Gear rumors 19/20

**kid-kapow** · 01-03-2019, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by XavierD

The main concern I see is Amer’s patent lawyers vs BAM’s patent lawyers.

I would be surprised if that was the case - how the two systems function is pretty different imo.

Having not read patent it would pretty much need to be so broad as to encompass all fully alpine bindings also using tech fittings to tour - regardless of how they function. That is probably not the case.

Also, since Daniel Solman / Salomon SAS's patent is from late 2015 and BAM not only started their development prior to that, but also marketed the product prior to that, I would imagine BAM being able to claim prior art and get permission to use the patent (if they infringe on it) without paying any royalties (in essence not being able to license it to other users). That should be the case regardless of when Solly started their development if my understanding of the law is correct (it might not be).

I think the legal precedent for this is pretty clear if my understanding of the glorious litigation between Trek Bicycles and Dave Weagle over the Split Pivot/Active Braking Pivot is correct. Sure Amer could try to bury BAM through legal fees from defending their potential right to proceed to the market place, or the patent might not even be infringed. Who knows.

Any patent layers in the house wanting to chime in?

**NorCalNomad** · 01-03-2019, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by abp

I’m curious as to why more brands (including scarpa actually) haven’t turned to the Alien RS style closure for their lighter general touring boots. That system is light, modular, simple, and skis really damn well for what it is. With a beefier cord and catch it seems like you could make a 1000-1300g boot that tours really well and punches above its weight, all while not having to resort to fucking snowboard buckles to shave grams

I'm trying to figure out what hardware I need/ want to use, but you can basically do this on the Atomic Backland Carbon and get it really close to 1000g flat if not under (with a heavier than stock liner).

**noslow** · 01-03-2019, 08:33 PM

Was a re-post on Newschoolers today-Moment Commander 118

**MCskid** · 01-03-2019, 09:41 PM

Looks like one hell of a burly boot for 1300 g's. Didn't everyone on here rave about skiing their Vulcan's without the tongue?

**ccl** · 01-03-2019, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by NorCalNomad

I'm trying to figure out what hardware I need/ want to use, but you can basically do this on the Atomic Backland Carbon and get it really close to 1000g flat if not under (with a heavier than stock liner).

Rumor has it this might be in the works for the 2019-20 Backland. Boa closure, no tongue. Looking forward to seeing pics.

**reckless toboggan** · 01-04-2019, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by ccl

Rumor has it this might be in the works for the 2019-20 Backland. Boa closure, no tongue. Looking forward to seeing pics.

Thanks for the heads up.

If true, it gives me another reason to be very happy I got this year's Backland Carbon.

**NorCalNomad** · 01-04-2019, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by ccl

Rumor has it this might be in the works for the 2019-20 Backland. Boa closure, no tongue. Looking forward to seeing pics.

Would be interesting to see how they make it ski well without the tongue. + even working with BOA in a professional context I still am a bit apprehensive about having them on my boots (shoes I'm fine)

But BOA for the backland ultimate would be rad.

**stuntmanbo** · 01-04-2019, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by poocher

Mantra-family

five new models: Mantra 102, Secret 102, Kendo 92, Kendo 88 and Kenja 88
several of the models has something called 3D radius sidecut, a combination of three different turningradiuses
Mantra 102: 2035 g

Maybe they could make a full rocker Mantra 112. Oh wait.

**buenonda** · 01-04-2019, 07:40 AM

and a dalbello wrap liner ? :-)

**Rob Stokes** · 01-04-2019, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by MCskid

Looks like one hell of a burly boot for 1300 g's. Didn't everyone on here rave about skiing their Vulcan's without the tongue?

Yes but the Vulcan gets its stiffness from the spine of the boot. The walk mode is effectively a peg in a hole that limits both forward and rearward travel. The Dalbello system is just a latch that blocks rearward travel and the forward flex support came mostly from the tongue.

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**margotron** · 01-04-2019, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

If you remove the cabrio tongue and have all the forward flex stiffness come off the spine, then you end up with that fabric front Dalbello. How it feels when flexing though... Who knows.

