Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[wooley12]

Has this one been reviewed by the committee here yet?

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577


Objective The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks.

Setting 14 secondary-level/tertiary-level hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam.

Participants 1607 hospital HCWs aged ≥18 years working full-time in selected high-risk wards.

Intervention Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.

Main outcome measure Clinical respiratory illness (CRI), influenza-like illness (ILI) and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infection.

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

Dumbass

[Timberridge]

HDQ

I'm glad you mentioned this hutash as #2 in my fight against the corona is drinking tonic water.

If you recall, #1 was opening the ozone hole back up to let in more sterilizing UV radiation to kill the virus.

Unfortunately the FDA limits quinine in tonic water to 83mg/L. I don't know if any of you have tried to drink a liter of tonic water straight up, but that shit goes down a bit hard after the first 350ml.

So I've been using tonic water in my everyday cooking to get myself up to about 500mg/day. For those who don't have a calculator handy, that's 6 liters of tonic water/day.

Some ideas I have come up with. I boil my pasta in tonic water. The pasta absorbs the quinine and I paired it with some clams in a quinine sauce last night for a nice quinine pop. Basically any recipe that uses water or white wine, you can use tonic water.

I'd love to hear any other ideas you folks have to incorporate quinine into the diet to keep the 'rona at bay.

[Viva]

None of the recent links to medical articles posted here recently, at least those that I've read, are very instructive, regardless of the poster's point of view.

[huckbucket]

None of the recent links to medical articles posted here recently, at least those that I've read, are very instructive, regardless of the poster's point of view.

Have you considered frozen, processed meat products? Surprisingly satisfying.

[Timberridge]

None of the recent links to medical articles posted here recently, at least those that I've read, are very instructive, regardless of the poster's point of view.

If the 'researchers' would include titty pictures it would go a long way to making those articles more readable. As it stands now, I can't even get past the first sentences in the abstract.

[plugboots]

I'd love to hear any other ideas you folks have to incorporate quinine into the diet to keep the 'rona at bay.

A lot of folks here during the TP shortage added bidets so maybe tonic water for the supply line?

[evdog]

A lot of folks here during the TP shortage added bidets so maybe tonic water for the supply line?

Tonic water enima. Just shove the supply line right in there!




Local tribes around San Diego are reopening their casinos against requests by County and State officials. Casinos are on sovereign territory so the County/State can't do anything. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...more-to-follow

One employee in the food and beverage department at Viejas said he was shocked when he learned of the reopening from a post on the casino’s Facebook page.

He said a supervisor contacted him several days later calling him back to work. But the employee didn’t feel safe returning to such a crowded setting.

When he expressed this, he was told that if he refused, he would lose his health insurance at the end of the month. He was also told that he might lose his unemployment benefits because the casino would report to the state that the employee was offered work but refused.

Viejas officials have not returned multiple requests for comment about how they’re managing their employees.

The employee said he would feel differently about returning if state officials had already announced the reopening of other high-risk businesses. Instead, Viejas’ decision felt premature to him, a feeling magnified by the county’s criticism of the decision this week.

“If I’m not allowed to go to a restaurant down the street because it might put employees and customers there at risk, then why would I feel safe being asked to do those very things?” he said.

[Timberridge]

Or like a tonic water water fountain where you can just take small sips during the day?

[iceman]

A lot of folks here during the TP shortage added bidets so maybe tonic water for the supply line?

Sounds refreshing.

[DBdude]

especially on a hot day

[Timberridge]

Local tribes around San Diego are reopening their casinos against requests by County and State officials. Casinos are on sovereign territory so the County/State can't do anything.

Perhaps they're getting us back for the smallpox infected blankets the US Army used to give out.

[altasnob]

The Sweden experiment.

Remember back in late April when Sweden said they would start seeing signs of herd immunity in Stockholm by mid May? I posted on 4/28 that Stockholm county had 1,287 deaths on that date. Today (5/19) they have 1,864 deaths (10,668 total infected). I don't speak Swedish so can't comment on the daily rate of change, but doesn't appear herd immunity has kicked in yet. I will check back in two weeks to see what the numbers say.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...6f9f87457ed9aa

[old goat]

Viral load matters in determining whether an exposure becomes a transmission. And lowering R0 is how we get to herd immunity. So every exposure that is not a transmission gets us closer.

You're saying that low dose exposure without transmission produces immunity? Is there evidence of that? I would think that in order to produce antibodies the virus must be replicating to some degree--ie transmission. Is there evidence that the difference between symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers is the number of virons in the exposure, rather than differences in the host immune response or genetic susceptibility? Is their quantitative evidence of antibody titers between symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers?

[PB]

“Karens”......

https://twitter.com/askjillian/statu...754372609?s=21

On the other hand, fake cry is obviously fake.

