Official ATK Binding Thread

[Pins and Skins]

1/ Yes, get the toe shim. I haven't seen any new Evo-specific shims for sale so I'd assume the current toe shim will work for the Evo toes. ATK's own website also only shows one type of toe shim.
2/ Yes, only the Evo 15 comes with the freeride spacer. However, there are Evo-specific freeride spacers you can buy for the Evo 13 (AL13). The old freeride spacers made for the Raiders (AL09) will not work on the Evos.
3/ I actually tried 120mm brakes around the Machines I had (which I have since sold). They fit, but just about. To be honest, the brakes are pretty flimsy, and I highly doubt they'll stop a 126mm ski on a slope. They might be good for having the skis be stable while you click in.

If you decide to go with the original Raider, I may look to sell some brand new black Raider 12s with 120 brakes and can include toe shim/freeride spacer. PM me if interested. Thanks.

ATK binding JONG here. I'm sure I could go deep in the thread to figure this out, but, you know, I'm lazy....

Setup I'm putting together:
-Faction La Machine (126mm waist)
-Shift Pro 130 boot
-ATK binding?

1. Seems like the 4mm toe spacer is a no-brainer here? Does the AL12 toe shim work on the new Evo bindings? Or only the Raider/Freeraider bindings? Is there an Evo specific toe shim if I happen to get some Evo 13/15 bindings?
2. Only the Evo 15 comes with the Freeride Spacer, not the Evo 13. Correct?
3. Will ATKs 120mm brake go around a 126mm waist? Seems like there's a good chance it will...

Many thanks and taking suggestions on where to procure what I need here.

[dcpnz]

The mounting pattern is as the regular Raider and Freeraider 16/14 models (but not the C-Raider), ie using the ATK jig is P3-P3-H1-H1 for the toes and for the heels it's H-H-H-H.

Oh crap - didn’t realize raider and c-raider used different patterns - if so is C-raider not compatible with AL12 toe shims then??

[tomh79]

Thinking about mounting a Crest 10 on a Black Diamond Helio 104 or Armada Locator 104. Would you mount this binding on a wide ski like that or use something with a wider pattern (R12?). If it matters: Not an aggressive skier, DIN 7, I ski with a Scarpa F1 / Maestrale RS...

[cat in january]

No worries

[Spyderjon]

Oh crap - didn’t realize raider and c-raider used different patterns - if so is C-raider not compatible with AL12 toe shims then??

The original C-Raider had the same pattern as the Raider but a patent issue with Dynafit caused ATK to have to change the C-Raider pattern. The patent issue was subsequently resolved but the carbon reinforced plastic base of the C-Raider toe is one of the very few of ATK's outsourced components and the parts had already been ordered and it was to late to change it. And the C-Raider toe has stayed like that since. The rear toe holes of the C-Raider match of the Raider but the front holes are on narrower pattern and match the front toe holes of the Crest.

[jacob_dbu]

The original C-Raider had the same pattern as the Raider but a patent issue with Dynafit caused ATK to have to change the C-Raider pattern. The patent issue was subsequently resolved but the carbon reinforced plastic base of the C-Raider toe is one of the very few of ATK's outsourced components and the parts had already been ordered and it was to late to change it. And the C-Raider toe has stayed like that since. The rear toe holes of the C-Raider match of the Raider but the front holes are on narrower pattern and match the front toe holes of the Crest.

Kinda cool with ATK that we could do inserts with no overlap and fit all their different offerings...not quite sure if the spacing is far enough but at the very least they don't overlap.

[Westcoaster]

Kinda cool with ATK that we could do inserts with no overlap and fit all their different offerings...not quite sure if the spacing is far enough but at the very least they don't overlap.

That would be a lot of holes close together in a ski.

[CaliBrit]

Super tempted by those evo helio 200’s. Wish they had a double flipper.

[marcomarinescu]

Hey guys, I just purchased the FR16 to pair it with a pair of 4FRNT Hoji skis, for touring/freeride duties.
I know that the release values of AT bindings don't correspond to alpine certified DIN settings, hence I am looking for some help with what value should I set it at. I previously used the Marker Tour F12 with the din set at 8.5, but it's my first experience with pin bindings and I am a bit worried regarding the high minimum "din value" of 9 (9-16 full range).
I am 177cm / 70 kg (with the gear on) / BSL of the boot 275 mm / and an expert freeride aggressive skier, sending big drops and generally charging quite hard.
I used some din calculators on the web and they suggested between 9 and 10.
Any advice on what value should I set for my ATK FR 16?

Someone told me I should have gone for the FR14, but one the one of the main reasons is that I got an extremely good price deal on the FR16 (200 Euros off) and also since the FR14 has the minimum value of 8 and FR16 has 9, I figured it won't make to much sense/difference.
What do you guys think/say?

