

[Cornholio]

Man, my eurosport, velonews, and BBC Cycling RSS feeds are going crazy today! The story appeared and already there's press statements from everyone and their mom about who is on whose side.

My mom, for the record, strongly supports Lance Armstrong and doesn't buy any of the BS. She's especially convinced that the conspiracy theory-- that Lance was buying UCI officials with his "contributions" for the last three years (since the EPO test which caught him has been available) and now that he's retired they leaked the results-- is bunk. And gat.

[Artie Fufkin]

This is getting ugly, Jean-Marie Leblance has stated the L Equipe article proves that Lance is a doper. Article from AP:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050824/D8C67VL80.html

Even Big Mig has Lance's back. The only rider that seems not to so far is Fillipo Simeoni who Lance has had ongoing litigation with.

Apparently the samples they tested from 99 show that other riders used EPO as well, why not name their names. Regardless of whether the sample that allegedly is Lance's tested positive for EPO, these allegations are not about doping in cycling but about the French bringing Lance down.

Again I would not be suprised if in the end Lance at some point did dope, as mentioned in this thread alot of riders doped in the late 90s and in the decades before. There probably are still alot of riders that do, but they stay one step ahead of the system. Lance obviously has had the financial resources in the past to stay ahead of the system. But in the end he is a former world champion and a 7 time tour de france winner that never tested positive for doping in competition.

[skifishbum]

Fuckin Euro's (French) Seem to still be having a hard time dealing with the fact that an American came over and kicked their ass 7 years in a row in their race on their turf. So continue to mudsling, dig for dirt, hell put an astrick next to his titles. Just deal w/ it you pansy ass whining french snobs.
It was pretty much about an incredible athelete and a kick ass supporting team and seven years of a dominant ass wuppin. Rejoice he's done get over it

[mrryde]

Fuckin Euro's (French) Seem to still be having a hard time dealing with the fact that an American came over and kicked their ass 7 years in a row in their race on their turf. So continue to mudsling, dig for dirt, hell put an astrick next to his titles. Just deal w/ it you pansy ass whining french snobs.
It was pretty much about an incredible athelete and a kick ass supporting team and seven years of a dominant ass wuppin. Rejoice he's done get over it

FKNA Exactly!

[greg]

Fuckin' amis (texans). Lance s a doper. Ulrich won the tour 8 times in a row. Get over it, damnit.

[bagtagley]

Fuckin' amis (texans). Lance s a doper. Ulrich won the tour 8 times in a row. Get over it, damnit.

How's that possible? He didn't place second 8 tours in a row.

Shouldn't amis be capitalized? --> Amis. Do people really call us Amis over there? I always imagined our nicknames to be much more harsh.

[L7]

Actually, this is his big refrain, in those exact words. In his recent press statement, he said it again:

That's an update to anything I've seen/heard. I that point I admit to tuning most of it out though. The big refrain in earlier days focused on not testing positive and sometimes are not doing enhancing drugs.

I'd like to think he doesn't/ hasn't I just won't be surprised if it comes out that he has. I don't agree with the witch hunt either.

Not surprised Big Mig has his back. I'm pretty sure Indurain pioneered the use of EPO before they even knew they should look for it. I've long thought they suggested Mig retire or made him go clean so they wouldn't have to blow the whistle on him and sully their sport and it's champion. Of course he's a Euro so the different treatment isn't a surprise.

[ulty_guy]

whether mig was doped or not, from the beginning, he was always a physical specimen much like armstrong.

http://outside.away.com/outside/maga.../7f_migel.html

[greg]

Do people really call us Amis over there? I always imagined our nicknames to be much more harsh.

Well it depends a little on the language you are speaking. In German - yes! To be rude, we often put a "fuck" in front of it. It's a little schizophrenic - but I guess that's the way we are..

In French amis would mean friends. That's typically French, they are always a little more troubled than the rest of us. But at least they are not schizophrenic, so they stay with their language and say: ces merdiques américaines.

Shouldn't amis be capitalized? --> Amis

Yes of course, capitalists should be CAPITALIZED, mes amis...

As far as Ullrich is concerned - I didn't mean to make sense, I just meant to be a Euro.

[irul&ublo]

Le Français peut embrasser mon âne.

[Woodsy]

W
As far as Ullrich is concerned - I didn't mean to make sense, I just meant to be a Euro.

so whats his excuse for getting beat by an American on his home turf?
oh yeah his "illness"

I think Ullrich is deutch for Best loser