Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[oftpiste]

Vibes TBS. Sending love and warm fuzzies to you and yours.

Thank you everyone for all your good wishes. Here's the situation as I get it 4th hand (Dr--> Parent--> Ms TBS--> me)

Granddaughter and her mother had contact with someone who got the Covid. GD started hacking and wheezing last weekend. Mom took her to ER. Her temp was only ~99 so they sent her home. They tested her at the time and test came back Wednesday as negative.

Her cough got a lot worse and temp spiked Wednesday night so back to ER. Docs decided to hospitalize and tested her again. This time it came back positive.

As of noon today her temp is now down to ~100 and they have the coughing fairly well controlled.

Kid is not happy at the hospital. No one can be with her except mom.

Mom was tested as well - came back negative - and remains asymptomatic. Go figure.

The circumstances make us hopeful. However, we had a kid die of cancer, so we are also having irrational anxiety attacks in between the logical hopeful thinking. I still plan on getting her on the Magic Carpet this winter.

At least we shouldn't have to worry about her bringing the Covid to our house...unless the positive test was a false reading...

We haven't seen her for five months now. Ms TBS has been collecting toys during this time - spare bedroom is chock full. Were planning on her visiting this weekend, but that's not gonna happen for a while.

Thanks again

[DJSapp]

In other exciting fact based news, my county currently does not have any available space in the ICU.

So calm down because if you have a heart attack around here, you're screwed. Hope you survive the 30 minute drive to the next closest hospital.

This is the real problem.

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[old goat]

We'll maybe you didn't know this but:
https://theconversation.com/breast-m...nfection-15025
So yes. It would be significant if the babies had it, were mostly trouble free, and helped mother develop some level of helpful immune response.
Betcha didn't think of THAT before talking shit, now did ya?

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There is nothing in that article that says that mothers can't get Covid 19 from a baby or visa versa.
Immune cells in the breast milk help protect the mother from infections of the breast, which are bacterial
Antibodies in the breast milk can be absorbed by the baby and protect the baby from infection. If the mother has antibodies to coronavirus it would be theoretically possible for those antibodies to be passed to the child and protect them from the virus. I cannot think of a mechanism whereby nursing would protect the mother from Covid 19.

As far as the rest of your drivel--not worth commenting on. I do find it interesting that you express your ideas with great certainty, something that people who actually know something about a subject don't do.

[huckbucket]

Love the self-assured, professional opinion style posting by Montucky. Tell us more. Slap them wiki links up there. You're building a STRONG case. While you're at it, please adopt the denialist platform and get us some talking points. Covid is absolutely BEGGING for its own Peter Duesberg and I think you've got the chops.


In other news, Birx is throwing her career away.
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/s...75182318288898

[Name Redacted]

Not sure if this is really a direct quote and I'd usually avoid posting if I didn't know that it was, but it seems to have a pretty good point so fuck it.

From Dr. Fauci:
“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)
People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?
How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”

[goldenboy]

^^ That's a great quote. It's one of the many things I wish people who aren't taking this seriously would think about. They just don't know much about this disease or any long term effects it might have. Are these college aged kids who get it now and don't fare too badly going to have problems when they're 40? They just don't know.

I've been hearing some people locally who had it back in March are now getting a relapse version. Not as bad as the first, but still no fun.

[huckbucket]

Oh hell yes. Vegetable power!

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...846v1.full.pdf

[plugboots]

Love the self-assured, professional opinion style posting by Montucky. Tell us more. Slap them wiki links up there. You're building a STRONG case. While you're at it, please adopt the denialist platform and get us some talking points. Covid is absolutely BEGGING for its own Peter Duesberg and I think you've got the chops.


In other news, Birx is throwing her career away.
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/s...75182318288898

When she was appointed, I thought it’d be a good 1-2 punch with Fauci. She is a huge disappointment.

[SkiBall]

^^ That's a great quote. It's one of the many things I wish people who aren't taking this seriously would think about. They just don't know much about this disease or any long term effects it might have. Are these college aged kids who get it now and don't fare too badly going to have problems when they're 40? They just don't know.

I've been hearing some people locally who had it back in March are now getting a relapse version. Not as bad as the first, but still no fun.

Funny you say that, but this past week certain things were having me wondering if I got it again. Not as bad as March, but something. Some elevated chest pressure, a little more fatigue, not very hungry.
Could just be the state of the world weighing on me though.

[Benny Profane]

Bad news on immunity.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...overing-635550

[Danno]

That quote is good but it isn't from Fauci. The tone is wrong, but I also saw it on FB attributed to someone else.

Still good, though.

