Moment Skis Discussion

[Eastside]

Looking for some advice. Live in Reno and have been demoing skis from Moment. Mostly ski Palisades or go touring and I already have Voile Hypervectors with ATKs. Planning on adding 2 skis to the collection. One Powder (110+), and a daily for the resort.

6', 160. Advanced. will rip groomers with the GF, but like to find the soft snow off-piste in the bowls, chutes, and trees. suck at bumps, will hit <5' drops.

Demos:
Rustler 10 - hated, sluggish, dead ride
Bent 100 - actually lots of fun, maybe a little soft, but bumps were enjoyable

DW104 - bit of a learning curve for the first few runs - but was at alpine with no new snow...
Commander 92 - awesome. super fun with no new snow
Commander 102 - still pretty good on groomers, took me for a ride in some bumps.

Looking for some suggestions. I really liked the Commander 92. I could see it being great for 90% of days, although its way narrower than this "consensus" of ~105 for a daily west coast ski. Any experience with how it handles <12" of fresh? Maybe pair it with a WC/DW tour?

Man, I sure would not want a 92 underfoot to be my only ski for the Tahoe area. I have never been on that 92 commander but I imagine it is a fucking rocket.

[SnowMachine]

I’m team 666, DW112 is my DD. Really haven’t found any conditions I can’t ski it in. On my second pair and castified them, so I truly can take them everywhere.

As I said before in here, I think I went too short on my DW104s (184). I would like to try the 104s in a 190 as that what my DWs are. Also want to try the Meridians.

Deathwish 104 skis can absolutely rail turns on the piste. I still prefer the DW112 overall. Shocker, I know. Have not been on Meridians.

Curious what size you guys are. I ordered up some Pivot's to go with a DW104. I'm 6' 160 and usually ski mid 180's for DD's, but I'm worried that the 184's might be short.

666, are you on 184DW's or 190? I was kinda thinking I'd go short with the 104 and step to the 190 DW next year if I like the 104.

I ski the 182 102 Commanders and love them, but I'm looking for a work ski for days with the groms when I'm starting and stopping a lot more than crushing.

[SnowMachine]

Man, I sure would not want a 92 underfoot to be my only ski for the Tahoe area. I have never been on that 92 commander but I imagine it is a fucking rocket.

I couldnt see dailying the 92, either. The 102 could quiver kill if you can get on with it. Those wide tips always come back up and they rail that refrozen Tahoe goo before it softens back up. It's a damned good ski when you're in that kind of mood. I don't love it in refrozen moguls, but who likes those, anyway?

[MNazWIcoWA]

Curious what size you guys are. I ordered up some Pivot's to go with a DW104. I'm 6' 160 and usually ski mid 180's for DD's, but I'm worried that the 184's might be short.

666, are you on 184DW's or 190? I was kinda thinking I'd go short with the 104 and step to the 190 DW next year if I like the 104.

I ski the 182 102 Commanders and love them, but I'm looking for a work ski for days with the groms when I'm starting and stopping a lot more than crushing.

i couldn’t imagine being on the 184 DW 104 at your height. I am 5’9” 171 advanced and ski the 184. If I were at a larger ski area and didn’t do spins and side hits as much I’d even consider the 190.

[DoubleBogey]

I ski the 182 102 Commanders and love them, but I'm looking for a work ski for days with the groms when I'm starting and stopping a lot more than crushing.

Have you ever looked at the BC Mirus Cor? Love that ski around kids

[SnowMachine]

Have you ever looked at the BC Mirus Cor? Love that ski around kids

I haven't. My impression of that ski is that it's a tight radius carver, no?

The kids I ski with are teens or tweens. They love skiing you up into places you shouldn't be. Icy chutes over exposure. Drops over scraped off rocks. Narrow spots with mandatory hop or kick turns.

