The 300g Touring Binding Thread

[Cocximus]

My Trab Vario 2 heels are developing quite a bit of slack between the tower and the rail. They are perfectly flat mounted. Bummer, I had a feeling I should have installed the ATK universal spacer. Does anyone else have the same problem?

[CaliBrit]

I did not mean to create any confusion, but needed to keep things vague. It's basically a Kuluar, on the RO1 track, with two heel risers instead of one. Not a cam heel (which is a bummer) and I am not sure if it is in the catalog or not.

Seems like the haute route plus has more to offer than this?

[whatsupdoc]

Anyone had a chance to try the new Salomon MTN / Atomic Backland summit? Toe piece is plastic, heel has 8mm of elasticity and they kept the same hole pattern. Heel risers look different, so hopefully improved?

Bump. Anyone have any experience with the new Salomon/Atomic Backland Summit?

[LeeLau]

Bump. Anyone have any experience with the new Salomon/Atomic Backland Summit?

Just saw this. I've skied them for a season ie approx 20 days. They're good in the sense that they work and I barely notice them. Anything in particular you and sklimber both want to know?

[whatsupdoc]

Thanks LeeLau. I love my MTNs with the distinct exception of the risers loosening with time. Also to a lesser degree some mild slop between the heel piece and the track. Otherwise they’re simple, reliable, pretty light, and they have excellent toe piece retention. No prereleases.

And edited to add I’m a big fan of the Plum ski crampons.

Any issues with the floppy risers? Any durability concerns yet? Prereleases with the new composite toe?


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[LeeLau]

And edited to add I’m a big fan of the Plum ski crampons.

Any issues with the floppy risers? Any durability concerns yet? Prereleases with the new composite toe?

Toe looks fine. I checked them and rest of binding before sticking summer wax on the skis. Scratches from use but otherwise good

No floppy risers!

Nope on pre releases.

Really hard to say more. They're kind of reliably boring if you know what I mean?

[rod9301]

Every year i check the toe spring strength.

Boot in, ski in vise with boot horizontal and i and weights till the arms open.

I tried a set because the springs weakened

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[rod9301]

Every year i check the toe spring strength.

Boot in, ski in vise with boot horizontal and i and weights till the arms open.

I tried a set because the springs weakened

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I retired a set, not tried it

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[whatsupdoc]

Toe looks fine. I checked them and rest of binding before sticking summer wax on the skis. Scratches from use but otherwise good

No floppy risers!

Nope on pre releases.

Really hard to say more. They're kind of reliably boring if you know what I mean?

Reliably boring sounds like a good thing. Thanks.


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[NWFlow]

Part of me wonders if that's what, along with a host of other more sinister evils, late stage capitalism has delivered. I mean, Christ, who would have thought marker would also offer a boring, reliable binding.

[LeeLau]

Part of me wonders if that's what, along with a host of other more sinister evils, late stage capitalism has delivered. I mean, Christ, who would have thought marker would also offer a boring, reliable binding.

Fwiw. I've also got the Alpinist. It too is reliably boring. Ditto the Xenic. And for heavier a Shift and Tecton.

Nothing to report on the 300g bindings fronts. Although as a certified gearwhore am intrigued by ATK

[Island Bay]

Wtf are these? Radical toes and some mystery heels

[Va Ki Bo]

Wtf are these? ...

Hoji heels with hoji holes

[skis_the_trees]

Wtf are these? Radical toes and some mystery heels

Looks like newer aluminum Radical toes, a stomp pad made from new Radical brakes, and an old Low-Tech heel without a high riser. The heels are a very simple reliable design if a bit heavy by todays standards.

Isn’t Hoji buddies with Fritz Barthel? Maybe he got them direct from Fritz.

https://wildsnow.com/backcountry-ski...d-gen-binding/




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[Island Bay]

Bingo! I have learnt something this morning.

Thank you sts

[altacoup]

I wish every touring binding on the market came without high risers. Might help people from setting stupid skin tracks.

[rod9301]

Sometimes you need them

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[Island Bay]

I wish every touring binding on the market came without high risers. Might help people from setting stupid skin tracks.

Yep!

[hick]

^^Bravo!! Good sleuthing!!


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[altacoup]

Seriously. Hoji spends most of his time touring. He obviously doesn’t see the need for a high riser because from experience he knows how to set a proper skin track. If you watch videos of him skinning he is usually in flat mode. Skin tracks set in flat mode are reusable, where as tracks set in the high setting get slippery with a bunch of traffic. Plus you’re actually faster in a flatter track. Living in the wasatch I’m so sick of the stupid tracks set here. It’s only gotten worse with the proliferation of skimo dorks tracking their tours on strava. I wish Hoji would be more vocal about seeing proper tracks as I feel like people might listen to him.

[Island Bay]

I'm sure he'd have a thing or two to say about skin tracks.

I found that Blister interview really interesting because Hoji is such an intense thinker and character - and obviously back it all up with outstanding skiing.

[Island Bay]

Btw, what is the modern day version of that Dynafit Low Tech heel? Something that keeps going and won't break.

[Sklimber]

Btw, what is the modern day version of that Dynafit Low Tech heel? Something that keeps going and won't break.

Dynafit Speed Turn
Plum Guide

[Sklimber]

Sometimes you need them

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In general I'm not a high riser user, but I use them when skinning in deep, dense snow. It helps keep your tips up and reduces the snow build up on your skis.

[Blaster]

Skin tracks set in flat mode are reusable, where as tracks set in the high setting get slippery with a bunch of traffic. Plus you’re actually faster in a flatter track. Living in the wasatch I’m so sick of the stupid tracks set here. It’s only gotten worse with the proliferation of skimo dorks tracking their tours on strava. I wish Hoji would be more vocal about seeing proper tracks as I feel like people might listen to him.

On the other hand if everywhere had a perfect skin track or everyone in the backcountry was super dialed, things would get skied out much faster and finding untracked stashes would be harder. One of my favorite aspects of touring is how much it rewards experience and technique.