2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

[grinch]

Does anyone have a gpo and an rx ? I like my gpo's at -1 and im wondering where i should mount my , new to me, rx'

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[grinch]

Does anyone have a gpo and an rx ? I like my gpo's at -1 and im wondering where i should mount my , new to me, rx'

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Praxis rx

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[0g]

Go on the line and ski fast!

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[meter-man]

Does anyone have a gpo and an rx ? I like my gpo's at -1 and im wondering where i should mount my , new to me, rx'

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You got the EP8 in those RXs??

[east or bust]

I’m on the line and like them there. If I had another pair to dick around with I’d try them at -0.5 just to experiment.

[SorryBro]

Praxis RX> For me, I was mounted on the line and didn't love them (hence why I sold them). On the dot, they require a very center balanced skiing style to perform well, which didn't mesh well with me. I like to drive the tip of the ski a bit more than they wanted. If you are used to skiing centered, on the dot is probably perfect.

[grinch]

Go on the line and ski fast!

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Might take too long to get thru this data. Gd technicians

You got the EP8 in those RXs??

Not enough nm's bro. These'll need a lift

I’m on the line and like them there. If I had another pair to dick around with I’d try them at -0.5 just to experiment.

Interesting

Praxis RX> For me, I was mounted on the line and didn't love them (hence why I sold them). On the dot, they require a very center balanced skiing style to perform well, which didn't mesh well with me. I like to drive the tip of the ski a bit more than they wanted. If you are used to skiing centered, on the dot is probably perfect.

Sounding like my traditional -1 on most non touring praxis

Thanks all. Gpo/rx owners?

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[0g]

Slightly redacted Email from Keith on this subject..

"For mount point, I see our mark as the center of a 4 cm range for the mount point. Some might go 2 cm forward, some might go 1-2 cm back because they aint skiing fast enough to keep the tips up! haha. I personally mount 1 cm forward of the line on the GPO. Its all preference and the type of skis you are used to and the type of skiing you do. For example on my groomer days I'm riding around on a twin tip park ski, others might be carving around on a race ski that is mounted way back. So if you are accustomed to a race style mount going back makes sense, if you throw off axis spins and backflips and play in the terrain park you probably are going to want to be forward. The line to me is the compromise of what could be a good place to mount the skis. Myself and most of the team riders go forward of the line, people who think tip dive happens because of mount point go back... those same people probably drive 55 in the passing lane on the interstate and bitch because people are tailgating them... enjoy the skis! "



Also just want to say that I'm absolutely in love with my HH + Carbon Veneer MVP's

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[grinch]

Slightly redacted Email from Keith on this subject..

"For mount point, I see our mark as the center of a 4 cm range for the mount point. Some might go 2 cm forward, some might go 1-2 cm back because they aint skiing fast enough to keep the tips up! haha. I personally mount 1 cm forward of the line on the GPO. Its all preference and the type of skis you are used to and the type of skiing you do. For example on my groomer days I'm riding around on a twin tip park ski, others might be carving around on a race ski that is mounted way back. So if you are accustomed to a race style mount going back makes sense, if you throw off axis spins and backflips and play in the terrain park you probably are going to want to be forward. The line to me is the compromise of what could be a good place to mount the skis. Myself and most of the team riders go forward of the line, people who think tip dive happens because of mount point go back... those same people probably drive 55 in the passing lane on the interstate and bitch because people are tailgating them... enjoy the skis! "



Also just want to say that I'm absolutely in love with my HH + Carbon Veneer MVP's

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Thanks. That really helps. Ski semi fast but never switch and never park. Im old. No race skis on groomers. I like twin 100mm waist skis on no new snow days but the ski needs a bit of stiffness. Trying to avoid tip dive at all speeds at the same point not being so far back that the tail disappears. I tried my caylor 120's(quite a forward recommended mount point) back -1.5 and the tail just disappeared. I really have to stay forward on those and cant use the tail. Hate them there and ill be mounting those at recommended.A lot less rocker on the rx than caylors though. I figured i have a hybrid stance. I like to drive the tips but also like to stand centered and pivot too. Age may skew my take on it. Sounds like -1 will be it.
Also, pull your pants up sonny!!!

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[N1CK.]

I have GPO mounted -1 and love them there
I have skinny RX which I "think" are on the line and love them there too.

edit: they're on the line.

[grinch]

I have GPO mounted -1 and love them there
I have skinny RX which I "think" are on the line and love them there too.

Ohhhhhh, thanks Nick. Now i dont know.........

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[N1CK.]

Ohhhhhh, thanks Nick. Now i dont know.........

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I've never been accused of helping.

[grinch]

I've never been accused of helping.

Haaa , my ty was equally sarcastic as it was actually thankful. Appreciate the opinion

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[Quandary]

Hilarious as I received this in an email from Keith 2 or 3 days ago

"Great to hear on the skis. The 9D8 has some room in the design to move back from our mount point for sure. If you are used to skis mounted back more and prefer that I'd go 2 cm back from our mark. The way I see it our mark is the middle of the ideal mount zone that has about a 4cm range, so going 2 cm forward or back of that mark to better fit the skier preference and style is not a problem."

