21/22 Bikes That Make Your Shorts Tighter.

[rideit]

Jamal, I have the lightest full travel (175mm) travel post for sale right now. Carbon KS Lev Ci, 323 grams. Almost a 1/2 pound lighter than a transfer. Maybe 20 rides on it, comes with the superlight copper cable and housing and lever. (Those are brand new). The post originally retailed for around $500, im asking $199. 30.9, but works no problem on other sizes with a shim.

SOLD

[Laps]

Jamal, I have the lightest full travel (175mm) travel post for sale right now. Carbon KS Lev Ci, 323 grams. Almost a 1/2 pound lighter than a transfer. Maybe 20 rides on it, comes with the superlight copper cable and housing and lever. They retailed for around $500, im asking $199. 30.9, but works no problem on other sizes with a shim.

I would buy that in a second if Jamal passes.


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[gramboh]

If anyone else is eyeing the new Patrol, out of curiosity I sent them an email asking about silver frame availability. They replied saying they're expecting a batch in August, and can reserve them now. Even though they're stunning, I know that since I already gripe about my 34 lb Megatrail, I should really hold out for the inevitable carbon version of the Patrol.

I have a Patrol XT on preorder, also raw. The weight is a bit concerning to me, my current bike (YT Jeffsy Pro Race 27.5 carbon with carbon wheels, cranks and bars) is about 31.5lbs before pedals with DoubleDown tires, DHX2 coil and XT 4 piston brakes. I expect the large Patrol to be 35ish with DD tires, so a decent jump in weight and I am a slow fat climber… but the Patrol should be amazing on the descents, and most of my rides are 1-2 long climbs with a descent at the end and if I’m 10% slower it doesn’t really matter. Going to 165mm cranks will be interesting, my current mtb is 175mm which has never felt great on my stubby legs, while the 170mm on my road bike feels great. Have only ridden 165mm for DH before.

[jamal]

Yeah i dont actually need one right this second but thanks.

[XtrPickels]

It doesn't have a remote (there is routing for one) but I can and do close the fork and shock. There's still a bit of give in the shock, and it doesn't have that snappyness and efficient power transfer feeling I get with the hardtail. I feel like I'm always in an easier gear, but working harder and going slower. I assume part of it is the extra weight, part is the bit of squish with the shock closed, and part is maybe all the rear end parts moving and flexing. I even have the same tires on both bikes.

I do wonder if different shocks would change things, like the sid/sidluxe combo on the DL. Shop owner had the same bike I do and then went to a 2021 DL and says it seems to pedal better but I haven't hopped on it to see. I am thinking about going to the fit damper in the fork because in trail it's a bit harsh but open seems too soft and like there's no low speed, so that dial would be nice and it's not that pricey.

Or maybe my new carbon wheels will make all the difference?

Overall I do like it a lot more than I did originally, now that the brakes don't suck, the suspension is set up better, it doesn't click and creak (I had to stick some little shims between the bearings and suspension rocker), and it's lighter, and has better tires.

On my Epic Evo, I had good success increasing pedal-ability by running a higher pressure, opening the compression, running smaller volume spacers. I did this after talking to the guys at DSD whom recommended revalving to lighter compression damping. Unfortunately they shut down their mail in soon after so I haven't been able to to.

I've also been liking the DSD runt that I put in the my FIT4 fork. I can run pressure that keeps it active on small stuff, but still supportive from mid-stroke on without being harsh at full travel.

[huckbucket]

I wonder why this bike hasn't been ridden in the past two years.

[J. Barron DeJong]

I wonder why this bike hasn't been ridden in the past two years.

It’s one thing to see that on a Huffy, but a fucking S-Works!!!

[grinch]

Haaaa holy shit. I hope it wasnt a mechanic that built that. She be quick in the corners!

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[huckbucket]

"No matter what I do, the front wheel keeps rubbing on the downtube. I'm giving up this stupid sport."

[Sandbox]

I really want to ask that guy a bunch of silly questions…. Haha


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[Tailwind]

“Hi I’m interested in your Rubaix. I love road biking but I think I need to upgrade. My current bike consistently and violently throws me over the handlebars. This happens when I get going quickly. My riding buddy said it’s because it’s an aluminum frame. Does your carbon frame ever have that problem?”

I really want to ask that guy a bunch of silly questions…. Haha


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[homemadesalsa]

You folks have any opinions or experiences with the Orbea Occam? I found a 2020medium for $3100, think it's my next bike. Coming off 2 Ibis HD3s, so 6" of squish on 27.5 wheels. Wanting something a little quicker on the climb but still proficient in the chunk.

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[SchralphMacchio]

I wonder why this bike hasn't been ridden in the past two years.

I love it.
Someone ask him why the saddle is mounted backwards.

[Boissal]

You folks have any opinions or experiences with the Orbea Occam? I found a 2020medium for $3100, think it's my next bike. Coming off 2 Ibis HD3s, so 6" of squish on 27.5 wheels. Wanting something a little quicker on the climb but still proficient in the chunk.