[wooley12]

[smmokan]

Bad news on immunity.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...overing-635550

Based on legitimate (ie., scientific) articles around immunity due to antibodies, it's not all that surprising. In all reality, the only way we're going to be totally safe and return to normal is a vaccine. Until then, the US is pretty fucked if we keep going this way.

[KQ]

That quote is good but it isn't from Fauci. The tone is wrong, but I also saw it on FB attributed to someone else.

Still good, though.

have to agree - can't imagine he would say "how dare you" based on all the interviews I've seen him give esp. the one on PBS last Friday. The man is not confrontational in any way shape or form.

Only "news" source I could find online that had it was the Wisconsin Gazette

[old goat]

have to agree - can't imagine he would say "how dare you" based on all the interviews I've seen him give esp. the one on PBS last Friday. The man is not confrontational in any way shape or form.

Only "news" source I could find online that had it was the Wisconsin Gazette

It's clearly Greta Thunberg.

[muted]

Oh hell yes. Vegetable power!

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...846v1.full.pdf

But lettuce kills!!!

[KQ]

and yet again... a mask/underwear comparison. WTF?

[TBS]

So KQ, following on your friend in Sisters reporting on mask compliance here, I came across this guy in Rays Market this AM.
Mask hanging from his ear. Tshirt has logo on back saying "Only You can prevent Socialism".



His wife/girlfriend wasn't wearing any face covering.

He saw me taking the photo and glared. So I said "Shit oh dear, put on your fucking mask".
She sez "Mind yer own business"
I said "It is my business when you douchebags are spewing your Pendejo Particles all over the store."

A couple of Fuck Yous were exchanged before a store clerk came over to me, winked and said "it's OK I'll handle this".

Saw them a few minutes later. She had a mask on, his was over his chin. I said to him, Y'know, your dick won't shrivel if you put your mask over your nose and mouth."
I got another fuck you.

This was the first incident of maskless asshattery I've seen in weeks. The occasional mouthbreather (mask not over nose), but no real in-your-face defiance.

I'm done putting up with these fuckheads.

[XXX-er]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...MGQ7ZpoZBy3_UM

Canada has had about half as many coronavirus deaths per capita as the United States. The number of cases in Canada has been steadily declining since April, while cases in some states are surging.

“I’m not very optimistic at all,” Steve Seymour said during a recent interview at the family business, Drayton Harbor Oysters. “Why would they let us in?”

[KQ]

So KQ, following on your friend in Sisters reporting on mask compliance here, I came across this guy in Rays Market this AM.
Mask hanging from his ear. Tshirt has logo on back saying "Only You can prevent Socialism".



His wife/girlfriend wasn't wearing any face covering.

He saw me taking the photo and glared. So I said "Shit oh dear, put on your fucking mask".
She sez "Mind yer own business"
I said "It is my business when you douchebags are spewing your Pendejo Particles all over the store."

A couple of Fuck Yous were exchanged before a store clerk came over to me, winked and said "it's OK I'll handle this".

Saw them a few minutes later. She had a mask on, his was over his chin. I said to him, Y'know, your dick won't shrivel if you put your mask over your nose and mouth."
I got another fuck you.

This was the first incident of maskless asshattery I've seen in weeks. The occasional mouthbreather (mask not over nose), but no real in-your-face defiance.

I'm done putting up with these fuckheads.

Yeah.... I'm just going to stay on the farm and when I have to go in I keep my head down and get my stuff done and get out. The ignorance. The in-your-face-I-dare-you attitudes. The self-righteous bullshit. It's all too much.

[KQ]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...MGQ7ZpoZBy3_UM

Canada has had about half as many coronavirus deaths per capita as the United States. The number of cases in Canada has been steadily declining since April, while cases in some states are surging.

“I’m not very optimistic at all,” Steve Seymour said during a recent interview at the family business, Drayton Harbor Oysters. “Why would they let us in?”

Trump Doubles Down On Claim Coronavirus Will Disappear: ‘I’ll Be Right Eventually’

[XXX-er]

Trump only has to not be wrong until november election, that statement is not even one of his 20,000 lies

down thar in America folks can get damn near anything free delivery/ much cheaper prices than up here so a lot of Vancoverites ordered stuff delivered to a Blaine forwarding company where they pickit up/grab milk/cheese/ tank of fuel, save money on their item and its shipping costs

The Border never did open so now all those packages are stuck to overflowing at the forwarding companies and all the businesses on that side of the line that depended on Canadians are screwed

sorry eh

[bennymac]

[Name Redacted]

have to agree - can't imagine he would say "how dare you" based on all the interviews I've seen him give esp. the one on PBS last Friday. The man is not confrontational in any way shape or form.

Only "news" source I could find online that had it was the Wisconsin Gazette

Agree, maybe it was Greta Thurnburg trying to get another 15 mins. Either way

[riser4]

Greta is awesome.