[skifishbum]

You're a fucking piece of shit. Kill your family, then yourself. Make sure you center the shotgun in front of your face.

Eat shit and die, you spineless Trump sycophant.

shirley you jest

hopefully you git help

[KQ]

From Doubleback/Bledsoe Family Winery:



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[jono]

You're saying that low dose exposure without transmission produces immunity?

I was not intending to say that at all, sorry for the confused wording. I was simply saying that if people have a certain number of interactions and they take precautionary measures which are effective for some of those interactions that the R value goes down. 100% effectiveness is not needed to drive down R0.

I also referred to herd immunity in a general sense, meaning whether we get there by vaccine or by any other means: herd immunity meaning R0<1.

[Ted Striker]

its fucking mind boggling to me someone would chose to wear a mask to virtue signal when science shows that they are largely ineffective.

MAGA

Objective: To evaluate the effectiveness of surgical and cotton masks in filtering SARS–CoV-2.

Conclusion: Both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.

[jono]

None of the recent links to medical articles posted here recently, at least those that I've read, are very instructive, regardless of the poster's point of view.

I agree with this statement. In particular I'm not super pleased with two kinds of studies which seem to be typically soft in one way or another: studies of masks and Chinese "reports." Mask studies seem to be full of little experiments that could have been carried out by a small team of graduate students in an afternoon and the data often looks like they took it once and ran with it despite weird irregularities. Or, just as often, patterns that look like they could be anomolies of the apparatus. No discussion of that most of the time, either. And on the Chinese side of things, is there some unusual incentive for Chinese clinicians to report things so they wind up on Pubmed? Is it just my search terms? Because I find an unusually large number of papers from China that are written as if to look like they were large studies but in fact they're just a report on 1-3 patients that this guy saw.

[old goat]

I was not intending to say that at all, sorry for the confused wording. I was simply saying that if people have a certain number of interactions and they take precautionary measures which are effective for some of those interactions that the R value goes down. 100% effectiveness is not needed to drive down R0.

I also referred to herd immunity in a general sense, meaning whether we get there by vaccine or by any other means: herd immunity meaning R0<1.

Got it. Thanks.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I agree with this statement. In particular I'm not super pleased with two kinds of studies which seem to be typically soft in one way or another: studies of masks and Chinese "reports." Mask studies seem to be full of little experiments that could have been carried out by a small team of graduate students in an afternoon and the data often looks like they took it once and ran with it despite weird irregularities. Or, just as often, patterns that look like they could be anomolies of the apparatus. No discussion of that most of the time, either. And on the Chinese side of things, is there some unusual incentive for Chinese clinicians to report things so they wind up on Pubmed? Is it just my search terms? Because I find an unusually large number of papers from China that are written as if to look like they were large studies but in fact they're just a report on 1-3 patients that this guy saw.

In my field, environmental science, the Chinese submit maybe 10 times the number of papers as the rest of the world for publication. It's got to be intentional to get them more exposure.

[jono]

In my field, environmental science, the Chinese submit maybe 10 times the number of papers as the rest of the world for publication. It's got to be intentional to get them more exposure.

Good to know I'm not going crazy. I saw the same in looking for stomach cancer articles, but I figured that might have been owed to a difference in prevalence. Feels like any day now someone will publish a survey of studies looking at whether or not ignoring Chinese search results improves outcomes for people looking at Pubmed.

[Deebased]

Dude. You're far too smart to waste your time on people who are so shockingly uninformed.

Get back in your cell spunkbucket.

If you had one speck of reading comprehension or critical thinking, you'd discern there was no comment on efficacy of masks but, why JGB cares if someone wears a mask.

On the spectrum of dying, opening the economy and wearing a mask. The vast majority of people will choose the latter, so let them choose.

I'd tell you to go lick doorknobs but the CDC just confirmed rubber gloves are only good for keeping Covid infected shit off your hands when gaping your ass. Surface to surface infections have fallen further down the communicability danger list.

[subtle plague]

Short question for timber: couldn't we just put titty pictures on spray cans with pre 1987 cfc gas and solve the crisis that way? I mean EVERYBODY would use that hairspray. We could use the illegal production somewhere in Eastern China and solve the issue by going full circle!
Oh edit: and we would have to make poison, quiet riot and twisted Sister popular again. But that should be easy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgMGk9JPVA

[uglymoney]

This was probably discussed here so excuse me for stepping away from this thread long enough not to notice. Julia Mancuso pushing the Plandemic conspiracy and seems to be personal Twitter buddies with Judy Mikovits.

She was already annoying AF but whatever, I'm okay with people being cool with who they are as long as it is good harmless fun. But pushing garbage like this on followers who find her influential...no longer a fan of any sort. Too bad because at one time before I knew much about her I thought she was a cool bad ass. I like to hero worship these gals that rip but...unfollowed on all platforms. I'm sure she is crushed.