There's stiff flexing, and then there's just stiff without flex (brick wall).

Originally Posted by rob stokes

Yes but the Vulcan gets its stiffness from the spine of the boot. The walk mode is effectively a peg in a hole that limits both forward and rearward travel. The Dalbello system is just a latch that blocks rearward travel and the forward flex support came mostly from the tongue.

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Without the tongue, it wont ski like it has a tongue. I want a tongue. My hope is that it is pictured in walk mode.

What is the _deal_ with snowboard buckles invading? I hate that plastic shit. Are they insanely easy to use or what? To me they are more finicky, not less.

**burrito** · 01-04-2019, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by margotron

What is the _deal_ with snowboard buckles invading? I hate that plastic shit. Are they insanely easy to use or what? To me they are more finicky, not less.

I'm also always wary of ratchet buckles. They're cheap, light, and companies can fool themselves into thinking people like the adjustment range, but eventually something will wear out and break. I guess it's less of a problem on ski boots than snowboard bindings as you're only ratcheting them once or twice a day, but there are plenty of ways to lighten up traditional buckles and buckle/cable systems that are far more durable than 99% crap-plastic ratchet buckles.

**Abol98** · 01-04-2019, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by noslow

Was a re-post on Newschoolers today-Moment Commander 118

Not for nothing but uh... Where did the TGR Moment thread go? I've got a hole in my quiver and was using that thread to lose sleep.

**grinch** · 01-04-2019, 05:08 PM

I’d like to see a closer pic of tgat dalbello ski/tour lever. Maybe it has a knotch to stop it from flexing forward. Still hard to imagine it skiing as a 130 flex without a tongue at 1300g. I ski my Vulcan most times without a tongue but is neither 1300g or 130flex. On the hill or touring off the hill I have my tongues. Interested in that dalbello though if it skis like my lupo c ti. Great boot

**Melee** · 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Abol98

Not for nothing but uh... Where did the TGR Moment thread go? I've got a hole in my quiver and was using that thread to lose sleep.

I was just looking for that thread. Did it get deleted by whoever started it?

**kid-kapow** · 01-04-2019, 06:12 PM

I think you need to what PowTron did and start your own thread, regardless of whether the original one pops up again - that way you can control its fate and discourse a bit. At least that way it does not inadvertedly get deleted or some such.

I think most mags enjoy these threads alot due to their wealth of knowledge - I know I do.

**NS05672** · 01-04-2019, 06:13 PM

Just talked to a rep. No tongue on the new Lupo Air, seems like the walkmode is like the Vulcan. There’s gonna be a 130 and 110 Air, new Lupo that’s made with more traditional plastics for the less weight conscious with more durability.

**jdadour** · 01-04-2019, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Melee

I was just looking for that thread. Did it get deleted by whoever started it?

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**jdadour** · 01-04-2019, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by NS05672

Just talked to a rep. No tongue on the new Lupo Air, seems like the walkmode is like the Vulcan. There’s gonna be a 130 and 110 Air, new Lupo that’s made with more traditional plastics for the less weight conscious with more durability.

So in addition to the Lupo Air, is there still going to be original Lupo?

**robnow** · 01-04-2019, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by jdadour

So in addition to the Lupo Air, is there still going to be original Lupo?

Obviously there are too many pros skiing the original Lupos to get rid of them.

**margotron** · 01-04-2019, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by robnow

Obviously there are too many pros skiing the original Lupos to get rid of them.

Guessing pros will continue to ski the lupo and ignore the Air

**grinch** · 01-04-2019, 07:39 PM

At 1300g that’d be my daily touring boot in place of my vulcans . Lupo c ti would stay as hill/slack

**nyskirat** · 01-04-2019, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by NS05672

Just talked to a rep. No tongue on the new Lupo Air, seems like the walkmode is like the Vulcan. There’s gonna be a 130 and 110 Air, new Lupo that’s made with more traditional plastics for the less weight conscious with more durability.

So are we going to see no more carbon model?