Moment Skis Discussion

[Self Jupiter]

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[BC.]

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I finally got a chance to take my shop's 182cm Commander 98 demos out these past few days, and I am super stoked with what they've done to the ski for the 20/21 season. I skied the previous versions of both the C98 and C108, and never really clicked with the shape, but the new ones felt easy, intuitive and confidence inspiring from my first turns onward. At 6'0" & 160lbs, I thought the 182cms to ski a bit short at times, and will be buying the 188s.

First day out was 6-12" of light and dry powder over firm but not rock solid chop. Definitely not conditions this ski is optimized for, but still very enjoyable. The front end has a fairly deep rocker line with a good amount of splay and taper, and with the -10 mount ,while tip dive was possible, it was easily avoidable. I spent most of the day lapping soft snow in very tight trees, and was impressed with their float, and ability to cut loose and skid and drift in deeper snow, especially given their nearly flat tail.

Today, I got up to the hill several hours into the day. There was virtually no untracked snow left, but things were still soft, and getting a bit bumped out. This seems like the conditions these skis are absolutely ideal for. First run was down a groomer, where they did not disappoint. They're very easy to bend/pivot/skid into tight radius turns, and they only get better as you increase the radius. They don't pull you into a turn or explode you out the end like a true groomer zoomer, but they have plenty of energy to be a lot of fun on ze piste. Edge grip was good enough at the factory 1* bevel that I don't see any reason to run a 2* or 3* unless you're skiing blue ice.

I opened them up to very high speeds a few times, and they were very confident on smooth snow at speed, but did get a bit nervous above 45-50mph when things got roughed up. Not holy shit I'm going to die when I eventually catch an edge nervous, but also nowhere near as unshakable as Monster 98s when going warp speed. They don't freight train through irregularities like the M98s, they launch off them. That said, I expect the 188cms to be a bit more confidence inspiring going fast on chewed up snow, but they also won't be the ski of choice for radar speed gun day either.

Skiing off trail on heavily skied snow, they felt quick, nimble, and strong. Super easy to make quick turns in bumps and crud, fun and well balanced in the air(especially for a ski with a -10 mount), and very predictable. Just plain intuitive. Again, I found their speed limit a few times blasting through crud, but I really think that I just need to be on the next size up since I like to open my skis up, even though I don't always have the skills to back said speed up.

To the point of playfulness, the C98s were easy to whip around in all situations, and felt surprisingly balanced in the air. I ran into a few park rat friends midday and was totally comfortable hitting 20ft+ park jumps. As a matter of fact, the skis had me wanting to jump off anything and everything on the hill, stumps, bumps, wind lips, you name it. They definitely don't feel like they're mounted at -10 when you're in the air, and have that typical progressive Moment jibby feel to them. Similarly, I found them super easy to feather turns into skids, slides, slarves, and never grabby or hooky.

TLDR: I like these skis a lot, and think I'll like them in 188cm even more.

^^^^This...in a much better review than mine...I’m on the 188.

[MegaStoke]

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[BC.]

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Living up to ur surname.....have fun!

[Cars Suck]

Anybody who’s skied the new C98 or C108 also ski the Fischer Ranger 102?

Looking for a new Tahoe no-new-snow / groomer / refrozen junk ski.

Have the Ranger in 177 and it’s a fantastic ski but it was too short and twitchy at 45+ mph and it’s now performing excellent as my skinny touring ski. Only change besides stability is a bit better hard pack and ice performance hence the look at Commanders.

Down to the Ranger 102 in 184 or C98/108 in 182. Thinking +2 mount on either. Have 19/20 184 Wildcat and really loving it.

[jdadour]

Anybody who’s skied the new C98 or C108 also ski the Fischer Ranger 102?

Looking for a new Tahoe no-new-snow / groomer / refrozen junk ski.

Have the Ranger in 177 and it’s a fantastic ski but it was too short and twitchy at 45+ mph and it’s now performing excellent as my skinny touring ski. Only change besides stability is a bit better hard pack and ice performance hence the look at Commanders.

Down to the Ranger 102 in 184 or C98/108 in 182. Thinking +2 mount on either. Have 19/20 184 Wildcat and really loving it.

Why not get the commander in a 188? If you want more stability, the longer length helps as much as anything else. What's your height and weight?

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[BC.]

The C98 in a 188 is not too long....(I’m 6’1 200lbs) and it’s pretty close to perfect.

[Cars Suck]

Yeah, reviews of the 188 sound great but that -10 mount and 188 length is prob gonna be too much ski out front for me.

I’m 5’8, 160lbs and click best with skis in the 180-184 range unless it’s a pure pow ski with lots o rocker

I’ll punch 50+ mph on my 184 WCs and they don’t feel too short so thinking 182 commanders should be good opened up too (unless that tip rocker is deeper than it looks in pics)

[MegaStoke]

Yeah, reviews of the 188 sound great but that -10 mount and 188 length is prob gonna be too much ski out front for me.

