Electric car thread

[mcski]

Talked to a neighbor with a new Rivian SUV yesterday. That thing is pretty bad ass and very well appointed. Not that I’m buying one anytime soon but it sure made me drool

[chaka]

we're looking seriously at the Fisker Ocean for next car purchase around 2024... Anyone have one of the first on order?

[Dromond]

Not really with this 2021 version. The Odyssey’s Nannie’s kicked in so hard the car just stopped on inclines. You could turn it off, and then with all the weight in back, the front tires just spun. Really tricky combo of carry a shit ton of momentum and not fly off the road. The Prius just works. Our BMW and Golf R are really cool to watch how quickly they transfer power to the wheels w/traction. Less than a half wheel rotation.
This video helped us decide, and is exactly how the car performs.
Of course it’s a Canadian reviewer.

I never drove the AWD one, but I did spend some time on snow with and older Prius that I thought felt really slow and kind of terrible to drive. It worked with snow tires but still had little traction. My slow 2.0i Impreza was still faster than that, so new ones must be a lot better.

[45hill]

Something to consider.

[WMD]

Something to consider.

This dude is totally full of shit.

[Beaver]

This dude is totally full of shit.

So full of shit.

[plugboots]

I made it about 20 seconds in. He sounds like an idiot.

[45hill]

Then prove him wrong.

I am all for green energy but don't buy into the bullshit that electric vehicles are the answer. They are a stepping stone to getting off fossil fuels but are far from being the end all be all. Look at the bigger picture . Buying gas is one thing. Using oil to create the plastic, diesel trucks to mine the lithium, coal fire power plants to manufacture the parts, etc.

By the way, I only use wood to heat my house which is carbon neutral but do use a gas chainsaw and gas in my truck to gather the wood. Is it better than using propane? I don't know know but it makes me feel better knowing that I am not paying a propane bill.

[frorider]

Are you being serious? JFC for many years there have been hundreds of total footprint studies. https://theicct.org/publication/a-gl...assenger-cars/

If the world starts keeps getting ‘education’ from idiots on YouTube we are fucked.

[45hill]

I will watch this video in your link and get back to you.

[Beaver]

It really doesn't matter WTF we drive, we're on a downward spiral to oblivion. Maybe EVs slow the spiral a little but realistically it won't have made a lick of difference 100 years from now.

[mcski]

I will watch this video in your link and get back to you.

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Burning trees for heat is carbon neutral? Wood smoke is one of the worst possible air pollutants this side of coal. There’s a reason our spare the air days specially call out wood stoves and fire places to cease and desist. I love a wood fire but they are really terrible in bulk

[muted reborn]

This thread is nuts but I see next to no mention of clearance. Is anyone using a Tesla Model X as a regular ski car in deep snow situations, a la Tahoe? The hitch mounted ski rack would suck but it has the same clearance as an Outback (8") and autopilot will make the Marin > Tahoe commute less hellish. Seems doable?

Any other high clearance EVs I'm missing? Any Lightning owners yet?

I've been following Rivian since the beginning and as much as I like the looks of the SUV, Car and Driver says it drives horribly and spending $95k on a new car is not the wisest financial move.

I don't have a definitive answer but I'd say get a tesla with the smallest wheel size possible for snow and chunky tire clearance and get the performance version so you can turn off the auto-nanny to get out of ditches. Or at least I heard you can do this with the performance version, I have no experience with it to know for sure. All I know it's annoying not being able to do donuts in the snow in a 'regular' Tesla.

[WMD]

It really doesn't matter WTF we drive, we're on a downward spiral to oblivion. Maybe EVs slow the spiral a little but realistically it won't have made a lick of difference 100 years from now.

Not true. We've got to stop burning things for heat and energy. Every serious modeler of how to get to net zero emissions says we must electrify everything we can and then we must get that electricity from clean sources.

It's true that we are going to blow by 1.5C of warming soon, probably by 2032, and we aren't on track to limit warming to 2C either. But every ton of emissions we cut means less suffering, and that is worth something. Electrifying everything, including vehicles, cuts emissions. It matters.

[Core Shot]

We’re probably already over 3C

But where do we get enough clean electricity?

Option one. Kill a few billion people.
Option two. Build more nuke plants?
Option three. Fusion reactors and unicorn farts?

[WMD]

We’re probably already over 3C

But where do we get enough clean electricity?

Option one. Kill a few billion people.
Option two. Build more nuke plants?
Option three. Fusion reactors and unicorn farts?

We are currently at about 1.2C. Current policies around the world might keep us below 3C(https://www.unep.org/resources/emiss...ap-report-2022 ) - barely. Promises, but without policies to back them up, get us closer to 2C. But we have to do better, for sure.

We have the technology to get all the clean electricity we need. We need to build wind and solar and batteries like crazy. We may or may not need nuclear (problems with nuclear are cost and that it can't efficiently ramp up and down to fill in the gaps when renewables aren't producing- and it takes a long time to build and we could build a lot of renewables in that amount of time and with that money).

Option 1: the richest 10% globally need to spend some of our wealth to drastically cut emissions. And we need to change how we live. Population growth causes many problems, but on climate it is consumption and lifestyles of the wealthy, not the number of poor people. "Average consumption per person in sub-Saharan Africa, excluding South Africa, is a mere 185 kilowatt-hours (kWh) a year, compared with about 6,500kWh in Europe and 12,700kWh in America. An American fridge uses more electricity than a typical African person." https://www.economist.com/middle-eas...es-more-energy

Option 2: there are so many things we can do - and we need to do all of them.

Building all of this shit will have environmental impacts, for sure. But if we electrify everything, mining will decrease by about 80% because we will no longer be digging stuff up to burn every day.

[gravitylover]

We'll just dig shit up to make batteries and motors and...

CS' idea of eliminating a few billion people is on the right track. Lol

[frorider]

We’re probably already over 3C

But where do we get enough clean electricity?

Option one. Kill a few billion people.
Option two. Build more nuke plants?
Option three. Fusion reactors and unicorn farts?

There’s a synergy option combining #1 & #2!

[uglymoney]

https://twitter.com/crentsch/status/...K58lY-arw&s=19

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[NBABUCKS1]

Since this thread has one again devolved into EV's saving the planet I thought this live energy map was one of the cooler links i've seen recently.

Shows where different places are getting their energy sourced from in 'real time' .

https://app.electricitymaps.com/map

[Garbowski]

That link is really awesome, thanks! Interesting how much capacity is being used.

[Ted Striker]

A lot of blanks on that map. One of them is big enough to skew the entire thing.

[Ted Striker]

Option one. Kill a few billion people.

That's option 2. Option 1 was not making them in the first place. Something everyone knew in the 60s but didn't follow through on.

[Meadow Skipper]

Since this thread has one again devolved into EV's saving the planet I thought this live energy map was one of the cooler links i've seen recently.

Shows where different places are getting their energy sourced from in 'real time' .

https://app.electricitymaps.com/map

I believe the only thing that will save the planet is extinction of the human race. That said, I believe that EVs can make things better than they are…which I suppose will only postpone that extinction at most.

[uglymoney]

By that logic we are all going to die soon so why give a fuck about anything. I think it is a spurious argument to say we are fucked by global warming no matter what. We are fucked by everything else also. But we still give a fuck, don't shit in the river, and eat our spinach.

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