[eskido]

Well, I guess I’ll add my 2 cents, not sure that it’ll be very helpful or not but that’s what we do on the interwebz right? As I’ve said before, my GPO’s are setup as a touring rig set back -2, I have zero issue there and feel like it works great for the intended use. I’ve also said if I was to do it again I’d go -1 for touring and on the line for resort on that ski so there’s that. I have some Praxis a little behind the line but have grown very fond of Keith’s recommended and pretty much always mount there anymore. I don’t own the RX but spent some time on a buddy’s pair on the line and my feelings were that I had plenty of shovel to lean on, and it didn’t feel progressively forward to me. The GPO would certainly feel more progressive on the line. I personally would’ve liked the RX more mounted at +1, I didn’t mind it on the line but as my preferences go I would mount forward so I would be surprised if you weren’t happy on the line.

[grinch]

Good data point. Its strange that recomended on the rx is 1.5 ahead of recommended on the my gpo. The rx is 4 cm in front of recommended on my bg's and steeple 108. More and more im thinking -1. Shovel is a floater and it has a bit of a pintail. That would put them at about the same as gpo recommended. Didnt like the gpo there but i think the rx dimensions say more float in the tips

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[galibier_numero_un]

Good data point. Its strange that recomended on the rx is 1.5 ahead of recommended on the my gpo. The rx is 4 cm in front of recommended on my bg's and steeple 108. More and more im thinking -1. Shovel is a floater and it has a bit of a pintail. That would put them at about the same as gpo recommended. Didnt like the gpo there but i think the rx dimensions say more float in the tips

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I haven't kept track of whether the line on the RXs moved through the years. The current line (from the website) is at -8.

My notes for my 5-ish year old GPOs show the line at the same point as what's currently on the Praxis website -7.

Another (relevant?) datapoint. Compared with my 179 Steeples, the my 182 GPOs are mounted about 1cm forward

... Thom

[grinch]

I haven't kept track of whether the line on the RXs moved through the years. The current line (from the website) is at -8.

My notes for my 5-ish year old GPOs show the line at the same point as what's currently on the Praxis website -7.

Another (relevant?) datapoint. Compared with my 179 Steeples, the my 182 GPOs are mounted about 1cm forward

... Thom

Thanks Thom. May have to take the tape measure out on this one. Maybe the dimple is misplaced

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[galibier_numero_un]

Thanks Thom. May have to take the tape measure out on this one. Maybe the dimple is misplaced

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And those Steeples are 102s, but you knew that ;-)

... Thom

[grinch]

And those Steeples are 102s, but you knew that ;-)

... Thom

Found some 108's last year. Ion demo binding on them

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[galibier_numero_un]

Found some 108's last year. Ion demo binding on them

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Together ... building a small piece of the ON3P museum ;-)

[grinch]

Together ... building a small piece of the ON3P museum ;-)

Bg , steeples and gpo are keepers forever. . I just want to try an rx. Neighbor really likes his. Going to put a cast set up on them.
Weird weights
182 gpo ul 1900/1910 grams
179 steeple 108 1970/1950g
174 steeple 102 1930g
179 rx 2142/2139g
Can't remember the 179 bg weight. Not sure why the longer wider 108 doesnt pick up much weight over the 102's. 108 is a prototype

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[galibier_numero_un]

Bg , steeples and gpo are keepers forever. . I just want to try an rx. Neighbor really likes his. Going to put a cast set up on them.
Weird weights
182 gpo ul 1900/1910 grams
179 steeple 108 1970/1950g
174 steeple 102 1930g
179 rx 2142/2139g
Can't remember the 179 bg weight. Not sure why the longer wider 108 doesnt pick up much weight over the 102's. 108 is a prototype

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That's really interesting about your UL GPOs. My two pairs of 182s are only about about 120g heavier per ski. It somewhat quenches my thirst to try to hunt down a UL and call it good ('coz ... it's good ):

• 182 GPO #1: MAP/Carbon/Nylon/flex 4: 4035 for the pair (I don't have the individual weights).
• 182 GPO #2: Enduro/Veneer/#4: 4077 (2037/2040).
• 179 Steeple 102s: 4211 (2099/2112).

... Thom

[grinch]

That's really interesting about your UL GPOs. My two pairs of 182s are only about about 120g heavier per ski. It somewhat quenches my thirst to try to hunt down a UL and call it good ('coz ... it's good ):

• 182 GPO #1: MAP/Carbon/Nylon/flex 4: 4035 for the pair (I don't have the individual weights).
• 182 GPO #2: Enduro/Veneer/#4: 4077 (2037/2040).
• 179 Steeple 102s: 4211 (2099/2112).

... Thom

Yours are so close in weight that you might have to build up a UL pair with veneer to fit that UL segment weight in your line up/sorry $
Wow my little 174 102 steeple must have less carbon or something. Theyre the anomaly in all our skis weights it seems

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[galibier_numero_un]

Yours are so close in weight that you might have to build up a UL pair with veneer to fit that UL segment weight in your line up/sorry $
Wow my little 174 102 steeple must have less carbon or something. Theyre the anomaly in all our skis weights it seems

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Yup, you helped me make peace with not going after UL GPOs, unless I get the inspiration to see what a softer flex is like in BC snow. If that's the case, then all bets are off, and UL/Veneer ... here we come.

When I weighed those Steeples, I was quite taken aback. On an archived page on evo.com, the stated weight for the 179, 102 Steeples was in line with the weight of your skis.

2100g (+Vipecs) is a lot of weight for my sorry, fat ass to drag around, and when I finally get out this year, it may inspire me to put some uber light binders on them (worth about 400g per foot).

If I were to do that, then they'd have 26 unused holes on each ski, but who's counting (@splat would be proud of me).

I'll likely keep them as is, for short tours in difficult (but not deep) snow. They might be a good travel ski as well (in combination with my GPOs, etc.).



... Thom