Moment Skis Discussion

[Adrgha]

You guys on the 108 tours; mounted on recommended? Cheers


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Yep.

[macon]

Weighing the 184 WCT108 came up with 1706g and 1765g. Was hoping both would be closer to 1660 but no biggie




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[SkiersLeft]

Tour 174 w/ ATK crest 10s.


Normal 108 in 190 w/ ATK r12s. Coming in at about 2510 per ski.

For both ski sets the weight between the pairs is almost identical. Perhaps Melee needs to tell the trees to grow more symmetrically so that everything always weighs the same without any natural variation. [emoji12]



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[macon]

Obviously I'm aware that it's not gonna be the same, was just sharing how mine came out

[Fritz]

I’ll throw mine on the scale when I get home: WCT108 + mtn. Haven’t been on them yet but really like what you guys are saying about them. Absolutely love my 190 bibby for resort so thinking the wct108 will be the perf BC rig.


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[Jongle]

I’ve now had a few days on the 184 Wildcat 108s and am tentatively fucking stoked on them. (Caveat: so far I’ve only skied them on the pathetically limited terrain that’s opened at Whistler). For reference I’m about 5’8, 165lbs.


I instantly clicked with these skis. They are loose and easy to throw around, but feel very solid on edge for their weight and generate a nice bit of pop/rebound out of turns. I mostly skied the 181cm QST 106 inbounds last season, and compared to those the WC108s feel stronger on edge while also being easier to slarve around. The QSTs initiate turns more readily and are easier to bend into different shapes, while the WC108s need to be tipped over further to engage the sidecut and pull you into the turn. In that respect they remind me a bit of 4FRNT Hojis (I’ve only skied the 2016 edition), but the WC108s generate much more pop and energy than the Hojis, while being almost as loose.


As another reference point, I demoed the Rustler 10 (180) for a couple of days last season. It carves a variety of turn shapes more readily than the WC108, and the tips and tails feel softer/easier to pop off of, but the R10 is also much hookier and gets bounced around more in shitty snow than the WC108.


Looking forward to getting these into some more interesting terrain once the alpine opens up.

[beachbumnc]

Fed Ex man delivered the goods. New Wildcats arrived. Put them on the scale 2007g each. (184s)
Look Pivot 12. Finish, base, build appears faultless. Counting down the days now. I fly for my turns so waiting is the hard part. Moment rocks. Sidewall says "Skiing ruined my life" but I think it saved mine.

[ffmedic84]

Where has everyone been mounting the wildcat 108?


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[BlueBison]

Where has everyone been mounting the wildcat 108?


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On the line. Moments rec line is spot on from my experience.

[roverdoc]

We should sticky a post that simply says on the line...with that being said i mounted my tours +1 of the rec line and really like them there.

[TahoeJ]

Where has everyone been mounting the wildcat 108?

On the line. I'm generally a directional skier and it feels perfect there.

After several days I like my WC 108's so much that I just pulled the trigger on the tour version. Looking forward to having the consistency of skiing the same shape (albeit on a diet) in the backcountry as the resort.

(roverdoc, I didn't realize you got the 108 tours? I guess we'll be twins on the skin track this season)

[roverdoc]

Still rocking the full width tour Bibbys era year before went to the wildcat. love them as my resort set up. Rocking the meridian tours for the bc mounted on the line.

[DumbIdeasOnly]

+1 for on the line with WC 108 Tours. They didn't suck in any condition I was able to locate last year.

[macon]

We should sticky a post that simply says on the line...

This.
Moment has their skis dialed. I've mounted all of mine on the recommended line and it's money.

[phatty]

I know this question of "which 108 ski" is on a lot of minds and I've gone back and read through most of the thread, but hoping more people have now had time on this year's skis.

Background - PNW skier, 6'2",190 advanced/expert (whatever that means). Like to go fast when given the opportunity to open it up, but also spend a lot of time in the trees. Don't spend a lot of time on groomers but love to ski them fast when given the chance. Not a hucker/spinny/flippy guy, but like taking jumps.

Favorite skis - 190 QLab: current daily driver. Crushes everything and I haven't found a speed limit. Reasonably maneuverable, love the stiff tail. Float is fine since I bring out my BGs if it starts stacking up. This is my one ski quiver when I travel.
2013 Bent Chetler (cartoon sun version): such a fun ski. Makes you want to jump off everything. Handles lighter pow amazing, but I eventually moved to the BG because it handles PNW pow better. Still break it out when I head to Utah and love it.

