I’m not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

[XXX-er]

What? On what fucking planet? All aboard the reading comprehension failboat.

maybe you wana invent assless shorts ?

[Harry]

maybe you wana invent assless shorts ?

Cowboys call them "chinks".

[XXX-er]

Cowboys call them "chinks".

Walter Sobchak: What the fuck are you talking about? The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude! I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you do not... Also, Dude, "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American," please.

[old goat]

Finished that history book and duderino had some interesting suggestions. Transcribed with some abbreviation towards the end. It touches on religion so I'll spam this thread.

Lessons of History / Plan going forward from Will Durant

Suggestions...for the betterment of American life

1. Make parenting a privilege and not a right. No one has the right to bring a child into the community without having passed a test of physical and mental fitness to breed.

This one was big with the eugenics movement of the first half of the 20th Century (forced sterilizations) and with Hitler of course--who got a lot of his ideas from the American eugenicists. But Durant published that in 1968--you'd think an historian would be more aware of the fraught history and disturbing implications of the idea.

[KQ]

Evangelical Pastor: Democrats Have Created An ‘Imaginary God’

[DBdude]

Finished that history book and duderino had some interesting suggestions. Transcribed with some abbreviation towards the end. It touches on religion so I'll spam this thread.

Lessons of History / Plan going forward from Will Durant

Suggestions...for the betterment of American life

1. Make parenting a privilege and not a right. No one has the right to bring a child into the community without having passed a test of physical and mental fitness to breed.

2. To parents that have passed such tests the government should offer an annuity or tax exemption for the first 18 years of the first and second child born to them in lawful marriage. But not for any additional children. Contraceptive information and devices should be made available to all married persons at minimum cost.

3. The unity of the family and authority of the parents should be strengthened by making the parents legally responsible for their dependent children of minor age who are living with them by making the earnings of such children subject to parental control.

4. Education should be provided to fit every high school graduate for profitable employment in a technological economy. But education in the humanities, literature, philosophy and the arts should be equally stressed for the understanding of values and ends and the intelligent use of leisure. Courses in anatomy physiology and anatomy should be required in all years of schooling. Establishment of US broadcasting company financed by the government but controlled by the universities.

5. Every religious institution to preach morality rather than theology and to welcome into its fellowship every person that accepts the golden rule and ten commandments as the ideal which he strives to grow towards.

6. Education in morality, that is the conscientious cooperation of the individual with the group, should be given in every week of schooling from kindergarten to university. Promiscuity, vices to be used as lessons on why. Prisons replaced by separate state farms that actually reform inmates. Temp insanity no longer used as a defense for crime.

7. Every encouragement given to the organization of labor. NLRB reduce and end discrimination among members. Bureau of research promoted within government as a prominent institution.

8. Youth to be taught to be suspicious of revolution as a monster that consumes both its fathers and children. Less alluring but less costly are those processes of reform by persistent propaganda and gradual implementation which have achieved so many beneficent changes in our life in this century. Persons under 30 should never trust the economic, political, moral ideas of persons under 30.

9. A supervised election b/t South and North Vietnam to be held and recognized by USA. Add China to UN.

10. Physicians should not extend the lives of vegetables.

Somebody has read too much Robert heinlein


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[wooley12]

Evangelical Pastor: Democrats Have Created An ‘Imaginary God’

Being an $ucce$$ful Evangelical Protestant is like being a top preforming burger franchisee IMO. Pick your brand and create an effective marketing/business plan. Baptist (McDonalds), Methodist(Burger King) or Anglicans(Arby's), you can get rich in any if your "good".

But I'm a member of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Catholic Church so I might be biased.

[KQ]

But I'm a member of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Catholic Church so I might be biased. [emoji2]

The Nicene creed!

Took a non-Catholic to mass with me once and when it came time to recite the creed he freaked out that the entire cathedral was saying it and esp. that I was reciting it by rote. He was astonished and asked how I knew it all without referencing a text.

I just shrugged and said I couldn't remember not knowing it having been a cradle Catholic.

I think it is burned into my brain and branded on my soul.

[Peruvian]

But I'm a member of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Catholic Church so I might be biased.

Or wrong.

Just imagine if KQ was a cradle Hindu or Sikh or Wiccan. She would know another creed, by rote, based on another God or gods.

The religious are just as atheist abut gods that they don’t believe in as I am about all of the gods folks decide to accept as the “one true god”.

[m2711c]

now that’s just blasphemy right there, buddy...

[wooley12]

My first memory of being in a church was painful. Probably about 3 yo and had my fingers in a crack in the pew and was stuck there when the congregation stood up. These days if friends ask why I don't do all the ceremonies I tell them that I was a practicing Catholic for 50 years and I I've got it down. Grew up surrounded by older adult European immigrant RC's who knew which saint to pray to if you lost your glasses and needed a miracle. My aunt was a nun.

[wooley12]

Or wrong.

Just imagine if KQ was a cradle Hindu or Sikh or Wiccan. She would know another creed, by rote, based on another God or gods.

The religious are just as atheist abut gods that they don’t believe in as I am about all of the gods folks decide to accept as the “one true god”.

Whatever. I posted our code words. It's like a secret gang sign to show what team you are on to other members of the team. If you don't get it that's good. It's working, thanks.

[XXX-er]

The Nicene creed!

