Art Needed for Snowboard Graphics

[Lane Meyer]

Hey all, a friend of mine at Glissade snowboards is looking for art to go on a limited edition board in their 2006 product line. They're only making 5-20 boards of each graphic and there will be multiple graphics on each line.

His email is chris_morast AT glissadesnowboards DOT com

If you or anyone you know has any art of any sort that might make a cool topsheet, get in touch with Chris. He mentioned the possibility of the successful artist receiving AT LEAST a free board in exchange for their submission.

Thanks!

edit - is that better? Seems to more reflect my original conversation with Chris, after seeinge the adverse reaction here to what I initially typed.

[Baconzoo]

My buddy from Buffalo who now lives where I grew up in Cali does board graphics. He's done some classics... Lane you can pass him along if you like.
http://www.artbyblair.com/

[mtbakerskier]

Ussing tactics like this to get free art so they can sell more boards is really FUCKING LAME. If the art is good enough to be a board graphic the artist should get paid.

[Lane Meyer]

Hey Grant -

Who say's they're not? I didn't write it because I don't know. Chris only mentioned a trade in his first email, which is a totally legitimate offer, in my opinion, trading art for a $400 board with low production. If it was Burton selling 10,000 of them, then it would be a different story.


Grant

edited to not be so nasty...

[iceman]

Hot Grant-on-Grant action!

[jibij]

That old dude cracks me up sometimes.

[Lane Meyer]

Don;t get me wrong, I fully acknowledge and respect GGs point. As a fellow lens jockey, nothing sucks more than companies using your artistic product for no or inadequate compensation. If GG knew me or Chris, or anyone at Glissade, he might realize they are a small, boutique snowboard co in SF merely trying to broaden their artistic base for future production. I don;t work there, so I can;t speak for the $ (or trade) they wil loffer, I just got an email from my friend asking me if I knew any artists.

As an artist, I'd be stoked to have a company take interest in my work, THEN I'd start to ask and talk $$.

Which I think is very un-"FUCKING LAME," as GG suggested above.

[warthog]

My buddy from Buffalo who now lives where I grew up in Cali does board graphics. He's done some classics... Lane you can pass him along if you like.
http://www.artbyblair.com/

I think Blair has exceeded his free snowboard quotiant by now. Tell him Shane Charlebois' old college roomie says hi, next time you talk to him.

[BakerBoy]

As an artist, I'd be stoked to have a company take interest in my work, THEN I'd start to ask and talk $$.

I guess there are two ways to think of things. Some artists give some of their early stuff away for less than it is worth, to get their name out there, but others refuse to compromise and hold their ideals that their work was worth a certain amount of money. Both routes have led to success within people i know on a professional level. I guess it depends on how desperate one is, and how much play they think a VERY limited run of boards will get them.

Glissade is sweet though -- they were giving away (women's) thongs at SIA that said "Rub for Luck" on the front. That's worth huge to me.

edit: Oh yeah, the way it was phrased, "maybe we can talk about a free board", is fucked. Regardless of that's how the message was supposed to be, that's how you typed it, and that sucks.

[gonzo]

economics anyone?

[Lane Meyer]

edit: Oh yeah, the way it was phrased, "maybe we can talk about a free board", is fucked. Regardless of that's how the message was supposed to be, that's how you typed it, and that sucks.

I edited the original post to more accurately reflect the original my first convo with Chris.

All I meant to do here by posting this thread in the first place was to do a favor for a friend by broadening his search for artists while simultaneously offering exposure and an entry into the industry (at the very least, at the most, some sort of trade or payment, of which I have no specific idea or control) for anyone with artistic talent. Also, it's worth nothing that I don't prefess to know very much about these things/the industry, since I'm not as much of a professional artist as I am a geologist. GG is a (semi?)professional artist, and as stated above, I see his point.