I spend my days making sure they don't kill themselves. It's a lot of starting and stopping and scoping lines and drops for them. The Commanders are really great for the days we're moving faster, but for some of the slower days I'd like to have a ski that I don't even think about on my feet. That can go anywhere intuitively.

Originally, I was thinking Devastator or Meridian (reverse skis), but I'm kinda thinking the DW might be the better performer on firmer conditions. I started the year with 190 Praxis Mindsticks in this spot, but it was too much ski. I don't want to make the same mistake. I'm hesitant to do another 190 ski, but realize that the DW is probably the easier ski.

[DoubleBogey]

Ok, I was thinking 7 year olds haha. The Mirus Cor is great at all speeds except really fast. Super turny, yes, but an 87mm waist. 13m radius, centerish mount, minimal camber, tons of energy, just a really fun and easy ski. It’s the ski that got me thinking about full rocker.

[DoubleBogey]

[SnowMachine]

Ok, I was thinking 7 year olds haha. The Mirus Cor is great at all speeds except really fast. Super turny, yes, but an 87mm waist. 13m radius, centerish mount, minimal camber, tons of energy, just a really fun and easy ski. It’s the ski that got me thinking about full rocker.

Definitely looks like a fun ski for the right application.

[SnowMachine]

i couldn’t imagine being on the 184 DW 104 at your height. I am 5’9” 171 advanced and ski the 184. If I were at a larger ski area and didn’t do spins and side hits as much I’d even consider the 190.

If one were to believe Moments sizing there isn't any application that puts me on the 190. I know, I know.... I'll probably stop by the factory this week and talk to them. I have some P15's en-route. Once they show....

[snowseeker777]

Long-time Moment fanboy: Bibby, Deathwish, Deathwish Tour, Bibby Tour, PBJ, Wildcat 108, Commander 98, WCT 108, Chipotle Banana. That list is sort of embarrassing, but hey, I like me some skis made less than 45 minutes from home with amazing CS. Thanks Moment.

Recently picked up some well-used 187 Meridians from a guy in the neighborhood. Finally got them out Saturday afternoon for a rip. Conditions were wintry chalk on N-faces, and corn / soft spring snow on S-faces, and mixed conditions on E-faces.

Every couple years, I get on a ski that blows my mind. The Meridian was it. So surfy and yet powerful, I could easily see using this at the resort basically any day that has a touch of soft in the snow.

I vastly preferred it over the Wildcat 108 and Deathwish with no real doubt it. The only Moment ski I've liked more -- on my first day -- were my all-time favorite ski ever, the 190 Bibby from 12/13.

Incredible ski - I wish more people could experience it because it is such a revelation in how different skis can feel (loose, surfy, playful) and yet still rail the shit out of groomers and blast through mixed crud. I cannot wait to use them on a pow / storm day.

I'm still not completely sold on my CBs (after 4 or 5 pow days) , but I am 100% immediately sold on the Meridians. It's a special ski.

This is inspiring as I too having an unnecessarily large Moment quiver yet am still very Meridian curious.

[factive]

Shopping for new mid fat, something around a 110 +/- waist. Strongly considering one of the following Moments:

Countach 110
Meridian 107
Wildcat 108

About me:
6'3', 190 lbs
Early 40s
Location: BCC/LCC


Have Line BO 96s 184cm for cruising with my lil' groms and Atomic BC 120s 192cm for deep pow days (which I'll be looking to replace next as I don't really love them). This is basically an everything in between ski.

I ski pretty hard and fast - going from top to bottom as quickly and in as few turns as possible - yet still like to slash, surf, and smear features that present themselves, although the older I get, the less I find myself doing that. Less important, but still drop little cliffs, hit the occasional BC booter, ski trees and tight chutes. I used to prefer a surfy ski first that could also charge. Now looking to flip that to a charger ski that can still be playful.

Feedback on the skis listed above and which you think would be the best fit?

Also considering: ON3P WM 108, Rossi SF 110, Line BO 114, K2 Reckoner 112.