Took a non-Catholic to mass with me once and when it came time to recite the creed he freaked out that the entire cathedral was saying it and esp. that I was reciting it by rote. He was astonished and asked how I knew it all without referencing a text.

I just shrugged and said I couldn't remember not knowing it having been a cradle Catholic.

I think it is burned into my brain and branded on my soul.

I went to a couple of services with an old GF, she said try and follow along but don't get up to recieve communion, i could see the ceremony of the catholic church being burned into the psyche and i think catholics dig it

they were fulll on Catholics, the mom washed the alter linens, the dad was an usher and either skied with the priest or played golf on the monday after depending on the seasons and the priest would come over for scotch after midnight mass,

whenever something fucked up they would yell "god is punishing me ! "

[Peruvian]

Whatever. I posted our code words. It's like a secret gang sign to show what team you are on to other members of the team. If you don't get it that's good. It's working, thanks.

You’re right. It IS like a gang - trying to recruit more members, hold and gain turf, be involved in various crimes like assault & extortion, and promising security while using the membership for nefarious purpose.

[old goat]

The religious are just as atheist abut gods that they don’t believe in as I am about all of the gods folks decide to accept as the “one true god”.

I like that.

Stop moaning about how rough it is to be Catholic. We had to go to synagogue on Saturday from 7-1, and that was Conservative, not Orthodox. At least I didn't have to come back for the afternoon and evening services. But on Rosh Hashonah and Yom Kippur shul was basically all day, on an empty stomach on Yom Kippur and you had to stand for about 2 hours at one point. OTOH the singing in a traditional Jewish service is beautiful IMO, especially since it's in Hebrew and Aramaic so you don't have to listen to the ridiculous words. I think my Jewish upbringing is the reason I particularly like rock songs in a minor key and I solo much better in minor and minor blues than in major.

[AK47bp]

But can we tolerate the intolerant?


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[wooley12]

I like that.

Stop moaning about how rough it is to be Catholic. We had to go to synagogue on Saturday from 7-1, and that was Conservative, not Orthodox. At least I didn't have to come back for the afternoon and evening services. But on Rosh Hashonah and Yom Kippur shul was basically all day, on an empty stomach on Yom Kippur and you had to stand for about 2 hours at one point. OTOH the singing in a traditional Jewish service is beautiful IMO, especially since it's in Hebrew and Aramaic so you don't have to listen to the ridiculous words. I think my Jewish upbringing is the reason I particularly like rock songs in a minor key and I solo much better in minor and minor blues than in major.

A priest saying the mass in anything other than Latin is fairly new so I hear ya. Easier to day dream and look at the ladies. If you did a stint in Catholic schools pre 70's we are tight with the our subset like vets. A band of brothers.

[KQ]

A priest saying the mass in anything other than Latin is fairly new so I hear ya. Easier to day dream and look at the ladies. If you did a stint in Catholic schools pre 70's we are tight with the our subset like vets. A band of brothers.

That's why I always liked going to the service in a cathedral. If I got bored I could always stare at the architecture or stained glass.

Old Goat - evensong at an Episcopal or Anglican church is beautiful and don't get me started on monks chanting. Love that! Stayed at a monastery in Peru once. The sounds of the monks chants echoing through the buildings/grounds was amazing.

[wooley12]

No swallowing the toothpaste. Incense on an empty stomach before breakfast made me gag.

[old goat]

A priest saying the mass in anything other than Latin is fairly new so I hear ya. Easier to day dream and look at the ladies. If you did a stint in Catholic schools pre 70's we are tight with the our subset like vets. A band of brothers.

Religion makes a lot more sense in a language you don't understand

That's why I always liked going to the service in a cathedral. If I got bored I could always stare at the architecture or stained glass.

Old Goat - evensong at an Episcopal or Anglican church is beautiful and don't get me started on monks chanting. Love that! Stayed at a monastery in Peru once. The sounds of the monks chants echoing through the buildings/grounds was amazing.

We listened to Evensong sung by monks in an 11th century abbey church in rural France, Catholic of course--wish I could remember exactly where. Beautiful to be sure.
I was walking past an Orthodox church on Santorini and heard a priest chanting. The melody was EXACTLY the same as they used to read the Torah in my synagogue. That should tell you how old that melody must be. A lot older than the music people are talking about in the boomer thread I think.

[XXX-er]

Last time i went full catholic was the Cathedral in Santiago de Compastela with that great big fucking swingigng incense burner the size of a barbecue my GF had passed a kidney stone the day before, then it had rained/stormed BIG time, pilgrims were limping down the aisle after the 800km walk, people crying and one guy was limping so bad he had to be helped down the aisle ... pretty epic

[pureantigravity]

The trailer is interesting - good cunning comedic humor.
I'd bet Jesus could chill to this one with some popcorn and a light beer.
It ISN'T Whisky worthy TV ... but def looks like a great post dinner after work weekday relax film.
The Christians need to relax a bit, watch the Last Temptation of Christ,
and then work their way to something like Good Omens.
I offer up my 2 cents. What amount you render to Cesar is up to you!

[wooley12]

The way I heard it was "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's........" I didn't hear Him say to give Caesar what he asks for. So some wiggle room.

[XXX-er]

Huh

try to imagine the coma

[pureantigravity]

The way I heard it was "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's........" I didn't hear Him say to give Caesar what he asks for. So some wiggle room.

Granted. I needed to make my post sound biblical. Although, I used it improperly.
A ponderous thought you have - Then what IS Caesar's?