Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[riser4]

Pfizer 4 in the arm.

Ya, I am 2+2 as of this past Wednesday.

[old goat]

It's most likely the kid has an underlying yet unknown issue crop up that COVID probably brought to the surface and pushed him over the edge on.
Another one from kidney failure from hydrating too much or something. A normal set of kidneys / small intestine can process larger amounts of water fine (needed when it's July/August in the South).


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Neither of these statements is true. It is possible that the apparently healthy kid that died of covid had an undiagnosed significant condition--but hardly likely. And young healthy people can and do die during and after intense exercise in the heat-- of heat stroke, of dehydration, and of electrolyte abnormalities--low sodium--from overhydrating with water alone. We had a whole thread about the latter.

[MontuckyFried]

Neither of these statements is true. It is possible that the apparently healthy kid that died of covid had an undiagnosed significant condition--but hardly likely. And young healthy people can and do die during and after intense exercise in the heat-- of heat stroke, of dehydration, and of electrolyte abnormalities--low sodium--from overhydrating with water alone. We had a whole thread about the latter.

I believe you. I guess no matter what the case was on both of them, the greater point is that assuming healthy/fit/young, dropping dead from COVID (or over-hydrating) is exceedingly rare and not much more than anecdotal at best, thus doesn't present much of an argument for doing anything differently than you normally would.

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[dunfree]

I believe you. I guess no matter what the case was on both of them, the greater point is that assuming healthy/fit/young, dropping dead from COVID (or over-hydrating) is exceedingly rare and not much more than anecdotal at best, thus doesn't present much of an argument for doing anything differently than you normally would.

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how can someone without brain worms pretend the only risk from Covid is dropping dead over two years into the shitdemic?

I mean, you’ll be blaming the fed and Biden for china’s zero Covid dumbfuckery in two months when your wife can’t get her massager, but jfc.

[skiJ]

again, not true - and I am surprised SJG hasn't followed-up ( I really wanted him to have the first or second chance ) --

The issue is covid. and as we see just a few posts up-thread, the potential for long-term effects of covid are real.
This doesn't mean go about your life as though it is not a risk and not a threat...

Best, if you value your life - living 'normally' - get vaccinated, that includes boosters as appropriate ;

second, if you have underlying risk factors, take additional precautions as necessary, and as you choose ;
there are scores of pages in these threads about choices we can make to reduce risk...


I do not agree with comparing the risks of covid with the risk of military service or other intense activity -
You have agreed with goat regarding this and it is neither necessary nor helpful to belabor it.

the threat of covid remains -
> 280,000 cases last week,
> 2,100 death last week -

the long-term effects of a covid infection Are. Not. Known.

it saddens me to read medical care providers claim it is inevitable, everyone will be infected
( especially when in a non-urban setting, (they) have not seen a positive this month ) ;
I still believe the better option is to avoid infection.

> 280,000 cases just last week in the usofa ;
hospitalizations are again rising ( up ten percent last week ) --

going about your life doesn't have to mean not taking precautions -
I believe there are steps people can take to reduce risk
( sixty. and with risk factors, I am 4x vaccinated.
( and I wear a mask in-public, indoors ) )

I won't go into the matter of transmission here, and there are others who have better understandings of those numbers than I, and transmission is a 'thing' too.


Good luck. skiJ

[SumJongGuy]

again, not true - and I am surprised SJG hasn't followed-up ( I really wanted him to have the first or second chance ) --

I just wanted to let the ignorance simmer awhile.. And I've been kinda busy. 12 years and probably a thousand kids coming through the troop and nobody died or experienced any serious trauma until COVID. Couple classmates and kids at other schools also died around here,

Ya, I'm good with them all wearing masks at school for as long as COVID is a bigger issue than regular seasonal flu. School is different than going to the store and moving through it never sharing airspace with anyone else for more than a couple minutes.. Being cooped up in the same room with thirty other kids and teachers all fucking day long is definitely superspreader territory.

[skiskiskiskiski]

That's truly sad, but you can't act like that's the norm or even remotely likely for the majority of young, health people. It's most likely the kid has an underlying yet unknown issue crop up that COVID probably brought to the surface and pushed him over the edge on. Kind of like when I went through AF basic training, 2 young men died while I was there. One from heart failure from which all the running put him over the edge. Another one from kidney failure from hydrating too much or something. A normal heart can take the running fine. A normal set of kidneys / small intestine can process larger amounts of water fine (needed when it's July/August in the South). These are things that never wouldve happened had they not been pushed.

Again, the loss of the young scout or those young servicemen (and countless more who die in training all the time) is heart breaking, but it happens. We can't keep from living because there are sadly people who lost the genetic (or viral) lottery.

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Why is wearing a mask not living?

[skiJ]

I don't think MFried was rejecting masking,
just advocating For living. and

acknowledging stuff happens --


it will be interesting to see if b.2.a turns into a wave...