Do It. That's what I ride and I LOVE it, it's the perfect do-it-all bike. I pedal the shit out of mine on long days with big vert and the weight is completely acceptable (just over 30 lbs). On the down it's very capable, especially if you score the model with a 36 or equivalent in the front. I can almost keep up with my buddies who ride full enduro pigs.
Feel free to PM me if you want specifics.

[SchralphMacchio]

Going to 165mm cranks will be interesting, my current mtb is 175mm which has never felt great on my stubby legs, while the 170mm on my road bike feels great. Have only ridden 165mm for DH before.

You should be fine if you have 170mm road.

I had 172.5 on my road bike and 170 on my MTB, works great. And I really hated 175mm on both.

I also have 165 on my hardtail (which has a really low BB). 165 is noticeable to me in terms of wanting slightly a larger gear cluster / smaller chainring … right now I’ve got it with 29” wheel 28t ring and 42t cog, and it’s some work on the climbs. Will eventually replace that with a 10-46 cassette.

But otherwise yeah I’ve got no problem riding the 165 on a trail bike.

[gramboh]

You should be fine if you have 170mm road.

I had 172.5 on my road bike and 170 on my MTB, works great. And I really hated 175mm on both.

I also have 165 on my hardtail (which has a really low BB). 165 is noticeable to me in terms of wanting slightly a larger gear cluster / smaller chainring … right now I’ve got it with 29” wheel 28t ring and 42t cog, and it’s some work on the climbs. Will eventually replace that with a 10-46 cassette.

But otherwise yeah I’ve got no problem riding the 165 on a trail bike.

Cool to hear. I run 30/10-51 on my current bike and the Patrol comes with 32/10-51 so I am swapping down to a 30t ring to maintain my granny gear. I only use 30/51 when it's crazy steep or I use it to recover from brutal sections and to avoid getting off the bike. Small ring up front also lets me use the 33/39/45 cogs more often. Figure I'll adjust to the extra few lbs and shorter crank arms impact on climbing pretty quickly.

[SchralphMacchio]

But even going down to 30 you’ll still be losing a gear from what you are used to due to the shorter crank radius.

2/30 (the difference of going from 32 to 30 or 30 to 28 is gaining about 6.7%.

Going from 175 to 165 is losing 5.7%.

Of course your cadence turnover will be faster so on mild graded gravel climbs you’d probably feel much faster.

[jacob_dbu]

But even going down to 30 you’ll still be losing a gear from what you are used to due to the shorter crank radius.

2/30 (the difference of going from 32 to 30 or 30 to 28 is gaining about 6.7%.

Going from 175 to 165 is losing 5.7%.

Of course your cadence turnover will be faster so on mild graded gravel climbs you’d probably feel much faster.

The crank length has nothing to do with gear-inches. One revolution of the crank goes the same distance. I guess you’re saying the torque you can provide decreases but the net effect on your legs is somewhat subjective since your position changes right?

[GBB]

You folks have any opinions or experiences with the Orbea Occam? I found a 2020medium for $3100, think it's my next bike. Coming off 2 Ibis HD3s, so 6" of squish on 27.5 wheels. Wanting something a little quicker on the climb but still proficient in the chunk.

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Boissal speaks the truth. He was very helpful answering all my jong questions when I was on the hunt.

I’ve been on one since May. It pedals well, descends well, and makes me feel like a much better rider than i actually am even with only a Fox 34 up front.

[homemadesalsa]

Well after all that, the Orbea got sold to someone else. Ping me if any of you run across a carbon medium please.

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[SchralphMacchio]

The crank length has nothing to do with gear-inches. One revolution of the crank goes the same distance. I guess you’re saying the torque you can provide decreases but the net effect on your legs is somewhat subjective since your position changes right?

Torque at the wheels is what I’m talking about. More counter leverage back up against you when slow climbing up a hill. It all adds up for us non-studs.

[NW_SKIER]

It all adds up for us non-studs.

Wrong forum. There's none of those here. We're all pros.

[gramboh]

Torque at the wheels is what I’m talking about. More counter leverage back up against you when slow climbing up a hill. It all adds up for us non-studs.

Yep it's a fair point, will definitely be losing power to the wheel, however you want to express it, with the shorter cranks (and heavier bike). Would imagine there is marginally more power required to get the 29er up front moving as well from current 650b bike. DD MaxxGrip Assegai as well . Ah well, I am a high cadence wincher and prefer FSRs or mellow climb trails.

[funkendrenchman]

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Caught myself thinking “I’d better slow down” quite a few times.



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Stepcast? How do you like it?

[Dee Hubbs]

My Rocky Mountain Instinct C90 that I ordered last fall finally showed up…. 1 day before I left for a 7 week work trip.
FAWK!
It’s still sitting in the box with a pile of new parts sitting beside it.
I can’t wait for fall riding!
Photos to come!