[Benneke10]

Hey guys


I just purchased the FR16 to pair it with a pair of 4FRNT Hoji skis, for touring/freeride duties.
I know that the release values of AT bindings don't correspond to alpine certified DIN settings, hence I am looking for some help with what value should I set it at. I previously used the Marker Tour F12 with the din set at 8.5, but it's my first experience with pin bindings and I am a bit worried regarding the high minimum "din value" of 9 (9-16 full range).
I am 177cm / 70 kg (with the gear on) / BSL of the boot 275 mm / and an expert freeride aggressive skier, sending big drops and generally charging quite hard.
I used some din calculators on the web and they suggested between 9 and 10.
Any advice on what value should I set for my ATK FR 16?

Someone told me I should have gone for the FR14, but one the one of the main reasons is that I got an extremely good price deal on the FR16 (200 Euros off) and also since the FR14 has the minimum value of 8 and FR16 has 9, I figured it won't make to much sense/difference.
What do you guys think, say?

I wouldn't worry about it too much, I ski an 8 on resort gear and 9 on ATK bindings and that has worked fine for me.

[singlecross]

I just got some Kuluar 12’s with 97mm brakes from Oliunid in Italy. Good price and fast shipping to US. Pretty sexy…



Although the spring loaded, push button brake retainer that grabs one side of the metal under the heel plate looks like it could be a pain in the ass…




Anybody use these yet and how fiddly are they in the real world?

[jacob_dbu]

The brakes are not fiddly at all in the real world IMO. I have no issues with them at all.

[HAB]

The brakes are not fiddly at all in the real world IMO. I have no issues with them at all.

Do you rip your skins with your skis still on? Because I found reaching under my boot to deploy the brake while perched somewhere precarious to suck pretty bad. The mechanism works fine but it's not very accessible when you're in the binding.

[clue]

Does anybody know how to remove the heel riser pin? It's an ATK Raider 12 and also found on Haute Route 10. There's no tool marking and I've tried a strong magnet as well. I'm looking to change the heel riser.

[CaliBrit]

Do you rip your skins with your skis still on? Because I found reaching under my boot to deploy the brake while perched somewhere precarious to suck pretty bad. The mechanism works fine but it's not very accessible when you're in the binding.

Brakes off leashes on.

[HAB]

Brakes off leashes on.

Long since done.

[jacob_dbu]

Do you rip your skins with your skis still on? Because I found reaching under my boot to deploy the brake while perched somewhere precarious to suck pretty bad. The mechanism works fine but it's not very accessible when you're in the binding.

That's fair, I don't do that, but I imagine (and I think it was discussed upward in the thread) that if the brake deploy was on the outside for both bindings would be easier. But the brakes themselves have no fundamental issue like icing or failures that I've ever experienced.

[jacob_dbu]

Hey, what should I use to grease the heel track and the freeride spacer sliders? I'm guessing KY fire & ice is not the right tool for the job

[gman321]

Mounted my new Wayback 88s with Trofeo+ 10s. Absolutely love the binding. Now that I'm in 2-buckle boots, I vastly prefer the race-style heel for simplicity. Also 100% onboard the leash train now.

Honestly, kind of regretting the Freeraiders on my other skis now. I'll probably just start using cheap Trofeo+s for everything going forward. Maybe check out the Ski Trab Vario down the line.

[stuntmanbo]

R/FR are great for bigger guys, skiing the resort (touring from the lifts), and mounting on « real » skis > 2100g though

[CaliBrit]

Anyone know if the al09 freeride spacer goes on the Kuluar? Sort of looks like it might.

[miketheskier]

Could use some help with people who actually know what they're talking about. I'm planning on getting some ATK bindings but seems like there is a lot of choice. The bindings would be for Armada Whitewalker 121s, my usual DIN is 8-10. Someone suggested the freeraider 14 for that but then I saw the raider 11 evo has a new toe release system that I think my knees could potentially appreciate. Skis would be used mostly for big powder skiing.

[CaliBrit]

Could use some help with people who actually know what they're talking about. I'm planning on getting some ATK bindings but seems like there is a lot of choice. The bindings would be for Armada Whitewalker 121s, my usual DIN is 8-10. Someone suggested the freeraider 14 for that but then I saw the raider 11 evo has a new toe release system that I think my knees could potentially appreciate. Skis would be used mostly for big powder skiing.

Toe release is not different. Just has some adjustment to the force as I believe.

[Benneke10]

Anyone know if the al09 freeride spacer goes on the Kuluar? Sort of looks like it might.

It doesn't. It only works on the Raider family.

[kid-kapow]

I listened to the Blister's ATK / Davide interview podcast a few weeks back, and man - Davide just brings so much knowledge and humbleness to the table imho. He is a real boon to the sport.

I especially enjoyed his take on alpine binding philosophies across brands - aka Marker=precision, Look=elasticity/suspension - it makes a ton of sense.

And man, the new Evo's are just something else. Expensive as all hell, but why people would ever consider getting Dynafit Rotations when you can get R Evos is simply beyond me (but then again I hate Dynafit, so...). The level of engineering and performance that ATK packs into such a light package is simply incredible imho.