Electric Bike Thread

[joetron]

The tgr forums have also taught me that 26" wheels will be making a comeback any second now.

I predict that, in the U.S., ebikes will be no more ubiquitous than fat bikes. I.e., a fad that is enjoyed by some but ultimately never gains the mainstream success that many predicted.

Fat bikes are excellent for the winter crowd, just like ebikes are excellent for the helmetless trust fund crowd.

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I’ve been jumping in and out of this reading this thread... I’m still about 340 posts behind (unleashed dog debate made for some quick skimming) but Toast has been spot-on with every single post so far.

I don’t have the time or emotional energy dig into this thread, but I’ll just go ahead and sum up my position: Fuck fucking e-mtbs trying to piggyback on years of trail advocacy, they are gonna fuck it all up. And fuck fucking e-bikes in multi-use non-motorized trail networks. They are fun, great. Go ride them on the booney trails that suck for normal pedaling. The moment I see some fucking entitled mouth breathing fuck e-pedaling up Spiro or CMG or any other generally accepted multi-use descending trail the heckling will be merciless. Also, I want one for commuting.


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[Name Redacted]

thats what you are suposed to do

not ride them on non motorized trails

What if it is a (non motorized I think) bike path that no one uses in the winter? I've seen plenty of e-bikes on it in the summer though. Don't think it is really enforced.

My wife would have a pretty awesome commute of 5 miles through a unused train track right of way. I can imagine burning in some berms with a e fat bike if we used it enough in the snow.

[Name Redacted]

If they don't allow e-bikes on the current trails, they could start building their own, which could of course still be used by non-motorized bikes. We could net a greater amount of trails. Also, the ebikes would make trail building and maintenance a little easier. Transporting tools and burning in trails would be a lot easier in remote areas.

[XXX-er]

yeah the sled heads can't figure out why we don't wana ski with them either

localy they have a Rokon to get the tools in for trail work ... why fuck around eh

[Dantheman]

I thought of that too, but couldn't you ditch the battery in the bushes and ride back home? Come back another day to retrieve it. Seems like a viable strategy, not that the guy who let the battery run out in the first place would be that smart though, or even physically able to ride without the assistance.

It would seem you answered your own question. Plus, assuming you started with a full battery, what are you going to use for the retrieval trip?

I also wonder how many of these clueless helmetless moped newbs know how to fix a flat tire, broken chain, replace a broken RD cable, etc.? Plenty of regular mountain bikers don't know how to do this stuff either, but there's a big difference between it happening to an inexperienced MTBer 3-5 miles out vs. an inexperienced Mopeder 15 miles out.

The moment I see some fucking entitled mouth breathing fuck e-pedaling up Spiro or CMG or any other generally accepted multi-use descending trail the heckling will be merciless.

Better have pre-recorded heckling queued up on a bluetooth speaker or you may lose your voice. Per Canada1 PC tourons are renting them in droves and ignoring the ubiquitous signage. Per muted two helmetless (one shirtless!) ebikers were trying to ride up the spine on Saturday.

[Name Redacted]

Why even act like you are going to pedal?

https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-mx-electric/



ETA:

For Off Road Use Only

Although people have been riding ebikes of this size for years without harassment from law enforcement, with over 5000 watts of power they are definitely not legal in 50 states in the public roads. We encourage everyone to respect the law and even when riding off road be respectful of other riders etc. This is a powerful ebike and with great power comes great responsibility.

[Name Redacted]

Plus, assuming you started with a full battery, what are you going to use for the retrieval trip?

Um, a spare battery? Your buddy's battery? Who knows, but it could solve the problem. I've had to push my old 35lb bike a few miles before and I survived. E-bikers are probably wearing better footwear for hiking than my sidi ballerina shoes

[Name Redacted]

Oh, I guess you can pretend to pedal:

[muted]

The moment I see some fucking entitled mouth breathing fuck e-pedaling up Spiro or CMG or any other generally accepted multi-use descending trail the heckling will be merciless. Also, I want one for commuting.