[hick]

^^ you forgot one of the best, 190 Deathwish.


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[factive]

I'd ruled that one out thinking it's more of a surfy ski first, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[DoubleBogey]

I only have experience on the 194 Countach. I’m 6’5” 200. I love the ski overall, it’s great on groomers and super damp. Thought it was pretty decent in 6-12” powder but was really awesome in open bowls, wind blown powder. It felt a little sluggish in tighter trees, the 188 would probably have been better there. Not great at all in bumps.

[BeHuWe]

Shopping for new mid fat, something around a 110 +/- waist. Strongly considering one of the following Moments:

Countach 110
Meridian 107
Wildcat 108

About me:
6'3', 190 lbs
Early 40s
Location: BCC/LCC


Have Line BO 96s 184cm for cruising with my lil' groms and Atomic BC 120s 192cm for deep pow days (which I'll be looking to replace next as I don't really love them). This is basically an everything in between ski.

I ski pretty hard and fast - going from top to bottom as quickly and in as few turns as possible - yet still like to slash, surf, and smear features that present themselves, although the older I get, the less I find myself doing that. Less important, but still drop little cliffs, hit the occasional BC booter, ski trees and tight chutes. I used to prefer a surfy ski first that could also charge. Now looking to flip that to a charger ski that can still be playful.

Feedback on the skis listed above and which you think would be the best fit?

Also considering: ON3P WM 108, Rossi SF 110, Line BO 114, K2 Reckoner 112.

If you can demo skis, you probably want to back to back the countach and wc108 to fit that spot in the quiver and also just buy a meridian.

The Meridian is such a good ski, but it does need a friend when it’s firm out. When conditions allow you can charge pretty hard on the meridian and it’s just stupid easy to ski while slashing and surfing around.

I DD’ed the meridian most days this season. If it’s at all soft the meridian can handle it, I’d say at about 8-12” of fresh is its limit. Post storm days when it’s still soft the meridian is so much fun all over the hill. I’m out in Tahoe



For spring I usually bring the meridian and either a commander 108/jeff 110 with me for when it’s firm in the morning traditional camber helps, but once it’s softened up the meridian is just stupid fun.



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[Speedfreak]

I ski pretty hard and fast - going from top to bottom as quickly and in as few turns as possible - yet still like to slash, surf, and smear features that present themselves, although the older I get, the less I find myself doing that. Less important, but still drop little cliffs, hit the occasional BC booter, ski trees and tight chutes. I used to prefer a surfy ski first that could also charge. Now looking to flip that to a charger ski that can still be playful.

Feedback on the skis listed above and which you think would be the best fit?

I'm with Hick. 190 DW hits the mark on all of the above. Definitely worth a look.

[hick]

I'd ruled that one out thinking it's more of a surfy ski first, but correct me if I'm wrong.

That depends on whether you have it flat of on edge, Fucking things will dig trenches if that's what you want. Can't say enough good about triple camber, it's weird and it just works. That's what is so crazy about the DW, it can slarve and carve.

[MNazWIcoWA]

That depends on whether you have it flat of on edge, Fucking things will dig trenches if that's what you want. Can't say enough good about triple camber, it's weird and it just works. That's what is so crazy about the DW, it can slarve and carve.

I’m a triple camber convert after getting on the DW 104. I’ll be getting the full DW as well. It just works. The range of conditions it excels in is really incredible.

[SnowMachine]

Shopping for new mid fat, something around a 110 +/- waist. Strongly considering one of the following Moments:

Countach 110
Meridian 107
Wildcat 108

About me:
6'3', 190 lbs
Early 40s
Location: BCC/LCC


Have Line BO 96s 184cm for cruising with my lil' groms and Atomic BC 120s 192cm for deep pow days (which I'll be looking to replace next as I don't really love them). This is basically an everything in between ski.

