Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[east or bust]

Something like this?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...somerville/amp

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Yes, exactly that. Thanks for posting the link.

I also found this article interesting.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...-with-uv-light

[AK47bp]

...but would ‘y’all stop saying Karens? It’s the modern equivalent of any other offensive slur. I don’t want to be targeted with hatred just for being a white woman. Yes some white women are pathetic but same with any demographic, mangs. When I see rants against Karen’s, my skin crawls because I’ve seen a little hatred go a long way. Most of your mammas are “Karens”...and I’d be sad to see them slaughtered like in the holocaust. Y’all are basically into nazi sentiments by continually spreading hate. I can ski great and I love animals and plants and I don’t impede on others’ good times. So why should I feel fucked by covid and fucked by your viral spread of hate?

Okay Karen.


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[MultiVerse]

Jen, they won’t.

Shallow men need insults to feel big.

One of ironies of the Karen-mongering is the overlap among men protesting while heavily armed wearing full tactical kits including bulletproof vests and helmets in a spit fueled rage over other people wearing cloth masks.

[seano732]

Okay Karen.


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OK Karen-JONG. fify

[seano732]

Exhibit A-

Karen flips out cause it took too long to get her Red Lobster......

[simple]

One of ironies of the Karen-mongering is the overlap among men protesting while heavily armed wearing full tactical kits including bulletproof vests and helmets in a spit fueled rage over other people wearing cloth masks.

Those are Incels. They have their own memes

[PB]

Saw a good explanation for it on reddit but couldn't find it.

Paraphrasing... Your standard idiot American has never had to actually be enforced to follow any strict rules since early developmental years. They know nothing about self sacrifice and doing things for the greater good. They have been spoon fed a lifestyle of consumerism and they want their ability to consume whatever whenever. They want their eating out privilege and their sports center back. They are tired of hearing about covid and want new episodes of shit programs. The pigs are restless

So you're saying that the ones screaming "y'all are a bunch of sheeple!!!" are the real sheeple?!?!?

I'm shocked.
Truly shocked.

[wooley12]

Okay Karen.


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I invited a local to a meetup when he called me a Karen on FB. I suggested we meet so he could say it to my face. So far no response. You would be the same pussy. Amiright?

[Benny Profane]

Exhibit A-

Karen flips out cause it took too long to get her Red Lobster......

For fucks sake. These poor people who have to work in these places. This is the reason to tip well. It isn't for your service, it's compensation for the hundreds of assholes they have to deal with, and probably tip zip.

Learn to cook, you fat slobs.

[AK47bp]

I invited a local to a meetup when he called me a Karen on FB. I suggested we meet so he could say it to my face. So far no response. You would be the same pussy. Amiright?

What are you talking about BOOMER, go cough on someone at QFC.




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[AK47bp]

Exhibit A-

Karen flips out cause it took too long to get her Red Lobster......

Actually that’s a Cathy.

Can we use Cathy now too?

Bunch of Karen’s and Cathy’s out there runnin amuck.


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[skiballs]

Exhibit A-

Karen flips out cause it took too long to get her Red Lobster......

Wooley could kick take this bitch, maybe.


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[AK47bp]

Wooley could kick take this bitch, maybe.


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Haha.

She’d wipe the floor with Wooley’s mustache.

Seriously.




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[Deebased]

You should stop repeating this lie. It's a lie because COVID-19:

1 - Is significantly more contagious
2 - There's a significantly higher proportion of the population susceptible to the disease
3 - There's a significantly higher proportion of people with significant clinical illness
4 - There's significantly longer hospital stays and significantly more long term damage
5 - Available data shows past age 23 there's significantly higher CFR and IFR for < 65
6 - Around 80% of deaths for both COVID-19 and flu are 65+ while COVID CFR is higher




Since the beginning, this has been the wrong framing. Business and consumer behavior changed before the government mandated shutdowns and opening things back up won't change that fact.

I am in agreement with the people who want to see the states reopen. The problem is leadership failures have created two bad choices for Americans: shutdown or dangerous reopening. There is no plan.

For the qualifications I provided the statement is factual.


1. Sure its more contagious. That doesn't affect the fatality rates only the speed of transmission.
2. The flu has been circulating for at least the last 500 years, let's have this discussion in 499 years and 8 months.
5. I used the CDC and NIH data for the flu and for c19
6. For the high risk population its far more deadly than the flu, that's an additional point that the high risk should take much more responsibility for their personal safety.