Are the two of you guys usually this agro and pissed off in the summertime?

edit - this thread gave me an idea for a further discussion about art/freelance work that I'd like your guys' opinion on, so check it: http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32516

[mtbakerskier]

I didnt think I was being agro, I was just stating my opinion on how it pisses me off when companies try to get free art via the tatics that your post was origginally worded like. The wehre a small company is a bull shit excuse to not pay for art. I know what the margins are like in producing skis / boards and there is abosolutely no reason to not pay for good / services, especially if they are going to sell more boards.

[gonzo]

So what if the art was really shitty? Should the ski company still have to pay cash for it? Do you want like a $100 minimum price tag on all art, no matter what the quality?

We're not in Russia, are we Danny?

[1080Rider]

Speaking for the collective, we'll sell him the exclusive rights to put the angry whelk on a board for $1,355,000. Tell him to take it now because the price will only go up from here.

[mtbakerskier]

So what if the art was really shitty? Should the ski company still have to pay cash for it? Do you want like a $100 minimum price tag on all art, no matter what the quality?

We're not in Russia, are we Danny?

I think that I answered this in my first post, If its good enough to be used, the artist / photog should be PAID!

Do you wake up in the morning and decide that you will go to work for free? Then why should a photog?

[lemon boy]

cause they like it.

If you want to be a professional: charge for your work
If you want to enjoy something: do whatever

[gonzo]

I think that I answered this in my first post, If its good enough to be used, the artist / photog should be PAID!

Do you wake up in the morning and decide that you will go to work for free? Then why should a photog?

If I get up in the morning and work at something that people, for whatever the reason, are not going pay for, I won't expect to get any money for whatever I am doing.

I think your stuff rocks man and I hope you keep doing it and I see the argument you are making, but too much supply + not enough demand + people who can't understand quality = good photogs not getting $ for good stuff.

[mtbakerskier]

[QUOTE=gonzo]If I get up in the morning and work at something that people, for whatever the reason, are not going pay for, I won't expect to get any money for whatever I am doing.

QUOTE]


This is the problem!

People need to understand that they shouldnt give here work away for free. Only a FUCKING IDIOT WOULD NOT GET PAID FOR WORK!

This thread just goes to show how bad this problem really is. The same people that think photos should be given away for free re also the same ones that are most likely to infringe upon the copyrights of others. Copyright infringement is no different than straight out theft.

Do any of you actually realise what goes into creating the images that you see in print, or the artichesl that you read in your favorite mag, or the artwork on your skis / boards? There is a reason that Every freelancing profesional that has responded to this thread has stated you should always get paid for your work, we have been around this industry long enogh to know that giving your work away for free is a VERY BAD idea that not only hurts your self but others in the long run.

Am I worried about making a significant income from photography? No, becasue I know that I have the skills to consistantly produce the quality of shots that an amerature cant. But I get very pissed off when an incompetant hack decides that it is ok to de-value my work.

[bklyn]

If you want to be a professional: charge for your work
If you want to enjoy something: do whatever

Oh lemon. Don't let the man brainwash you this way.
All those super succesful types enjoy what they do.

You think Palmer doesn't like getting up to play golf?

[lemon boy]

should've read: If you just want to enjoy something: do whatever.

I'm not brainwashed, I'm braindead.

[robokill1981]

My buddy who does graphic design for an architecture firm was pretty stoked about doing this because he wants to get into the snowboard industry and this could really help him. I'll tell him to PM all freelancers and apologize for devaluing their work.

[meatdrink9]

I'll tell him to PM all freelancers and apologize for devaluing their work.

Ha. I know you're being very serious and passionate about this and that's why I'll say to you...make sure he empties his sent box or otherwise he might have some PMs bounce.

[robokill1981]

Ha. I know you're being very serious and passionate about this and that's why I'll say to you...make sure he empties his sent box or otherwise he might have some PMs bounce.

[Canuk]

You think Palmer doesn't like getting up to play golf?

Shaun Palmer plays golf?