I'm looking at Commander 108 or Wildcat 108 as a replacement for the QLab as my daily driver. I picked up some Enforcer 110s on the crazy deal, but the more I read about it, I'm not sure it will work for me and I've wanted to try Moment for a long time.

The Wildcat 108 sounds like it could be the perfect love child of my 2 favorite skis, but the Commander sounds like it has more of the chargeability of the QLab but gives up playfulness. Leaning towards the Wildcat as I want more playfulness than the QLab offers, but worried about the top end performance. Am I going to freak out trying to hit 50+ mph on Harmony Piste on the way back to the chair?

Sorry for the long post, but I haven't bought new in plastic skis in 20 years and choosing wrong with new is a few hundred $ mistake unlike with used skis.

Edit - seconds after I posted this, the Blister Wildcat 108 review showed up in my email. Now I have more to read.

[macon]

Was about to reply that you'd probably love the Wildcat 108 and it will have plenty of crud busting capability. Commander 108 will be chargier and less of course.

But yeah, that blister review just posted.... and what a shot!

[SkiersLeft]

Favorite skis - 190 QLab: current daily driver. Crushes everything and I haven't found a speed limit. Reasonably maneuverable, love the stiff tail. Float is fine since I bring out my BGs if it starts stacking up. This is my one ski quiver when I travel.
2013 Bent Chetler (cartoon sun version): such a fun ski. Makes you want to jump off everything. Handles lighter pow amazing, but I eventually moved to the BG because it handles PNW pow better. Still break it out when I head to Utah and love it.

I'm looking at Commander 108 or Wildcat 108 as a replacement for the QLab as my daily driver. I picked up some Enforcer 110s on the crazy deal, but the more I read about it, I'm not sure it will work for me and I've wanted to try Moment for a long time.

The Wildcat 108 sounds like it could be the perfect love child of my 2 favorite skis, but the Commander sounds like it has more of the chargeability of the QLab but gives up playfulness. Leaning towards the Wildcat as I want more playfulness than the QLab offers, but worried about the top end performance. Am I going to freak out trying to hit 50+ mph on Harmony Piste on the way back to the chair?

Do you want a ski with tail rocker that is easier to pivot and floats better or do you want a damp directional charger? The top end performance in terms of dampness is higher on the commander, but you are not giving up much going with the WC108. Both great skis, both are great on piste for their width regardless of speed. If that is the deciding factor... but if skiing tight trees in heavier snow I would prefer the WC108 simply for the tail. Less work, more fun. Best travel ski, one ski quiver, touring, resort, whatever conditions may be ski.

Or get both. Commander 108 mounted at -6 is relatively quick, still more work in tight spots, but is damper, weighs more and has metal. Has less of that traditional “Moment” feel, reminds me of that old Völkl feel but with a Reno twist, is great but different.

Never skied the enforcer 110.


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[phatty]

Do you want a ski with tail rocker that is easier to pivot and floats better or do you want a damp directional charger?

Lots of good info there. This initial question is part of the issue as I've never had a "daily driver" type ski with tail rocker. One of the things I love about the QLab is the ability to step hard on the gas with the flat, stiff tail. Sound like I'll still get that "gas pedal" out of the WC108 though not as much as the Commander. That's a tradeoff I think I'd be willing to make for the other gains.

[Jongle]

I know this question of "which 108 ski" is on a lot of minds and I've gone back and read through most of the thread, but hoping more people have now had time on this year's skis.

Background - PNW skier, 6'2",190 advanced/expert (whatever that means). Like to go fast when given the opportunity to open it up, but also spend a lot of time in the trees. Don't spend a lot of time on groomers but love to ski them fast when given the chance. Not a hucker/spinny/flippy guy, but like taking jumps.

Favorite skis - 190 QLab: current daily driver. Crushes everything and I haven't found a speed limit. Reasonably maneuverable, love the stiff tail. Float is fine since I bring out my BGs if it starts stacking up. This is my one ski quiver when I travel.
2013 Bent Chetler (cartoon sun version): such a fun ski. Makes you want to jump off everything. Handles lighter pow amazing, but I eventually moved to the BG because it handles PNW pow better. Still break it out when I head to Utah and love it.