Kant said it best when deciding between two poor choices... "ought implies can"

[XXX-er]

its killed young people and its killed >2100 HC proffesionals

the flu doesnt usually kill doctors

[puma]

Not throwing stones. Just making observations.

I have an old box in the garage. Used them for nasty jobs. But I don’t get how they are reusable. I have reused them, but I always had to blow into them to get them off, or if not, then the fingers get inverted and I have to blow into them to get the fingers right again. Not gonna blow the corona!

I would think dishwashing gloves would be better. You can alternate pairs and bleach them when you get home. And they last forever.

Anyone thought about a napkin or grocery bag or sandwich bag for the gas pump handle?

I remember they used to offer vinyl gloves like the deli uses. Those have to be better than burning up nitrile glove supply.

Personally, I use dishwashing gloves when I go to stores for food, or to the liquor store for essentials. I leave the gloves on the floor of the car after careful removal prior to entering the car. Keeps hands off the face, and minimizes contamination. (In my mind at the least) After the gloves have sat on the car floor for a week, I bring them in wash them off with disinfectant, then store for the next time. It works. Hopefully, I am not taking valuable gloves from a dishwasher in need.

[MultiVerse]

its killed young people and its killed >2100 HC proffesionals

the flu doesnt usually kill doctors

Not to mention COVID truthers rely on cherry picked provisional death counts for their statements. According to the CDC:

- “Death certificates take time to be completed.”
- “Waiting for test results can create additional delays.”
- “It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS [the National Center for Health Statistics] within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded manually, which takes an average of 7 days.”

The CDC goes on to say, "Counting only confirmed or probable COVID-19–associated deaths, however, likely underestimates the number of deaths attributable to the pandemic. The count-ing of confirmed and probable COVID-19–associated deaths might not include deaths among persons with SARS-CoV-2 infection who did not access diagnostic testing, tested falsely negative, or became infected after testing negative, died out-side of a health care setting, or for whom COVID-19 was not suspected by a health care provider as a cause of death."


A meta-analysis of 109 studies places the COVID-19 IFR across populations at 0.75% (0.49-1.01%) for the end of April. That's significantly higher than the flu.

[Skidog]

Personally, I use dishwashing gloves when I go to stores for food, or to the liquor store for essentials. I leave the gloves on the floor of the car after careful removal prior to entering the car. Keeps hands off the face, and minimizes contamination. (In my mind at the least) After the gloves have sat on the car floor for a week, I bring them in wash them off with disinfectant, then store for the next time. It works. Hopefully, I am not taking valuable gloves from a dishwasher in need.

you best start sending hand lotion to the local dishwashers union for your egregious use of their PPE.

[Deebased]

Holy fuck you're obtuse.

It's about public health and the greatest good for the greatest number, which means taking every possible step to not transmit the disease. I am taking the precautions I am, and I support closures, bans, etc. because I don't want to potentially transmit it to anyone else, not because I don't want to be exposed to it. That has been the rationale behind PPE for the general public from the start, and it reveals just how callous and uncaring many people are when they blatantly shirk their civic duty because they don't consider themselves at risk.

So your civic duty is to protect the greatest good for the greatest number.

Perhaps 5% of the population will be be hospitalized with aIFR that's a tiny fraction of that number.

Let's address the uncaring part. You'd prefer the sacrifice of another year of our children's social/educational development, suicides, personal bankruptcies, state/local bankruptcies, 10T in federal debt, increase in addiction, divorces and a myriad of other byproducts to not avoid but hopefully slow the spread.

It takes a special type of sociopath to propose destroying hundreds of millions of lives but there's always a couple who will pipe up.

[XXX-er]

i wear gloves when I buy gas

but only so my hands don't smell of gas

[Deebased]

its killed young people and its killed >2100 HC proffesionals

the flu doesnt usually kill doctors

Who told you that?
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/lo...2-962c514f7a46

The flu kills everyone, it doesn't check if you have an MD by your name and doctors are notoriously bad at getting flu shots. https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...hs-last-season

[KQ]

I'm gonna be on an express train there - shall I save you a seat?

well seeing as how I'm a heathen atheist who believes in neither heaven nor hell (or rather is pretty sure life on earth is actually hell) perhaps you should save it for someone more deserving.