I ski pretty hard and fast - going from top to bottom as quickly and in as few turns as possible - yet still like to slash, surf, and smear features that present themselves, although the older I get, the less I find myself doing that. Less important, but still drop little cliffs, hit the occasional BC booter, ski trees and tight chutes. I used to prefer a surfy ski first that could also charge. Now looking to flip that to a charger ski that can still be playful.

Feedback on the skis listed above and which you think would be the best fit?

Also considering: ON3P WM 108, Rossi SF 110, Line BO 114, K2 Reckoner 112.

The BO114 is a freakin' bad ass ski. It's heavy and damp, but still turns and slashes. It'll monster truck most anything in it's path. That said, the build quality is questionable. I paid $350 for mine, so I'm not that worried about it, but it's a bummer.

I had the BC120. Totally different ski. Night and day, really. The BC is a great shape, but so light in comparison.

I'd really like to ski the Wildcat. I feel like it could be a good blend. Maybe a bit more maneuverable than the BO114 with a bit more ass than the BC120.

Want another wrench in the mix? Check out the J Friend in 189.

[TeleBeaver]

Shopping for new mid fat, something around a 110 +/- waist. Strongly considering one of the following Moments:

Countach 110
Meridian 107
Wildcat 108

About me:
6'3', 190 lbs
Early 40s
Location: BCC/LCC


Have Line BO 96s 184cm for cruising with my lil' groms and Atomic BC 120s 192cm for deep pow days (which I'll be looking to replace next as I don't really love them). This is basically an everything in between ski.

I ski pretty hard and fast - going from top to bottom as quickly and in as few turns as possible - yet still like to slash, surf, and smear features that present themselves, although the older I get, the less I find myself doing that. Less important, but still drop little cliffs, hit the occasional BC booter, ski trees and tight chutes. I used to prefer a surfy ski first that could also charge. Now looking to flip that to a charger ski that can still be playful.

Feedback on the skis listed above and which you think would be the best fit?

Also considering: ON3P WM 108, Rossi SF 110, Line BO 114, K2 Reckoner 112.

I have extensive time in LCC on the PB&J, DW, commander 98 and now about a dozen days on the new Countach.

The Countach is THE ski for what you're talking about. Much better float in untracked deep stuff than the DW, and carves groomers with more energy than any of the others. It can charge much harder than the DW, but the tails still release easily if you want to slash and setup a minigolf hit. Better landing gear than the DW as well imo. Very confidence inspiring in the air. The DW is better when the snow is fresh but not deep, and you are linking together tight bump/tree lines. Think westward ho a day after the storm. The CT is better for making big turns on more open faces, stomping airs and for getting the rope drop on backside. If you are looking for charge first then surf: CT. If you want surf first, then charge: DW. Both skis do it all super well, just different shades of excellence.

[MNazWIcoWA]

Has anyone been on both the Sierra Tour and the DW Tour 104? Wondering how similar they are other than the stated weight?

[factive]

The DW is better when the snow is fresh but not deep, and you are linking together tight bump/tree lines. Think westward ho a day after the storm. The CT is better for making big turns on more open faces, stomping airs and for getting the rope drop on backside.

This is great feedback, thanks. Just to be clear- are we talking top 2/3s of something like Tallboy or bottom 1/3 . I generally try to avoid bump lines like the plague, or just blast through them. This definitely has me leaning more CT and swapping out the WC for DW in terms of consideration. Think I need to try and connect with the rep at this point and demo.

[hick]

FYI- Chalet in Bozeman has all lengths of Wildcats for $609. A few other shorter lengths in WC 108, 101, and CT ($639). If they had a CT in 188, I would have had to try it.


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[SnowMachine]

The Commander 102 has me reconsidering my life since I'm now daily driving them and haven't found a weakness even into 10+ inches of fresh.

I have some new 95 brake Pivots that need a home. Still considering DW104 or WC101 as a replacement for my park skis that are 1 dimensional (I hate mid day ski swaps).

Damn the Commanders are good. Poppy and bombproof. I felt like a super hero yesterday.