I’m 5’8, 160lbs and click best with skis in the 180-184 range unless it’s a pure pow ski with lots o rocker

I’ll punch 50+ mph on my 184 WCs and they don’t feel too short so thinking 182 commanders should be good opened up too (unless that tip rocker is deeper than it looks in pics)

For what it’s worth, I prefer the Wildcat in 184cm, and the C98 in 188. I expected them to ski long for their size, but they definitely do not.
As a data point, the tip rocker contact point on my 188s is ~41cm back from the tip.
Also I’d seriously consider skiing a demo at recommended before mounting at + anything. I can’t imagine wanting to go forward on these skis.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

For what it’s worth, I prefer the Wildcat in 184cm, and the C98 in 188. I expected them to ski long for their size, but they definitely do not.
As a data point, the tip rocker contact point on my 188s is ~41cm back from the tip.
Also I’d seriously consider skiing a demo at recommended before mounting at + anything. I can’t imagine wanting to go forward on these skis.

First day on the 108 188 and I can definitely say it doesn't ski long. It just plain kicks ass. Also Raw pivot is de whey.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I also noticed while skiing that this color scheme is oddly familiar...

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Anybody who’s skied the new C98 or C108 also ski the Fischer Ranger 102?

Looking for a new Tahoe no-new-snow / groomer / refrozen junk ski.

Have the Ranger in 177 and it’s a fantastic ski but it was too short and twitchy at 45+ mph and it’s now performing excellent as my skinny touring ski. Only change besides stability is a bit better hard pack and ice performance hence the look at Commanders.

Down to the Ranger 102 in 184 or C98/108 in 182. Thinking +2 mount on either. Have 19/20 184 Wildcat and really loving it.

I mounted mine on the line, but would be very interested to hear from anyone whose moved them forward.

[joeshek]

Any word to share on when we may see a 2022 lineup preview? Seeing some other brands come out has me getting pumped.

[iriponsnow]

Have been waylaid with other stuff, wrapping CMD98 review shortly.....

[iriponsnow]

...... so the highlight of the afternoon was a brief lift line encounter with a guy on CB’s ( the undisputed TGR unicorn! ). Upon complimenting his boards he simply laughed & said CB’s are loco for the EC.... ~”I just had em put the CB graphics on a WC....”

[BeHuWe]

I mounted mine on the line, but would be very interested to hear from anyone whose moved them forward.

FWIW I mounted my commander 118’s at +2(ok now i know it’s not 98 or 108) and it’s quickly become my do everything ski. It does feel like it skis a little shorter, so I can rip and slash through trees but you can still open it up in a bowl and get the stability they are known for.


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[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

FWIW I mounted my commander 118’s at +2(ok now i know it’s not 98 or 108) and it’s quickly become my do everything ski. It does feel like it skis a little shorter, so I can rip and slash through trees but you can still open it up in a bowl and get the stability they are known for.


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Good to hear. I don't really want to drill another set of holes unless I absolutely felt like it was needed they feel great on the line. But a part of me wonder how the pivot ability would change.

[BeHuWe]

Anybody who’s skied the new C98 or C108 also ski the Fischer Ranger 102?

Looking for a new Tahoe no-new-snow / groomer / refrozen junk ski.

Have the Ranger in 177 and it’s a fantastic ski but it was too short and twitchy at 45+ mph and it’s now performing excellent as my skinny touring ski. Only change besides stability is a bit better hard pack and ice performance hence the look at Commanders.

Down to the Ranger 102 in 184 or C98/108 in 182. Thinking +2 mount on either. Have 19/20 184 Wildcat and really loving it.

I work in a shop and the FR 102 sells like the s7 did after a demo day. It’s a ski that doesn’t really take much user input to make it do what you want. It’s makes average joes feel like a pro that’s why they sell.

IMO every ski that functions that way has a serious limiting factor when you have technique and you can quickly find its limit. From what you described as the void in your quiver I’d go 98/108 and keep it at rec for a stable groomer slayer.


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[jdadour]

Yeah, reviews of the 188 sound great but that -10 mount and 188 length is prob gonna be too much ski out front for me.

I’m 5’8, 160lbs and click best with skis in the 180-184 range unless it’s a pure pow ski with lots o rocker

I’ll punch 50+ mph on my 184 WCs and they don’t feel too short so thinking 182 commanders should be good opened up too (unless that tip rocker is deeper than it looks in pics)

Don't be scared to try a longer ski. Once you adapt to the length and learn how to ski them, there are so many benefits with the added length.

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[skuff]

.... ~”I just had em put the CB graphics on a WC....”

Hey! That's what I was thinking about doing when my OG bibby need replacing

[iriponsnow]

Hey! That's what I was thinking about doing when my OG bibby need replacing

I have the OG Bibby topsheet on a DW- so worth it


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[MegaStoke]

Any word to share on when we may see a 2022 lineup preview? Seeing some other brands come out has me getting pumped.

Moment typically releases their next season ski previews mid-late summer.

[skuff]

I have the OG Bibby topsheet on a DW- so worth it


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I saw the photo you posted of those skis, so sexy. That photo may have started my CB on the Bibby thought

[Melee]

Moment typically releases their next season ski previews mid-late summer.

Same deal as last year. New line will be released 8/1/21 when the new site goes live.

[iriponsnow]

I saw the photo you posted of those skis, so sexy. That photo may have started my CB on the Bibby thought

Happy to help! Again, so so worth it. Talk to Jake.