Good luck. skiJ

[bobz]

Well, this is a rare sight: My Bay Area county has a case rate that's double the national average. It's kind of ramping up lately. San Mateo High School had a prom, and 90 out of 600 attendees ended up Covid positive. I'm hearing about a few friends of neighbors, teachers at kid's school, etc, getting Covid. Ugh, am I really going to have to do another shitty day vax before summer even starts?

[old goat]

The covid is still here. I'm not thrilled that the only chair lift up the mountain from the base is done--not thrilled to ride the tram or funitel, especially since the high temps mean you need to ride them as soon as they open, and are packed. Guess I can wear a mask, or call it a season.

[bodywhomper]

Ugh, am I really going to have to do another shitty day vax before summer even starts?

Probably. That Kaiser study that I linked upthread is pretty eye opening.

OG, you could take a trip for a few days and close out your season at mammoth. Or wear a mask on the funi. Or both

[dunfree]

I don't think MFried was rejecting masking,
just advocating For living. and

acknowledging stuff happens --


it will be interesting to see if b.2.a turns into a wave...

Good luck. skiJ

how many of the thousands of children orphaned by Covid-19 gave their parent/caregiver the diesease? Life must go on is a slogan, making life go on can behard

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

The other thread seems dead. Roughly 14 weeks out and symptoms greatly improved but not gone. I have a 7 day course of Ivermectin. Really can't find a good reason not to take it.

[TBS]

Maybe because you are having surgery soon?

[dunfree]

Because it’s worthless unless you have worms?

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

No idea if/when im getting surgery. My guess is that the soonest would be 7-10 days from now.

[old goat]

The other thread seems dead. Roughly 14 weeks out and symptoms greatly improved but not gone. I have a 7 day course of Ivermectin. Really can't find a good reason not to take it.

Because you could probably sell it for a pretty penny?

[skiJ]

how many of the thousands of children orphaned by Covid-19 gave their parent/caregiver the diesease? Life must go on is a slogan, making life go on can behard

dunfree - I do not know how many children orphaned by covid transmitted covid to their parents.
no one else said,
' Life must go on '
which is more than a slogan...

yes, making like go on may be hard - but,
That is what is to be done.

masking can be a tool in that process -
though less than ideal, I will continue to use a mask, indoors, in-public - And I will maintain my vaccination, which I believe promotes immunity...

my Life will be different -
with risk factors, I will maintain efforts to limit my exposure and limit my risk.
Age and aging is unavoidable.
but I don't have to eat in restaurants ( and I have friends who even before the pandemic, rarely did. ). and
I will avoid crowds.


Good luck... skiJ

[Trackhead]

Roughly 14 weeks out and symptoms greatly improved but not gone. I have a 7 day course of Ivermectin. Really can't find a good reason not to take it.

Because the power of placebo is real.

[Mazderati]

Because it’s worthless unless you have worms?

If it only worked on brain worms.

[old goat]

Because the power of placebo is real.

I was impressed by a study I read that showed that placebos work, even when you tell people it's a placebo. From Harvard, no less.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...o-201607079926
Still, WG should sell the ivermectin--he's going to need the money, American health care system and all.

[Trackhead]

Placebo does work.

To be fair, and to not downplay “long covid”….I had mild case over New Year and felt quite weak all winter when ski touring. Granted, I get out WAY less than I used to, but skiing today I feel way better than I did in February and March. I think “long covid” is a poor term, as it traps people into thinking “this will never end”. Media is pushing it hard, too. Need to slow down before think post viral funk is somehow permanently disabling.

[The AD]

I think “long covid” is a poor term, as it traps people into thinking “this will never end”. Media is pushing it hard, too. Need to slow down before think post viral funk is somehow permanently disabling.

Do we know for sure yet that it's not for some people? There are certainly other viruses that can cause lifelong disabilities such as polio, so it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Placebo does work.

To be fair, and to not downplay “long covid”….I had mild case over New Year and felt quite weak all winter when ski touring. Granted, I get out WAY less than I used to, but skiing today I feel way better than I did in February and March. I think “long covid” is a poor term, as it traps people into thinking “this will never end”. Media is pushing it hard, too. Need to slow down before think post viral funk is somehow permanently disabling.

Post Covid is better I think


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[Trackhead]

Do we know for sure yet that it's not for some people? There are certainly other viruses that can cause lifelong disabilities such as polio, so it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

Sure, it’s real. Pulmonary fibrosis, myocarditis, the obvious stuff. It’s the more elusive symptoms that can not be picked up by labs/imaging that remain a mystery. For some it is psychosomatic, probably real pathology for others. Problem is lumping it all under one umbrella.

The demographic most affected by long covid mirrors that of fibromyalgia which is a catch all diagnosis for chronic fatigue/depression in presence of normal labs/etc.

Some “long covid” anecdotal reports of success with Paxlovid. Same thing happened after vax rolled out, people thought it helped “long covid”. Perhaps placebo. Who knows.