I saw one without a helmet going up Spiro in maybe May. He looked like a Harley rider with jeans and a bandana instead of a helmet. Also, I can't remember if I told you who I am on the board, i thought I did a long time ago, and at this point I'm confused. So anyways, good seeing you and N. at the top of Three Candles on Friday.

Per muted two helmetless (one shirtless!) ebikers were trying to ride up the spine on Saturday.

That was only two of four ebikers she saw on the crest that day.

[reckless toboggan]

Oh, I guess you can pretend to pedal:

THE EMOTOR IS NOT A MOTOR!!!!! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MTBS AND EBIKES!!!!!!! ZERO!!!!! ZIP!!!!!! NADA!!!!! JUST ADMIT IT!!!!

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[El Chupacabra]

THE EMOTOR IS NOT A MOTOR!!!!! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MTBS AND EBIKES!!!!!!! ZERO!!!!! ZIP!!!!!! NADA!!!!! JUST ADMIT IT!!!!

[emoji849]

Someone's getting e-motional

[rod9301]

I’ve been jumping in and out of this reading this thread... I’m still about 340 posts behind (unleashed dog debate made for some quick skimming) but Toast has been spot-on with every single post so far.

I don’t have the time or emotional energy dig into this thread, but I’ll just go ahead and sum up my position: Fuck fucking e-mtbs trying to piggyback on years of trail advocacy, they are gonna fuck it all up. And fuck fucking e-bikes in multi-use non-motorized trail networks. They are fun, great. Go ride them on the booney trails that suck for normal pedaling. The moment I see some fucking entitled mouth breathing fuck e-pedaling up Spiro or CMG or any other generally accepted multi-use descending trail the heckling will be merciless. Also, I want one for commuting.


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Settle down

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[grinch]

Someone's getting e-motional

Maybe he’s just getting all yelly to distract from that obtuse equivalency. Where teh supacaps lock at yo?

[El Kanone]

Yeah, you are so genuinely concerned about these people running out of battery power. You really care if they get a flat, sure. You so sincerely worry they might hit their heads. What a fucking joke.
Just admit you hate them because they are doing something different than you.

Yes trail access issues exist for bikes, ebikes will have zero impact on that because the people creating the issues all ready hate bikers, they will make no distinction between the two.

People hating on ebikes are exactly the same as hikers hating bikers, it is the exact same mentality.
Stop being a pussy coming up with a million excuses an just admit you are a hater.


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[Bunion 2020]

Yeah, you are so genuinely concerned about these people running out of battery power. You really care if they get a flat, sure. You so sincerely worry they might hit their heads. What a fucking joke.
Just admit you hate them because they are doing something different than you.

Yes trail access issues exist for bikes, ebikes will have zero impact on that because the people creating the issues all ready hate bikers, they will make no distinction between the two.

People hating on ebikes are exactly the same as hikers hating bikers, it is the exact same mentality.
Stop being a pussy coming up with a million excuses an just admit you are a hater.


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Leeeeeeeve Britney Alooooooooooooooooooooone!!!




Or maybe that was Taylor and you should just Shake it Off.

[grinch]

^^hater

[babybear]

I dont think it was the intention of this thread, but it's making me want to get a dirt bike again

[rideit]

Get an e-moto.

[californiagrown]

Get an e-moto.

The silent, swift braaap

[rideit]

I wish I were talented enough for an e-trials bike.

[grinch]

Ya one of each. Club builds lots of machine built enduro moto trails, moto track and there’s a group of devoted trials riders that have some place to go. Hard enough keeping the pedal bikes going let alone adding engines . That and I’m saving for an ostrich jacket

[jono]

That and I’m saving for an ostrich jacket

Does it really count if you have to save for it?