I'm looking at Commander 108 or Wildcat 108 as a replacement for the QLab as my daily driver. I picked up some Enforcer 110s on the crazy deal, but the more I read about it, I'm not sure it will work for me and I've wanted to try Moment for a long time.

The Wildcat 108 sounds like it could be the perfect love child of my 2 favorite skis, but the Commander sounds like it has more of the chargeability of the QLab but gives up playfulness. Leaning towards the Wildcat as I want more playfulness than the QLab offers, but worried about the top end performance. Am I going to freak out trying to hit 50+ mph on Harmony Piste on the way back to the chair?

Sorry for the long post, but I haven't bought new in plastic skis in 20 years and choosing wrong with new is a few hundred $ mistake unlike with used skis.

Edit - seconds after I posted this, the Blister Wildcat 108 review showed up in my email. Now I have more to read.

I've got a few days in at Whistler on the WC108s. Based on my experience so far, you won't have an issue hitting 75km/h+ on Harmony Piste. In fact I'm looking forward to doing exactly that once it opens.

They seem to have very good stability for quite a light, rockered ski.

[toast2266]

Just to add to that discussion, I feel like the tail rocker on the wc108 adds a LOT to the ski's maneuverability in tight places and the ease of smearing on a dime, but it gives up surprisingly little in terms of stability. No, it won't finish a turn like a dedicated on piste carver, but it doesn't wheelie out of things, and when you need to pry yourself out of the backseat it's there for you.

And yeah, while it's not a damp directional charger, I wouldn't hesitate to go as fast as possible on anything that's smooth-ish. It gives up some ground in heavy chop, but it's not an unstable ski.

[SupreChicken]

Non-sequitor - the bibby/wildcat tour is dialed AF. 190 w/tectons and zero g boots will be my main backcountry (not sidecountry/slack country - that’s what shifts are for) ride for the forseeable future. Same things you typically read around here apply. Fantastic on firm snow (esp considering the 116mm waist), light on the way up, punches above its weight in shite snow, camber is nice for the skin track, you can play or ski fast (not sure i would quite call it charging) and it’s easy and nimble to throw around. Pick your turn shape, porpoise or slash, and the bases are clearly trustworthy when skiing over/through pow without any base beneath it. Season is dragging ass getting here.

[TahoeJ]

Just to add to that discussion, I feel like the tail rocker on the wc108 adds a LOT to the ski's maneuverability in tight places and the ease of smearing on a dime, but it gives up surprisingly little in terms of stability. No, it won't finish a turn like a dedicated on piste carver, but it doesn't wheelie out of things, and when you need to pry yourself out of the backseat it's there for you.

And yeah, while it's not a damp directional charger, I wouldn't hesitate to go as fast as possible on anything that's smooth-ish. It gives up some ground in heavy chop, but it's not an unstable ski.

Agree with all of this. The Blister review was pretty spot on as well.

According to the tracking app I hit 51 mph at Mammoth and don't recall any particularly scary moments. With all of that rocker they certainly aren't locked in on groomers, but they still feel pretty stable all things considered.

[yellofin]

Agree with all of this. The Blister review was pretty spot on as well.

According to the tracking app I hit 51 mph at Mammoth and don't recall any particularly scary moments. With all of that rocker they certainly aren't locked in on groomers, but they still feel pretty stable all things considered.

I was at Andermat last season. I bought my 108 tour’s with Tectons it’s a great travel ski such a light weight to carry on your shoulder and on and off trains. Skiing steep and very long groomers at faster than my normal east coast speed they were so stable and linked stable turns and slarved on demand just like my Bibby. I did get some tip flap at the fastest speed but this is the tour layup.
4 days at Alta last April I bought both pairs. I timed my trip perfect and skied deep untouched the Bibby is the perfect ski for this but I also used my tours everyday as well and in the deep chop as long as you kept a strong stance and core they were great and so lite and easy on your legs on the chair.
I’m 160 pounds so maybe someone heavier might have a different experience.

[XavierD]

Anyone chop the twin off of a WildCat Tour yet?

[phatty]

Anyone ski both WC108 and Enforcer 110 that can compare?