[old goat]

I use gloves everyday at work in the group home, for food prep, for applying topical medications, and for assisting with toileting (these uses are a matter of State as well as our company's policies). A couple of our residents receive them along with other medical supplies paid by medicaid. The rest were purchased at Costco, but now we are unable to buy them there anymore (no supply for some reason I guess), and have been limping along on what was in our company's supply closet. The several boxes a month allotted by medicaid don't go very far to meeting the need. We are running out.

So, for every one of you who use them to go grocery shopping, there are likely shortages for people who actually need them, to do their jobs, and to protect themselves from blood born pathogens (we have MERSA carriers where I work), that can be (and are actually) present in stool and urine, and the occasional vomit, not to mention being essential in administration of medications.

I just thought you ought to know.

^^^This. That's the kind of thing non sterile gloves are good for. When used with hand washing.

Problem is that mask wearing, at least around here, is just done wrong. I see people driving with them on, and walking in the middle of nowhere. And, I love Bill Burr, but he did a stupid rant the other day about watching people walking alone on the other side of the street without masks. People, if you're outside, and socially distant, a mask is not necessary, and the state guidelines around here tell me to wear one indoors and to keep socially distant. I wish they would add, keep talking, and especially shouting, to a minimum, too. I was in the liquor store yesterday, and a masked manager was shouting to a customer about an order with me in between. Good god, I ran out of that place, exhaling.

I love the reporters doing spots outdoors wearing a mask with the cameraman at least 6 feet away. Although I suppose they are trying to set a good example.

What kid of group home?

I bought a Costco double pack back in January. I use nitrate for my fiberglass work. Each box typically lasts me a year or more. So I still have a completely u opened box and could donate. Don’t think I’ll ship it to where ever you are, but imagine there may be similar operations in town here who are short. Figured I could call around a donate. Just not sure what the best outlet is: retirement home, or something else.


Old Goat - I understand how to use gloves and am able to remove them using a methods wear one glove rolls up o side the other w/o ever touching my hands. Works amazing for a sticky resin, but after reading you post, it sounds like virus particles will fly off into my face. Can you explain how that happens? My gloves are about belly height when removed, rolled away from my body and the outsides become the insides. I also thought virus’s would be less likely to cling to nitrate than my flesh.

I used gloves when I had a diesel. Those pumps are always fucking nasty with that fuel. So it was easy for me to take a few of my gloves, throw them in the glove compartment (aptly named) and use them for this purpose.

I’ve field up exactly five times since this all blew up, using gloves I already owned, so not feeling too guilty.

If you're very careful taking them off very gently you won't be dispersing any virus but why go to the trouble--unless you have neither soap and water or sanitizer, in which case gloves are the next best thing. BTW--as far as doffing gloves and other PPE I'm extrapolating from a study in China where the highest virus concentration in the air was in the room where people took off their PPE. Obviously one person taking off gloves is different than a lot of people removing full PPE, so I would think the risk is small. But you should still wash your hands or sanitize after taking off the gloves, so why not skip the gloves and just do the washing or sanitizing?

My main concern though is workers in stores and take out places who wear the same gloves all day serving multiple customers. That is no better than not wearing gloves and much more likely to transmit infection than washing or sanitizing bare hands between customers.

[KQ]

Trump looks like a smuck at the whitehouse with masks and distancing when you know there was only sposed to be 12 cases

he is still talking about Hillary and Obama and the American public is too divided to care about the people who are dead/dying or even what is in their own best interest

in any case its all ^^ been done before ... back when Nero fiddled as Rome burnt

Funny, just this morning during my daily stall cleaning meditation I was shaking my head and laughing at how Trump retweeted this meme





Idiot had no idea what it meant. He thought it was a compliment and that right there says a lot if not everything.

[Adolf Allerbush]

How do you disconnect the two, though? More infections means more at-risk infections and more deaths. Everyone knows this, but many seem to tacitly ignore it or just say old people should die for the greater good. I just can't subscribe to that philosophy, sorry.

Doesn't account for the long term lung damage many seem to be experiencing though, and limiting exposure to prevent overutilization is especially important in light of the rank incompetence of the federal response.

Agree to both of these.

So your civic duty is to protect the greatest good for the greatest number.

There is no way you can prove that what you propose actually achieves this.