[klauss]

they're coming boys. can't wait to get out my leather chaps and provide some "diversity" at the trailhead

"Harley also plans to finally put into production the LiveWire electric motorcycle it’s been offering test rides on for the last few years, which will lead to a range of electrics that will include pedal-assist e-bikes."
https://www.outsideonline.com/233112...adventure-bike

[muted]

they're coming boys. can't wait to get out my leather chaps and provide some "diversity" at the trailhead

"Harley also plans to finally put into production the LiveWire electric motorcycle it’s been offering test rides on for the last few years, which will lead to a range of electrics that will include pedal-assist e-bikes."
https://www.outsideonline.com/233112...adventure-bike

I would love a low BB chopper ebike that blows away all the spandex crowd on the uphill. I would have to by a pair of jorts to match though, and make motorcycle sounds when I pass anyone.

"Thhhhhhbbbbbbtttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vroooooom!!!!" "Uh, on yer left."

[grinch]

It's not so cut and dry even in other countries. Pedelecs (the EU term) are popular for commuting in a place where bike commuting is already popular but for recreation the usage is kind of like it is here: a lot of old folks puttering around. That actually helps ebike proponents in North America because if people were getting rawdy on ebikes then established users would push even harder to ban them on trails. It's also why all the snowboard vs skier comparisons in this thread are comical when so much of the ebike marketing is so similar to Viagra marketing.

Where the argument breaks down is the vast difference in trail access in North America compared with Europe. Here, trail decisions have almost always been made by the local community along with the local land managers. The reality is motorized off-road users have been consistently losing access for decades nearly in proportion with population growth.




In Europe, manufacturers are already pushing to change regulations so that they can exceed the 25 km/h – 0.25 kW limits.

Also in Europe, there's pending legislation requiring compulsory third party motor insurance for ebikes.

And Schwalbe has introduced moto-style eMTB tires with a wider rear tire, instead of a wider front, because it's not quite the same sport.

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Haha the first point is a blanket statement and while it might be true in some areas it isn’t true over all in Europe. Ebike sales have increased in all age groups and take up close to 50% of sales up from single digits only a year or two previous. Bike sales overall(e and reg) are up 11% due in large part to enike sales. Most ebikes sales are from an lbs as well , rather than online, as people want to have service for them. They go thru brake pads, tires and rims quicker with added weight and very. A lot of younger riders getting into mtb are choosing ebikes in England, France, Italy and other countries. A lot of trail systems they are now finding a close to even split. Trails are shared. If you follow the EWS on vitalmtb you’ll see the media squids preriding all the courses on ebikes. The courses are all across Europe and cover large sections of trails around towns(one 2day race they’re in/out of two countries). There is a lot of acceptance for ebikes in urp in comparison to NA. There’s still the haters that love to get their panties in a bunch but I’m not seeing any wide spread opposition in the countless recent vids from a wide range of channels. Ebike specific bike stores are spreading. The recent European bike show was also split close to 50/50 ebikes to regular bikes, where in the past all the reg bikes were front and Center of the displays with a token ebike at the back to show the companies tech and what they’re working on.
Also it remains to be seen how legislation gets decided and where it will have an impact. Communities and cyclists are invested in it and I can’t see an outright ban. Quite the opposite, I’ve been seeing mention of expanding trail systems and participation
I have seen those tires swalbe has. Pic was from the show. A lot of downhillers will be after them because they’re bike tires, that go on bike rims. They’re a little burliest for the extra 10ish lbs (a lot of downhillers are keen on that since we lost the old intense tires that were the same size and weight). They’re not as ramped to roll as fast but not much of a stretch from current dh tire options. My old intense wc 2.7 were probably heavier. It was impossible to bend them in half when they were new, before putting them on a rim. Zero flats with tubes at 18psi front and 19psi rear. Awesome for steep gnarly trails. The odd time I’d rip a valve stem I could ride down the mountain at 50-60% without air. Those swalbe’s probably will be wimpier
We’re seeing both more power and less power sustems. Longer bigger battery systems as well as smaller lighter battery systems. I’m more interested in the lighter system with less power and carry an extra battery. The fazua motor looks promising.
I’ve put up vids throughout this thread basically showing all my statements usually relating to other people’s posts that aren’t based on fact. Maybe you have some links or vids of these issues your putting forth. I’d be interested in checking them out unlike the haters in here that don’t want to see fact based info that may ruin their narrative